Catholic Sociopaths

[opusAquinas]

Your presumption that God doesn’t mind has been proven wrong. God commands that we must confess and convert our lives to stop sinning. Otherwise it is another sin in addition to whatever it is you wish to confess. God can read your heart.

I will make a presumption that you already have your mind made up about something, so what is your scheme in this thread?

I will also add to your original post about sociopaths. Lacking empathy does not equal sin. One can not have empathy, or understand the wrongness of an action emotionally and still not perform that action. A true Catholic sociopath, who follows the commandments of Jesus and does so out of an intellectual acceptance of Jesus would be somebody of true faith.

I want to know the truth.

Why does God allow so many schemers to get away with sins and others nonbelievers are condemned? Mercy and Justice.

So a really nice guy who is Jewish and does not accept Jesus is damned.

But a vial schemer does the nastiest things and runs to confession to get their sins forgiven is saved… Study it.

 

[JRKH]

There are many sociopaths. There are, I assume, Catholic sociopaths. My question is God knows there are Catholic sociopaths that cling to the confessional - it is their license to sin. So why does God permit this?

firstthings.com/article/2003/05/the-population-of-hell

I think hell is well populated but God permits some to sin to their hearts content?

God does not permit people to “sin to their heart’s content”.

“Clinging to the confessional” would indicate one of two things…

1. Sincere and repeated repentance stemming from a severe struggle to overcome tendencies and acts that the penitent knows are sinful faults…in which case God is merciful to he who struggles.
   Or—
2. Presumption that one can go through the motion that one can “go through the motions” of confession without sincere repentance - in which case God is just and will deal with such presumption in a just manner.

In either case, God is not permitting one to “sin to their heart’s content”.

Peace
James

 

[opusAquinas]

God does not permit people to “sin to their heart’s content”.

“Clinging to the confessional” would indicate one of two things…

1. Sincere and repeated repentance stemming from a severe struggle to overcome tendencies and acts that the penitent knows are sinful faults…in which case God is merciful to he who struggles.
   Or—
2. Presumption that one can go through the motion that one can “go through the motions” of confession without sincere repentance - in which case God is just and will deal with such presumption in a just manner.

In either case, God is not permitting one to “sin to their heart’s content”.

Peace
James

And yet they do. In a way, even Jacob was a schemer…

 

[St_Francis]

I want to know the truth.

Why does God allow so many schemers to get away with sins and others nonbelievers are condemned? Mercy and Justice.

So a really nice guy who is Jewish and does not accept Jesus is damned.

But a vial schemer does the nastiest things and runs to confession to get their sins forgiven is saved… Study it.

Say your boss suddenly walks in while you are on the phone and asks you rather abruptly if you have been on the ohone for a long time. Feeling slightly scared, you say no.

Now, you may have a habit of this sort of thing, and if you have a good confessor, he will talk to you about ways to change that habit, but it can be hard to change a habit, and tou may continue to sin.

However, this is different from sinning with presumption, which is when a person says, It’s ok if I commit some sins tonight; to orrow is Saturday and I’ll go to Confession and be ok. This sin is kind of thought through beforehand *and *with the idea that everything will be ok *because *the sinner plans to confess. And if the sinner does this week after week, well, he iis repeatedly committing the sin of presumption.

And if the sin is committed mortally, then the presumption could be mortal too. If the person were to deliberately leave out the fact that he is presuming, that would be a bad Confession: his sins would *not *be absolved, and he would then have to repeat all the Confessions since his last good one.

So not all those who confess the same sin over and over are doing the wrong thing, as long as the first person has the intention of avoiding sin at the time of Confession.

 

[opusAquinas]

Say your boss suddenly walks in while you are on the phone and asks you rather abruptly if you have been on the ohone for a long time. Feeling slightly scared, you say no.

Now, you may have a habit of this sort of thing, and if you have a good confessor, he will talk to you about ways to change that habit, but it can be hard to change a habit, and tou may continue to sin.

However, this is different from sinning with presumption, which is when a person says, It’s ok if I commit some sins tonight; to orrow is Saturday and I’ll go to Confession and be ok. This sin is kind of thought through beforehand *and *with the idea that everything will be ok *because *the sinner plans to confess. And if the sinner does this week after week, well, he iis repeatedly committing the sin of presumption.

And if the sin is committed mortally, then the presumption could be mortal too. If the person were to deliberately leave out the fact that he is presuming, that would be a bad Confession: his sins would *not *be absolved, and he would then have to repeat all the Confessions since his last good one.

