Catholic Teachers' Union Backs Diocese in Firing of Homosexual Teacher from Catholic School in Ohio

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The firing lesbian Carla Hale from her teaching position at a Catholic high school after it turned up that she was cohabiting with another lesbian set off a firestorm in the media. The grievance that Hale then lodged with her union in which she set hope for reinstatement in her job has been dropped by her union, which concluded she had violated her contract, which said she could be dismissed for immoral or seriously unethical behavior. The Diocese also welcomed the union’s decision, and said it acknowledges that those who lead in the Catholic school system should abide by the rules and policies of the diocese respecting the teachings of Christ and the tenets of the Catholic Church.
see www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-teachers-union-backs-diocese-in-firing-of-homosexual-teacher
 
Like they were going to disagree with the diocese. Not really “news” is it?
 
The firing lesbian Carla Hale from her teaching position at a Catholic high school after it turned up that she was cohabiting with another lesbian set off a firestorm in the media. The grievance that Hale then lodged with her union in which she set hope for reinstatement in her job has been dropped by her union, which concluded she had violated her contract, which said she could be dismissed for immoral or seriously unethical behavior. The Diocese also welcomed the union’s decision, and said it acknowledges that those who lead in the Catholic school system should abide by the rules and policies of the diocese respecting the teachings of Christ and the tenets of the Catholic Church.
see www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-teachers-union-backs-diocese-in-firing-of-homosexual-teacher
In a word, good. This teacher should be held to the provisions of her contract and should not be given special treatment because she is a Lesbian. I have no clue why it’s fine to breach a contract or break the law because you want to engage in homosexual relationships.🤷

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The firing lesbian Carla Hale from her teaching position at a Catholic high school after it turned up that she was cohabiting with another lesbian set off a firestorm in the media. The grievance that Hale then lodged with her union in which she set hope for reinstatement in her job has been dropped by her union, which concluded she had violated her contract, which said she could be dismissed for immoral or seriously unethical behavior. The Diocese also welcomed the union’s decision, and said it acknowledges that those who lead in the Catholic school system should abide by the rules and policies of the diocese respecting the teachings of Christ and the tenets of the Catholic Church.
see www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-teachers-union-backs-diocese-in-firing-of-homosexual-teacher
Good news.
 
It is news in the sense that it is a new development. But it’s not altogether surprising. She had a contract. She didn’t live up to it. Whatever people think of it, it was pretty clear cut how things would turn out.
 
I don’t know how they work. Could you give us an explanation please?
Unions typically look to protect their union members from unfair actions by their employers. The union does not represent the employer. The fact that the union is taking the side of the employer is actually a huge statement in favor of the diocese (and against the employee).
 
Unions typically look to protect their union members from unfair actions by their employers. The union does not represent the employer. The fact that the union is taking the side of the employer is actually a huge statement in favor of the diocese (and against the employee).
No kidding. There has been a great deal of information on how unions protect those who are incompetent or even abusive of children. School districts are often reluctant to fire or even fail to give a recommendation to poor teachers because of their fear of union action.
This isn’t just teacher’s unions of course. Most of us recall the group of auto workers who were filmed drinking and smoking dope on their lunch hour. They were originally terminated but the union had them reinstated apparently.

This does speak volumes that the union allowed the contract to be determinative.

Lisa
 
NeedsMercy,

Why do you feel the need to be sarcastic so often when you reply to a direct question? I presume that Lucky7 asked you the question sincerely, and you should have received it as such. Most likely, she did not want to tell you something which you already knew. Thus, she didn’t flesh out her answer until another poster did ask her directly because that poster did not know.

LisaA’s information is spot on. This is exactly how unions of any kind work in my State: The employee is “always right” no matter how wrong they in fact were. No matter what contracts the employee broke, even no matter what statutes and laws were violated. Unions have become strictly advocacy groups, and often aggressively so.

I share the surprise and relief of others here that the union backed the diocese. Very unusual. Maybe they’re trying to redeem their public image.
 
NeedsMercy,
LisaA’s information is spot on. This is exactly how unions of any kind work in my State: The employee is “always right” no matter how wrong they in fact were. No matter what contracts the employee broke, even no matter what statutes and laws were violated. Unions have become strictly advocacy groups, and often aggressively so.

