Catholic ten commandments?

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Actually you can still get a copy of the original 1611 KJV on Amazon and lots of bookstores. I have a copy.

I wonder if the OP even realizes his KJV is not like the original. It’s missing quite a few books, prayer calendar, etc. It even has books we don’t have lol.

I appreciate your enthusiasm OP, but please research your facts a little better and be prepared to back them up.
 
Iraneaus said:
Actually you can still get a copy of the original 1611 KJV on Amazon and lots of bookstores. I have a copy.

I wonder if the OP even realizes his KJV is not like the original. It’s missing quite a few books, prayer calendar, etc. It even has books we don’t have lol.

I appreciate your enthusiasm OP, but please research your facts a little better and be prepared to back them up.
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I don’t have a 1611 KJV, but I will probably purchase one. My KJV is a modern one but it does contain the Apocrypha (which actually does include books recognized by the Orthodox Churches but not the Catholic Church).
 
TheApostle said:
The catholic bible today is NOT the original text from the days that in Rome used. Actually the bible we have today is a translated from Martin Luther that the Roman Catholics used to teach from but didn’t allow the everyday person to read and said it was for only the saints
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Uh huh. That’s cute. And next you’ll post that Luther all along had the Deuterocanonicals as well, right?
Read your own church history. So the Luther translated bible is what the catholics used until the lies were exposed.
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I don’t really get this–the Luther translated Bible is what Catholics used until this “lie” was exposed? So, you’re saying Luther lied?
 
The OP is obviously doing a “hit and run” (aka troll) of the worst unresearched Protestant rhetoric. The original KJV Bible is not even the same as the one he is using today. Verses and chapters were not even added to the Scriptures until about the 12th century by an Archbishop of Canterbury (one whose name escapes my mind at the moment). Latin Catholics & Lutherans simply use the numbering system of St. Augustine of Hippo and Eastern Christians (including Catholics) & other Protestants (excluding Lutherans) use the numbering system of Origen. No Christian “excludes” commandments of God’s Holy Word. We celebrate the life and death of our Lord (the Word of God) every Sunday at Mass. This is the only “worship” permissable to Catholics, aside from personal devotions. Veneration is given to the Saints and to the Holy objects resembling Christ’s life, death & ressurection are used to aid us in prayer and devotion to leading a Christ-centered life. God did not forbid the use of images in worship… only of “idols”, which ARE false gods if worshipped and sacrificed to and put on an equal status with our Creator and His Son, Jesus Christ. Catholicism only permits the worship of the one Triune God. The Catholic Church goes so far as to teach that the Ten Commandments are embedded onto the soul of every single human being from the time of their birth.

Catechism of the Catholic Church said:
2066 The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by St. Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confessions. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities.
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Notice that the Catechism does not state that the other numbering systems are “wrong”. To read what the Catholic Church really teaches about the Ten Commandments, you can read it for yourself online from our Catechism at scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2.htm. God Bless!
 
dosdog said:
I. I AM THE LORD THY GOD, THOU SHALT NOT HAVE strange gods BEFORE ME.

Pentecostalism - Idolatry - Power - Communism - Atheism - Humanism - Cults

II. THOU SHALT NOT TAKE THE NAME OF THE LORD THY GOD IN VAIN.

Cursing - Blasphemy - Satanism - Pride - Lack of Self-discipline - Abusive discrediting to another man

III. REMEMBER THOU KEEP HOLY THE SABBATH DAY.

The discipline of a specific day and time is necessary because of man’s need for such discipline.

IV. HONOR THY FATHER AND THY MOTHER.

Disobedience - Disrespect - Neglect - Impatience - Abuse

V. THOU SHALT NOT KILL.

Physical - Will - Love - Trust - Hope - Faith - Gifts of Talent - Abortion - Moral Standards - Spirit - Mind

VI. THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY.

Impurity - attack through the senses, lack of self-discipline, permissiveness, self-love.

Promiscuity - encouraging men to act without dignity, degrading the purpose of human intimate relationship.

Self-abuse - physically, mentally, emotionally. Mental abuse causes grave sins, sometimes grave intention for sin, permitting the intellect to become so permeated with sinful thoughts that men sin consistently and it weakens them in every way.