So not all those who confess the same sin over and over are doing the wrong thing, as long as the first person has the intention of avoiding sin at the time of Confession.

Presuming people don’t presume generally?

 

[pianistclare]

Nobody can know who is damned and who is not.
We won’t know this until the end of time, and only if God wills it.
The whole premise is flawed, and frankly pointless.
If people are trying to “get something over” on God, they are fooling themselves.
True contrition and repentance is what we need worry about and seek.

 

[opusAquinas]

Nobody can know who is damned and who is not.
We won’t know this until the end of time, and only if God wills it.
The whole premise is flawed, and frankly pointless.
If people are trying to “get something over” on God, they are fooling themselves.
True contrition and repentance is what we need worry about and seek.

True contrition is almost impossible.

 

[sdegutis]

I’ve wondered the same thing, but in a different way, especially after watching that new BBC show “Sherlock”, where Sherlock Holmes claims to be “a high functioning sociapath” on a few occasions.

My conclusion so far is that if it’s not truly a physiological disorder, and therefore it’s within the patient’s ability to heal, then they’re held responsible by God in the same manner as people who have developed evil habits through repetition of evil behavior, which in itself is a complex topic. But if it truly is a condition of their brain beyond their making and beyond their healing, then only the healing power of God is able to cure it, and only if God’s will permits it to be cured in this lifetime (which He may not). And if God doesn’t cure it, and they keep on doing evil deeds, well… I’ve no idea how God handles this.

 

[sdegutis]

True contrition is almost impossible.

First of all I think you mean “perfect contrition”, which is repentance that’s principally motivated by the love of God. And I don’t think it’s “nearly impossible” as you say, for all things are possible unto God. Any kind of contrition is sufficient for a confession, and perfect contrition is the ideal we should strive for on a daily basis. So, imagine someone strives to have true contrition every day; surely God will not desert that person! Thus we shouldn’t focus on “is it possible or not” but rather “strive daily!” and just leave it in God’s hands.

 

[St_Francis]

Presuming people don’t presume generally?

I generally try to assume that people are doing the best they can and not worry any further. It’s really not my business–it’s between God and them

 

[pianistclare]

True contrition is almost impossible.

So I guess none of the saints were truly contrite?
You’re kidding, right?
I’m not going to hell on a “bad act of contrition rap”.
I pray the best way I can…God hears, grants absolution, shows mercy.
What’s so hard about that?
And if you really believe that others are not doing it right…

1. it’s not your business
2. pray for them
3. strive to be a good example.

 

[SyroMalankara]

True contrition is almost impossible.

Why would a schemer today care to go to Confession? Even better, scheme your way all the way into the episcopate so you can scheme the best – it happens. Not a majority, I hope.
As for non-believers, they can go into either category, just as everyone else. God may not condemn them as harshly as a schemer, or maybe he will, we’ll never know until we’ve schemed our final scheme.

 

[AussieTrish]

I see what I see…Why do many schemers use the confessional as a license to sin. Do you understand? God knows but doesn’t seem to mind.

What I do see from your threads and posts is that you seem focused on making assumptions about other people, and then judging them for the assumptions you have made, and you extend those assumptions to a significant number of people.

1 Corinthians 2:11
"For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God

My prayer is that you look to your own soul and your own attitudes, and pray for humility, pray that God finds a way to teach you not to make assumptions about other people’s intentions and state of grace.

 

[AussieTrish]

Say your boss suddenly walks in while you are on the phone and asks you rather abruptly if you have been on the ohone for a long time. Feeling slightly scared, you say no.

Now, you may have a habit of this sort of thing, and if you have a good confessor, he will talk to you about ways to change that habit, but it can be hard to change a habit, and tou may continue to sin.

However, this is different from sinning with presumption, which is when a person says, It’s ok if I commit some sins tonight; to orrow is Saturday and I’ll go to Confession and be ok. This sin is kind of thought through beforehand *and *with the idea that everything will be ok *because *the sinner plans to confess. And if the sinner does this week after week, well, he iis repeatedly committing the sin of presumption.

And if the sin is committed mortally, then the presumption could be mortal too. If the person were to deliberately leave out the fact that he is presuming, that would be a bad Confession: his sins would *not *be absolved, and he would then have to repeat all the Confessions since his last good one.

So not all those who confess the same sin over and over are doing the wrong thing, as long as the first person has the intention of avoiding sin at the time of Confession.

Yes.

 

[opusAquinas]

What I do see from your threads and posts is that you seem focused on making assumptions about other people, and then judging them for the assumptions you have made, and you extend those assumptions to a significant number of people.

