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Jim_Dandy said:
Agree – know-nothing Catholics are pushovers for aggressive.Bible-only Protestants who dazzle them by quoting Bible verses at them. They have no idea that the New Testament consists of 27 of the Catholic Church’s own writings, and that the Bible is a product of the Church, guided by the Spirit. Most Protestants have memorized “proof-texts” of their own denomination and really don’t know much about the Bible. They usually don’t have a clue about where we got it. And many (most) definitely know nothing about the history of Christianity, which, after all, is the history of the Catholic Church!
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I lol’d.

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I agree with Jim Dandy’s contention about the “proof texts” common among Protestants, although out of fairness I would have to conclude that the same is true among at least some Catholics, who likewise have a set of quotes from the Fathers that they use to show that the early church is/was identical to the modern (Roman) Catholic Church when any honest reading of those same quotes in context would not support that notion. I can only conclude from this that either Catholics do not read the complete works from which they take these quotes that are used for apologetic purposes, or if they do their interpretation is already biased towards their conclusion, rendering them incapable of reading the texts within the Orthodox tradition they are most often understood. (Note: I’m not saying that RCs can’t use such quotes, but I am saying that if the majority of commentaries on the source texts from which they come from do not support RC presuppositions, then they ring a little hollow/are suspicious when used to support said presuppositions.)
 
Jim_Dandy said:
Agree – know-nothing Catholics are pushovers for aggressive.Bible-only Protestants who dazzle them by quoting Bible verses at them. They have no idea that the New Testament consists of 27 of the Catholic Church’s own writings, and that the Bible is a product of the Church, guided by the Spirit. Most Protestants have memorized “proof-texts” of their own denomination and really don’t know much about the Bible. They usually don’t have a clue about where we got it. And many (most) definitely know nothing about the history of Christianity, which, after all, is the history of the Catholic Church!

It’s been my experience that there are two primary reasons why Catholics leave the Church – (1) they don’t know their Faith, and/or (2) they don’t want to obey the moral teachings, and look for a “church” that approves of divorce and remarriage, or contraception, or abortion, or homosexual activity, or fill in the blank.
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Of course! We are all ignorant of everything and that is why we believe in what we believe! That reasoning is one of the main reasons that really pushed me away from most of my Catholic family.

Yes, that is exactly why I am Protestant because I plan on doing all of the above. Funny how all of that is frowned upon at my church.

I am going to tell the ex Priest I know who has dedicated his life to the Catholic Church for 40 years that those are the only possible reasons why he left the church. He either left it because he was too stupid to understand his faith or because he didn’t want to obey what Christ thought. Yes I am sure he will take to that well.
 
CopticChristian said:
Many Catholics that leave know little of their faith. Many Catholics know little of the history.
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I’m a Protestant in the process of converting to the Catholic Church but my very position leads me to believe the above reason given for why some Catholics might convert to a Protestant denomination makes great sense. I have discovered quite a lot about Catholic faith and beliefs since I first began thinking of converting. I have so much more to learn of course which is one reason I was attracted to this site. But when I read the Ask an Apologist forum, many times I read questions from people who mention that they have been Catholic since birth or at least for years and yet they ask questions about basic things that I learned the answers to in the first few weeks after I started to study the faith seriously. Obviously there are many Catholics who lack much when it comes to a basic understanding of their faith. It is not my intent to be critical but it is simply an observation that you can’t really miss.

I often wonder how a person of any faith could expect that any religion would be of any benefit if they are unwilling to spend even a minimal amount of time studying scripture and doctrine. Even though I heard this in a movie once, it is still in my opinion quite profound: “Your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, ‘But I was told by others to do thus,’ or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice.”

Obviously when a person knows little about their own faith, it really isn’t difficult for someone motivated to do so to convince them they are wrong and need to convert to something else.
 
Interesting thread…One thing I want to note is that here are hot, lukewarm and cold people around us all…People with a passionate faith in Christ all the way to someone warming the pews and going through the motions because of it is part of their culture/heritage. I and my druggy co-worker friend had radical conversions to Christ in 1973 that transformed our lives and amazed our fellow office workers as we started sharing Christ’s gospel message of salvation to those around us.