Homosexuality - Lesbianism

VII. THOU SHALT NOT STEAL.

Time - Will - Pride - Physical Energies - Material Wealth - Patience - Talents - Hope - Dignity

VIII. THOU SHALT NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS AGAINST THY NEIGHBOR.

Gossip - Slander - Lying - Defamation of Character - Hating

IX. THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR’S WIFE.

Adultery - Temptation through thought, word and deed.

X. THOU SHALT NOT COVET THY NEIGHBOR’S GOODS.

Stealing - Time, Talents, Material Wealth.

Usury - Through subterfuge - denying a man his rightful property, position and acclaim.
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Thanks Dosdog! This really helps to explain why we break it up the way we do. Each commandment deals with a certain vice or discipline.

In the version given by our friend, TheApostle, the first two commandments are redundant. For maken a graven idol and worshipping it is placing another god before our God. In TheApostle’s version, coveting a neighbors goods deals with greed and envy, where coveting a neighbor’s wife deals with lust. These should be separated, as we do.

I feel TheApostle thinks that he was sent to us to teach us the error of our ways. Maybe, perhaps, he was sent to us to learn the Truth!!!

P.S. I know, I know. It’s my world and you guys are just renting space!!!
 
Semper_Fi said:
The OP is obviously doing a “hit and run” (aka troll) of the worst unresearched Protestant rhetoric. The original KJV Bible is not even the same as the one he is using today. Verses and chapters were not even added to the Scriptures until about the 12th century by an Archbishop of Canterbury (one whose name escapes my mind at the moment). Latin Catholics & Lutherans simply use the numbering system of St. Augustine of Hippo and Eastern Christians (including Catholics) & other Protestants (excluding Lutherans) use the numbering system of Origen. No Christian “excludes” commandments of God’s Holy Word. We celebrate the life and death of our Lord (the Word of God) every Sunday at Mass. This is the only “worship” permissable to Catholics, aside from personal devotions. Veneration is given to the Saints and to the Holy objects resembling Christ’s life, death & ressurection are used to aid us in prayer and devotion to leading a Christ-centered life. God did not forbid the use of images in worship… only of “idols”, which ARE false gods if worshipped and sacrificed to and put on an equal status with our Creator and His Son, Jesus Christ. Catholicism only permits the worship of the one Triune God. The Catholic Church goes so far as to teach that the Ten Commandments are embedded onto the soul of every single human being from the time of their birth. Notice that the Catechism does not state that the other numbering systems are “wrong”. To read what the Catholic Church really teaches about the Ten Commandments, you can read it for yourself online from our Catechism at scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s2.htm. God Bless!
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Stephen Langton did the chapter divisions, in 1205, based on the Vulgate. The verses were numbered about 350 years later, by Robert Stephanus.

GKC
 
rbarcia said:
However, the word “Ten Commandments” are in the Bible itself.

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Exodus 34:28

28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments**.

Deuteronomy 4:13

13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deuteronomy 10:4

4 And He wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the LORD had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the LORD gave them to me.

And so if Moses called them 10 commandments, it is safe to say that the Israelites has a numbering given by either God or Moses. And that is the grouping then that should remain since it is the original intended by God.
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Although the King James does say caoomadments I have heard that this is an incorrect translation and that it should be Word. This does not mitgate your point but it does clarify that it was a set of thoughts as already been elaborated
 
And so if Moses called them 10 commandments, it is safe to say that the Israelites has a numbering given by either God or Moses. And that is the grouping then that should remain since it is the original intended by God.
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But that begs the question what numbering did God intend?
Scripture does not number them, it only tells us there were ten words.
 
adrift said:
But that begs the question what numbering did God intend?
Scripture does not number them, it only tells us there were ten words.
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Right. Don’t confuse the issue of number with the issue of order. They decaloug is in the same order, it is just a question of how they are numbered. I like the division of commandments between God and man (first 5) and man and man (second five).
 
Valke2 said:
Right. Don’t confuse the issue of number with the issue of order. They decaloug is in the same order, it is just a question of how they are numbered. I like the division of commandments between God and man (first 5) and man and man (second five).
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It sound like your more in favor with how the Jewish faith numbers the commandments. The 3 different ways of numbering the 10 commandments are just merely a result of personal opinion and preferance and tradition within each faith.