1 Corinthians 2:11
"For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God

My prayer is that you look to your own soul and your own attitudes, and pray for humility, pray that God finds a way to teach you not to make assumptions about other people’s intentions and state of grace.

I see what I see and know what I know. The sky is blue and the grass is green.

If you have a husband how do you know he loves you?
How do you presume to know?
He buys you things and hugs and kisses you so you claim he loves you.
What if I gave you an alternative proposition?
He does not love you but only loves how you make him feel. He loves feeling loved.
According to you we can’t know other people’s minds.

 

[JRKH]

True contrition is almost impossible.

True contrition is entirely possible…Perfect contrition is another matter…

Peace
James

 

[pianistclare]

I see what I see and know what I know. The sky is blue and the grass is green.

If you have a husband how do you know he loves you?
How do you presume to know?
He buys you things and hugs and kisses you so you claim he loves you.
What if I gave you an alternative proposition?
He does not love you but only loves how you make him feel. He loves feeling loved.
According to you we can’t know other people’s minds.

If my husband loved me, and I believe him to be truthful, and we are happy, then it’s really none of your business.
How do YOU know everyone lies all the time. Do YOU lie all the time?
Are YOU dishonest in relationships?
Are YOU unhappy all the time?

Seriously, you need to hang out with better people.
Who has hurt you this badly that you give up on all of humanity?
Forgive them and move on.

Or are you just posting for fun? You find this fun, no?
Arguing and saying stuff to get people all riled up. …

 

[AussieTrish]

I see what I see and know what I know. The sky is blue and the grass is green.

If you have a husband how do you know he loves you?
How do you presume to know?
He buys you things and hugs and kisses you so you claim he loves you.
What if I gave you an alternative proposition?
He does not love you but only loves how you make him feel. He loves feeling loved.
According to you we can’t know other people’s minds.

Forgive me if I laugh about this one. My husband will too if I tell him.
I’ve been married for many decades to a good husband who isn’t greatly inclined to sentimental displays. He is a thinking rather than a feeling man. He is a practical man.
I know he loves me not because of hugs and kisses, not because of chocolates and flowers ( our resources are limited so we use them for practical things).
Your argument has no basis in point. His behaviour has been decency, loyalty, trust, courtesy and respect, regardless of difficulties… Your argument is laughably inappropriate for us. Our love for each other is strong, and shows itself in the decent and kind way we treat each other even after many decades of marriage. He will help me and others, not because he has a high feeling index. He doesn’t. He does so from the goodness in his spirit.
He’s not likely to say “I love you” show by pretty displays. He simply lives it.
Love is choices, not only emotional gestures.

**
According to the bible we don’t know other people’s spirits, and no one can get inside anyone else’s heads.
We only have our own framework of perception and assessment. This is why you, and all of us, shouldn’t be quick to judge others or to ascribe feelings and intentions to them**

 

[AussieTrish]

If my husband loved me, and I believe him to be truthful, and we are happy, then it’s really none of your business.
How do YOU know everyone lies all the time. Do YOU lie all the time?
Are YOU dishonest in relationships?
Are YOU unhappy all the time?

Seriously, you need to hang out with better people.
Who has hurt you this badly that you give up on all of humanity?
Forgive them and move on.

Or are you just posting for fun? You find this fun, no?
Arguing and saying stuff to get people all riled up. …

Clare I think he may be here because God wants to get through to him, to make him less judgmental.
I think God is giving us a chance to help.
It’s not working,
but the good thing is, we can all pray for him.
Perhaps that alone is God’s intent, that we pray for him, as he appears stuck in his position.

May God touch his mind and soul with humility, with respect for others, with understanding that he doesn’t know others inner spirits.
God grant that his personal focus becomes not to judge others but to love God above all and to love others with respect and good deeds, with humility and grace and without presumption and judgement.
Mary, Mother of our loving Saviour, please intercede for him, that he will be as Jesus desires.

 

[pianistclare]

Clare I think he may be here because God wants to get through to him, to make him less judgmental.
I think God is giving us a chance to help.
It’s not working,
but the good thing is, we can all pray for him.
Perhaps that alone is God’s intent, that we pray for him, as he appears stuck in his position.

May God touch his mind and soul with humility, with respect for others, with understanding that he doesn’t know others inner spirits.
God grant that his personal focus becomes not to judge others but to love God above all and to love others with respect and good deeds, with humility and grace and without presumption and judgement.

Well, he has a good start with you, Trish…you can by and are quite the good friend!
God bless him…