Catholic Teaching and Immunization Policy

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Not the same thing. I was hoping to be taken seriously. Oh well. Same as usual.
 
I just wanted to mention that Autism Speaks is recognised as a hate foundation by the autism community.
 
It is the same thing. I didn’t say you weren’t taken seriously; you put words into my mouth and twisted what I did say. I could very easily be just as dismissive of your last comment.

I worked in pediatrics. None of this is unfamiliar ground to me.
 
You haven’t read it. My son’s Pediatrician did read it and found it worthwhile. You assume you know what’s in it. That is dismissive,
 
I am familiar with the theory. I have not read the book. Hardly dismissive. I have no need to spend the money on the book; if I saw it in a thrift store (which is where 99% of my books come from), perhaps now I would buy it.

You assume a lot, as far as I’m concerned.
 
Whitney said:
Thus upon entering daycare they have to either be up to date or you had to refuse them (where I live).
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That’s true, but then those are private and there are several choices regarding childcare. I would be all for dropping those requirements and allow the facilities to make their own choice. Perhaps the market might result in some options for childcare facilities where none of the children need vaccines. I would not mind, as long as this was made known so parents who did not want their children in that environment could choose elsewhere.

There is still the possibility of options that do not fall under the childcare facility guidelines, though some might be more expensive.
Whitney said:
Interestingly my archdiocese doesn’t allow any waivers, although the public schools allow, as I said all kinds of waiver. So even to attend a catholic preschool you must be up to date on vaccines without exception including the hepatitis B vaccine.
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I am not totally surprised. The Church has commented on the morality of vaccinations, the initial topic of this thread. Policies like this kind of give the answer.
 
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Well, both links are there. This would make a good exercise for someone wanting to practice on finding what is true between two contradictory internet sites. If I were guessing, I would say that something personal is going on that I do not know about.
 
Still, any idea about why the are accused of hate? I cannot find anything on their site like that, even if they do not speak for all autistic people. What organization has ever spoke for a group 100%?
 
I think the articles explain that. They have been known to be understanding of people murdering autistic children, advocate for prenatal scans in an effort to remove autism via eugenics, have almost no autistic people on their board and tell families that autism will ensure their child is doomed to a living hell.

They work mainly to remove autism from the world rather than help those with it.
 
Plus there are plenty of autism advocacy groups that don’t have this stigma and actually have many people with Autism involved.
 
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So, although I am all in on corporate malfeasance conspiracies, it’s a whole different kettle of fish to start including medical staff in the conspiracies.
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It’s a long thread, and I don’t blame people for not wanting to read its over 400 posts. So I’ll reiterate some points that I made upthread.

What gets criticized most often are conflicts of interest. Conflicts of interests are not conspiracy theories. They are an indisputably real facet of drug companies that likely include your former employer. Pharmaceutical companies have already been caught multiple times with their hands in the corporate malfeasance cookie jar, which doesn’t help the quest to build much-needed public trust in the vaccine program.

I also mentioned previously that any dictionary definition of “conspiracy” simple defines the word, in one paraphrased way or another, as an agreement between two or more people to commit an act that is wrong or illegal. No one can’t tell me with a straight face that such a thing never happens.

There’s nothing wrong with making money, provided it’s done ethically. Medicine is its own animal, however. I would like to see everything in medicine socialized; I don’t believe that human suffering should come with a profit motive attached to it. But that’s another day, another thread.
 
blackforest said:
There’s nothing wrong with making money, provided it’s done ethically. Medicine is its own animal, however. I would like to see everything in medicine socialized; I don’t believe that human suffering should come with a profit motive attached to it.
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Oh, don’t get me started on how socialized medicine doesn’t solve that problem. I’m married to a Brit and for the last 21 years have heard this not only from him but also from his family. Furthermore, I’ve seen it in action for myself.

That’s not the answer. There is a big agency that stands to profit in socialized medicine: big government.

The prevalence of socialized medicine is why the US’s pharmaceutical bill is so high. I’ve worked for a CRO (clinical research organization). I’ve talked with FDA representatives. It’s not the answer, either.
 
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My favorite Autism Advocacy group (and the oldest) is the Autism Society of America (ASA). ASA was founded in 1965 by Dr. Bernard Rimland. He also founded the Autism Research Institute (ARI) in 1967, which researched possible causes for autism, as well as potential treatments for the disease, and also sought ways to improve the lives of individuals living with autism. Dr. Rimland, who passed away in 2006, was the psychiatrist who convinced the medical establishment that, contrary to the “theories” of Bruno Bettelheim - that “refrigerator mothers” caused their children’s autism; and that instead, autism was a neurological disorder not related to nurture. His book “Infantile Autism” was truly groundbreaking.

ARI spawned an organization of doctors known as DAN! (Defeat Autism Now) who followed treatment protocols developed by ARI in the treatment of autism primarily in children. I was privileged to be able to attend the 2009 ASA convention in St. Charles, Illinois, and I attended a full day of the medical track while there. I was able to hear lectures by Dr. Bryan Jepson MD, Distinguished Professor Gregory Abowd, Dr. Martha Herbert MD, Dr. Maya Shetreat-Klein MD and a short talk by Dr. Timothy Buie MD. Dr. Buie received the ASA’s highest award at that conference for his massive contributions towards the treatment of autism.

Here’s Dr. Buie (one of my heroes)
 
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