Personaly, I don’t think one way is more right. I think they all are equal. I like the fact that even though they differ in the way they are number they all are in the same order. They all use the same scripture passages. None of them put “Honor your Mother and Father”, first. They all put God first!

God Bless.
 
Mommyof02green said:
It sound like your more in favor with how the Jewish faith numbers the commandments. The 3 different ways of numbering the 10 commandments are just merely a result of personal opinion and preferance and tradition within each faith.

Personaly, I don’t think one way is more right. I think they all are equal. I like the fact that even though they differ in the way they are number they all are in the same order. They all use the same scripture passages. None of them put “Honor your Mother and Father”, first. They all put God first!

God Bless.
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That’s because I’m Jewish :). I don’t really care how one numbers them, as long as they pay attention to them.
 
Valke2 said:
That’s because I’m Jewish :). I don’t really care how one numbers them, as long as they pay attention to them.
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I didn’t know that :o I had a feeling earlier but I wasn’t sure :o

As far as not caring how one numbers them, as long as they pay attention to them I say: :amen:
 
TheApostle said:
These are the Catholic Ten Commandments…

3 (1st com) Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Hi, The Apostle!

Would you please enlighten me as to how or in what way one shows God that THERE IS NO OTHER GODS for him/her.

Thank you & God bless you always!.
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Here’s a thought that at least is somewhat related to this thread (though barely, I admit). Just thought I’d share:

Conversing with God: Torah and Psalms.
It seems that while the Torah is a conversation initiated by God to man, the Psalms are a conversation initiated by us to God. To that end, I note that the Decalouge starts with “I am the Lord, your God” and ends with “your neighbor.” While the book(s) of Psalms open with “The praises of man” and ends with “Hallelujah! Praise God in His holy place, praise Him in the firmament of His might.” God to man and Man to God.
 
Valke2 said:
Here’s a thought that at least is somewhat related to this thread (though barely, I admit). Just thought I’d share:

Conversing with God: Torah and Psalms.
It seems that while the Torah is a conversation initiated by God to man, the Psalms are a conversation initiated by us to God. To that end, I note that the Decalouge starts with “I am the Lord, your God” and ends with “your neighbor.” While the book(s) of Psalms open with “The praises of man” and ends with “Hallelujah! Praise God in His holy place, praise Him in the firmament of His might.” God to man and Man to God.
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:cool: insight… Thanks for sharing 🙂
 
I appreciate the Catholic numbering because it keeps “wife” separate from property.
 
awantz said:
The catholic bible says the same thing ours does. Is is just that the catholic church puts the first two commandments together and we put the last two together. I guess you could say there are 11 and the two churches group it differently to make it ten, as God’s word says.
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Your words are a breath a fresh air! 🙂

No, Catholics don’t reject the commandment against idolatry. It is obviously contained in the first commandment. And Catholics have chosen to separate the coveting of another’s goods from the coveting of another’s spouse, because they are clearly such different sins, stemming from such different motivations.

To the OP, Catholic bibles also have Exodus and Deuteronomy, which are the true scriptures. “The Ten Commandments” are just a list taken from scriptures, a summary of one particular item of the faith. Heck, they’re not even the greatest commandments! See Jesus on that matter if you doubt me. 🙂

All in all, this whole question is just a ridiculous tempest in a teapot.
 
Bruised_Reed said:
I appreciate the Catholic numbering because it keeps “wife” separate from property.
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BINGO! 😃 As a woman I do not take to kindly to having someone consider me to be the property of my husband. As it was pointed out above the covets are two different sins. This is why they are separated. The Catholic Church list the 10 Commandments by sin.
 
TheApostle said:
The catholic bible today is NOT the original text from the days that in Rome used. Actually the bible we have today is a translated from Martin Luther that the Roman Catholics used to teach from but didn’t allow the everyday person to read and said it was for only the saints. Read your own church history. So the Luther translated bible is what the catholics used until the lies were exposed. Thus changing of gods word to suit MANS needs and desires. The reason you have your statues is to make it Easier to worship and to have those “Tools” to worship. The ONLY “Tool” you need is Gods word and his word alone not images and statues! But I guess you are too versed in the lies that have been passed to you all.
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I just love Catholic Answers! Where else could I learn that the Catholic Bible that we use today was translated by Martin Luther?! Heck, I didn’t even know he spoke English! 🙂
 
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