I share the surprise and relief of others here that the union backed the diocese. Very unusual. Maybe they’re trying to redeem their public image.
I have already given my opinion of this matter in an earlier post.
Why do you feel the need to be sarcastic **so often ** when you reply to a direct question? I presume that Lucky7 asked you the question sincerely, and you should have received it as such. Most likely, she did not want to tell you something which you already knew. Thus, she didn’t flesh out her answer until another poster did ask her directly because that poster did not know.
Elizabeth502, if you have been following my posts on other threads—which I have inferred from your use of “so often”–and you wish to comment on my attitude, grammar, state of my soul, whatever, send me a PM. If Lucky7 has a problem with my post, let her send a PM to me. Or report me and/or my posts to the moderators. Have a great day! 🙂
 
I have already given my opinion of this matter in an earlier post.
Your opinion is not consistent with Catholic teaching as clearly evidenced by Mark O’Malley’s excellent post.
From the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (from back in 1992):
10. “Sexual orientation” does not constitute a quality comparable to race, ethnic background, etc. in respect to non-discrimination. Unlike these, homosexual orientation is an objective disorder (cf. Letter, no. 3) and evokes moral concern.

11. There are areas in which it is not unjust discrimination to take sexual orientation into account, for example, in the placement of children for adoption or foster care, in employment of teachers or athletic coaches, and in military recruitment.
  1. Homosexual persons, as human persons, have the same rights as all persons including the right of not being treated in a manner which offends their personal dignity (cf. no. 10). Among other rights, all persons have the right to work, to housing, etc. Nevertheless, these rights are not absolute. They can be legitimately limited for objectively disordered external conduct. This is sometimes not only licit but obligatory. This would obtain moreover not only in the case of culpable behavior but even in the case of actions of the physically or mentally ill. Thus it is accepted that the state may restrict the exercise of rights, for example, in the case of contagious or mentally ill persons, in order to protect the common good.
  2. Including “homosexual orientation” among the considerations on the basis of which it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead to regarding homosexuality as a positive source of human rights, for example, in respect to so-called affirmative action or preferential treatment in hiring practices. This is all the more deleterious since there is no right to homosexuality (cf. no. 10) which therefore should not form the basis for judicial claims. The passage from the recognition of homosexuality as a factor on which basis it is illegal to discriminate can easily lead, if not automatically, to the legislative protection and promotion of homosexuality. A person’s homosexuality would be invoked in opposition to alleged discrimination, and thus the exercise of rights would be defended precisely via the affirmation of the homosexual condition instead of in terms of a violation of basic human rights.
  3. The “sexual orientation” of a person is not comparable to race, sex, age, etc. also for another reason than that given above which warrants attention. An individual’s sexual orientation is generally not known to others unless he publicly identifies himself as having this orientation or unless some overt behavior manifests it. As a rule, the majority of homosexually oriented persons who seek to lead chaste lives do not publicize their sexual orientation. Hence the problem of discrimination in terms of employment, housing, etc., does not usually arise.
    Seems to me like the good Bishop was doing exactly what he should do.
Elizabeth502, if you have been following my posts on other threads—which I have inferred from your use of “so often”–and you wish to comment on my attitude, grammar, state of my soul, whatever, send me a PM. If Lucky7 has a problem with my post, let her send a PM to me. Or report me and/or my posts to the moderators. Have a great day! 🙂
So you make public snarky comments and then don’t have the guts to explain them publicly but instead say, Send me a PM. Considering that you presume to know more about Catholic teaching than the Bishop, I shouldn’t be surprised.
 
Your opinion is not consistent with Catholic teaching as clearly evidenced by Mark O’Malley’s excellent post.

So you make public snarky comments and then don’t have the guts to explain them publicly but instead say, Send me a PM. Considering that you presume to know more about Catholic teaching than the Bishop, I shouldn’t be surprised.
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(Private and hidden for the poster; public for the rest of us. ;))

For the record, regarding your question to Lucky7, no: I, for one, wouldn’t know that “there’s not much you don’t know.” Given your responses here and elsewhere, there’s not much credibility to that self-evaluation. 😉

The more important point is that in order to be taken seriously and respectfully in a discussion, it’s best to toss aside mysterious comments that on their face appear hostile to the readers, and instead engage intellectually with the debate.
 
Looks like I’ve been too busy in TC lately as I’m missing all the action in CN. 😉
 
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