I say all this for a point. We have a few in our church with catholic background. One man going through a rough time met our pastor and through conversation realized he never trusted/believed followed Christ…Sure for 30 some old years he went througt the motions and lived far from Christ the rest of the time…This man had a powerful revelation of Christ and a true conversion of his heart…He has so radically changed that his catholic family members(Dad,mom,brothers) visited twice now to see who he was involved with. The man just radiates Christ in his walk.

People can be exposed to Christ for many years without effect and make a church change and truly experience Christ…Christ knows who are His. They sit in churches in every tongue tribe and nation…Our church has alot of missionaries all over the world. One outreach in a village in Nepal has services in a little village hut with all new converts to Christ…Once the chief came to Christ he gathered the whole tribe to hear the gospel…They are now translating bible lessons to teach them the scriptures.
God is a work bringing in the harvest before His return…shalom
 
Balian said:
I’m a Protestant in the process of converting to the Catholic Church but my very position leads me to believe the above reason given for why some Catholics might convert to a Protestant denomination makes great sense. I have discovered quite a lot about Catholic faith and beliefs since I first began thinking of converting. I have so much more to learn of course which is one reason I was attracted to this site. But when I read the Ask an Apologist forum, many times I read questions from people who mention that they have been Catholic since birth or at least for years and yet they ask questions about basic things that I learned the answers to in the first few weeks after I started to study the faith seriously. Obviously there are many Catholics who lack much when it comes to a basic understanding of their faith. It is not my intent to be critical but it is simply an observation that you can’t really miss.

I often wonder how a person of any faith could expect that any religion would be of any benefit if they are unwilling to spend even a minimal amount of time studying scripture and doctrine. Even though I heard this in a movie once, it is still in my opinion quite profound: “Your soul is in your keeping alone. When you stand before God, you cannot say, ‘But I was told by others to do thus,’ or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice.”

Obviously when a person knows little about their own faith, it really isn’t difficult for someone motivated to do so to convince them they are wrong and need to convert to something else.
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They forgot to work out their salvation with fear and trembling.

Many get caught up in not paying attention to what is important.

Manny forget that they have neglected their gifts

Many forgot to renew their minds.
1For this reason we must pay much closer attention to what we have heard, so that we do not drift away from it. 2For if the word spoken through angels proved unalterable, and every transgression and disobedience received a just penalty, 3how will we escape if we neglect so great a salvation?
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dzheremi said:
I agree with Jim Dandy’s contention about the “proof texts” common among Protestants, although out of fairness I would have to conclude that the same is true among at least some Catholics, who likewise have a set of quotes from the Fathers that they use to show that the early church is/was identical to the modern (Roman) Catholic Church when any honest reading of those same quotes in context would not support that notion. I can only conclude from this that either Catholics do not read the complete works from which they take these quotes that are used for apologetic purposes, or if they do their interpretation is already biased towards their conclusion, rendering them incapable of reading the texts within the Orthodox tradition they are most often understood. (Note: I’m not saying that RCs can’t use such quotes, but I am saying that if the majority of commentaries on the source texts from which they come from do not support RC presuppositions, then they ring a little hollow/are suspicious when used to support said presuppositions.)
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Just for the record, Catholics don’t claim “that the early church is/was identical to the modern (Roman) Catholic Church”–they acknowledge that doctrine has developed over time.

At any rate, what are these quotes Catholics so often take out of context? (If you prefer not to give the list here in this thread or to start a new one for that purpose, PM me.)
 
Trebor135 said:
Just for the record, Catholics don’t claim “that the early church is/was identical to the modern (Roman) Catholic Church”–they acknowledge that doctrine has developed over time.

At any rate, what are these quotes Catholics so often take out of context? (If you prefer not to give the list here in this thread or to start a new one for that purpose, PM me.)
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The man sitting in his rocking chair does not claim to be the baby that could not walk, speak, crawl nor the child that learned to speak, draw, play, nor the adolescent and the teen that learned to maneuver in the world. All the same man. The man sitting in the rocking chair is all of these in time and in the chair is different by age but not by type.👍
 
Trebor135 said:
Just for the record, Catholics don’t claim “that the early church is/was identical to the modern (Roman) Catholic Church”–they acknowledge that doctrine has developed over time.
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By that I mean that quotes taken from pre-schism saints of the early church about “the Catholic church” are taken to be referring to the modern Roman Catholic Church.
 
I think some Catholic masses are very dry…NOT ALL, but some.

I myself have experienced this. I have church shopped and have yet to find anything suitable. I continue to go to mass but only out of obligation.

It would be nice sometime to hear the priest actually give a sermon that applied to my life. And not just a repeat of the gospel.

Actually, sometimes I leave a mass more unhappy than when I arrive.
go figure.🤷
 
dzheremi said:
By that I mean that quotes taken from pre-schism saints of the early church about “the Catholic church” are taken to be referring to the modern Roman Catholic Church.
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Can you give an example showing that the Early Church meant “Catholic” differently than “Roman Catholics” mean it today?

I mean, you seemed to be saying earlier that quotes used by Catholics in support of papal jurisdiction and infallibility (and I suppose other doctrines causing division) were being taken out of context.
 
lisahiku said:
I think some Catholic masses are very dry…NOT ALL, but some.

I myself have experienced this. I have church shopped and have yet to find anything suitable. I continue to go to mass but only out of obligation.

It would be nice sometime to hear the priest actually give a sermon that applied to my life. And not just a repeat of the gospel.

Actually, sometimes I leave a mass more unhappy than when I arrive.
go figure.🤷
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Have you been to an Eastern Catholic Church?
 
was raised roman rite. Not interested in another rite. besides, i highly doubt I would be impressed.
 
Corpus_Cristi said:
Can the exodus of a Protestant from the one true church be boiled down to a lack of basic historical knowledge and a lapse in logical assessment? Thoughts?
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Of the Catholics I know who have left the Church, including family and extended family, it has “boiled down” to:
  1. An irregular marriage situation
  2. An irregular life issue situation (generally abortion)
  3. A disagreement with Catholic teaching concerning contraception (gutsy, considering the number of Catholics who disagree, never leave the Church, and still present themselves for communion)
Only later do they find a reason to leave regarding faith theology (ie Mary, confession)
 
lisahiku said:
was raised roman rite.
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Have you tried a Catholic Charismatic Revival (CCR) church? From what I’ve read they have a bad wrap around here, but I’ve gone to one more than a few times and as far as I know there isn’t any dancing in the aisles or “spontaneous” and irreverent behaviour going on there at all.
Not interested in another rite.
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You don’t have to switch religions or anything; eastern rites are just as Catholic as the Roman one. If you’re concerned about fitting in, there are English-language liturgies in eastern-rite churches.
besides, i highly doubt I would be impressed.
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There’s only one way to find out! 🙂
 
lisahiku said:
was raised roman rite. Not interested in another rite. besides, i highly doubt I would be impressed.
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I suppose it is how you look at it. We are a family East and West. It is akin to having relatives you do not know much about. I suggest everyone visit all the Eastern Churches in their area. I doubt they would impress anyone. I believe they would expand your vision of the family.👍
 
Corpus_Cristi said:
I’m a Catholic convert of seven (oh my GOSH…) years from Pentecostal Protestantism. After all that I’ve learned, there’s no way I would ever leave the Catholic Church. The other day, however, I was thinking about the scenario of Catholics becoming Protestant. From what I can tell, the number one flaw in the thought process of a Protestant convert from Catholicism is the fact that Christianity is historically Catholic. Even if someone is convinced of leaving the Church, how can they be convinced of Protestantism claims without realizing that Protestantism ultimately owes its existence to Catholicism? The question of Christianity owing its existence to Judaism can easily be cleared up by the testimony of so many to the Gospel. Protestantism’s beginnings, however are rooted in misunderstanding and in one particular case (Luther), neurosis. Can the exodus of a Protestant from the one true church be boiled down to a lack of basic historical knowledge and a lapse in logical assessment? Thoughts?
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Concerning logic and knowledge, in my opinion many of these egresses are emotional. If you watch the Protestant evangelical stations they pitch how bad someone’s life was before it got turned around and usually you will hear…:eek:
Is there anyone hurting, someone with pain, someone who just can’t see past the day to day difficulties,well call right now there are prayer partners right now who will guide you in prayer so you too can experience the love of …
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Something like that. It is my opinion that these decisions are emotional and not rational.👍
 
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