Catholic view of Justification, the Biblical support for this view, and associated theological terminology.

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**I ask you Fhansen, please correct my posts where you think need to be corrected.

This will be the greatest help that we might understand the facts of salvation in the same way.

If I made any theological mistakes, please point out my mistakes.**

God bless

LatinRight
SO, LatinRight, so far your scores on the following right Latin (RC) teachings are as follows:
  1. Election is irrevocable: 100%
  2. A believer cannot know with certainty that they are numbered among the elect: 1% (allowing for the rare private revelation)
  3. The elect can commit a mortal sin: 0%
  4. All who’re justified are not necessarily numbered among the elect: 0%
  5. The justified can lose their state of justice: 0%
  6. The justified can regain their state of justice by repentance: 0%
  7. The justified must, from there, go on to work out their salvation with the help of grace and with whatever time they have and opportunities they’re given: 0%
Don’t know if I missed any. BTW, a little fear, a little tension, a humble awareness of our obligation to God and our need to strive, as St Paul had, is not at all a bad thing in this life. Part of what we strive for is that perfect justice where we truly love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength and our neighbor as ourselves, and then obedience and works flow accordingly. But in all honesty that just doesn’t happen overnight.
 
LatinRite (emphasis mine):

The Holy Spirit (in Matthew 22:14):
God bless Cathoholic,

Matt.22:1-14 is an excellent example leading to understand Rom.8:30 “Whom He PREDESTIND, these He also CALLED.”

Matt.22:1-14;
Christ’s parable starts at v.2 and we must understand the whole parable.

v.10 “So the servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad (REPROBATES) and good (ELECT). And the wedding hall was filled with guests.”

v. 14 “For many are called (REPROBATES + ELECT), but few are chosen (ELECT).”

Rom.8:30 “Whom He PREDESTIND (ELECT), these He also CALLED.”

In my statement I referred to Rom.8:29-30 as follows.

The sequence of events of the salvation of the children of God:

Romans 8:29
For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the first-born among many brethren.

Romans 8:30
And those whom he predestined he also called; and those whom he called he also justified; and those whom he justified; these he also glorified.
  1. Foreknew. – Those whom He foreknew he also predestined.
  2. Predestined. – Those whom He predestined he also called.
  3. Called. – Those whom He called he also justified.
  4. Justified. – Those whom He justified he also glorified.
  5. Glorified
It is a theological fact: God only called into His service those who are predestined to heaven no one else. – Rom.8:29-30.

We cannot read into God called into His service the predestined and the reprobates. – Rom.8:29-30.

THE GOSPEL MESSAGE ADDRESSED TO THE REPROBATES

Matt.7:6 (Ignatius Catholic Study Bible) **– PROFANING THE HOLY **

**“Do not give dogs what is holy; and not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.” **

Commentary: “ Jesus redirects these insulting labels to anyone inhospitable to the Gospel, Jew or Gentile (cf. Phil.3:2; Rev.22:15).

What is holy: In Judaism, holiness characterized anything consecrated for covenant worship.

To treat holy articles in common manner would profane them
(Ex.29:37;Lev.22:10-16).

Jesus carries this same notion into the New Covenant. End quote.

The question arises:

What are those PEARLS not to given to the (dogs, swine) reprobates because they would trample them under foot?

Answer:

**PEARL: God’s gift of baptism.

PEARL: God’s gift of everlasting life.

PEARL: God’s gift of Final Perseverance.

PEARL: God’s gift of salvation. etc. etc.**

It is unimaginable even to think, that God would give the chance to those to profane (by trample under foot) His gift of baptism and to profane the Body of Christ/Bride of Christ (etc.) whose names for their vehement rejection of God and his grace taken out from the Book of life from all eternity.** - PEARLS are only for the elect.**

As Catholics can we believe we will be there as the Bride of Christ in the Wedding Banquet closed with our beautiful wedding garments?

Can a Catholic officially have the following opinion?

As salvation is by faith, if we don’t have faith to believe we have been saved, we are saved, ELECT, probably we will “watching” the Wedding Banquet from hell.

God bless.

LatinRight
 
SO, LatinRight, so far your scores on the following right Latin (RC) teachings are as follows:
  1. Election is irrevocable: 100%
  2. A believer cannot know with certainty that they are numbered among the elect: 1% (allowing for the rare private revelation)
  3. The elect can commit a mortal sin: 0%
  4. All who’re justified are not necessarily numbered among the elect: 0%
  5. The justified can lose their state of justice: 0%
  6. The justified can regain their state of justice by repentance: 0%
  7. The justified must, from there, go on to work out their salvation with the help of grace and with whatever time they have and opportunities they’re given: 0%
Don’t know if I missed any. BTW, a little fear, a little tension, a humble awareness of our obligation to God and our need to strive, as St Paul had, is not at all a bad thing in this life. Part of what we strive for is that perfect justice where we truly love God with our whole heart, soul, mind, and strength and our neighbor as ourselves, and then obedience and works flow accordingly. But in all honesty that just doesn’t happen overnight.
God bless Fhansen,

Thank you for your scores.

I don’t know you read it or not, one of my earlier post I have written:

The fear of the lord is the beginning of wisdom. We all need a healthy reverent fear of God.

But at the same time God doesn’t want us that we serve Him out of the fear of hell but freely out of love for His Glory.

By the way, I just read in my Bible:

John 12:48;
“He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.”

John 5:24; 1 John 5:13; Christ’s words: “ETERNAL LIFE.”

🙂 You might like to reconsider your position of “PERIODICAL LIFE AND DEATH” and might start to believe “ETERNAL LIFE.”

God bless.

LatinRight
 
As I quoted from Saint Thomas and the Catechism (posts# 50 and 51), a valid Baptism and the graces that come with it are not a guarantee of salvation. You are putting far too much theological importance and literalness into Romans 8:29-30 and going well beyond Church teaching.

God certainly predestined some for eternal glory, but you are discounting human free will. And what you say reminds me of what Saint Thomas called, in SCG 4:70:7, a heresy:
[7] This excludes Wesrock: from right belief] the error of certain heretics who say that man, after he has received the grace of the Spirit, is unable to sin, and that, if he sins, he never had the grace of the Holy Spirit.
Those who receive God’s grace can fall away and their Baptism may not bear the fruit of salvation (post# 51) even though they have been Sealed and confirmed to Christ.

God calls on the Church to normatively discern the faith of the adult convert before Baptizing, but God doesn’t hold back his graces in the way you describe.
 
By the way, I just read in my Bible:

John 12:48;
“He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.”

John 5:24; 1 John 5:13; Christ’s words: “ETERNAL LIFE.”

🙂 You might like to reconsider your position of “PERIODICAL LIFE AND DEATH” and might start to believe “ETERNAL LIFE.”

God bless.

LatinRight
Oh, ok. I don’t mind anyone thumping the bible as long as they have a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church in the other hand to thump as well. With the two, used together, dismissing nothing they might object to, they’ll have true understanding of Christ’s Words. Otherwise they’re left outside with their best-guess private interpretations of Scripture, admittedly vague or difficult to understand at times, with no consistent history or legacy connecting them to the origins of Christianity to support and back them up, just another opinion about a Book they picked up along the way. You’re close in many ways, a bit off in others.
 
Oh, ok. I don’t mind anyone thumping the bible as long as they have a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church in the other hand to thump as well. With the two, used together, dismissing nothing they might object to, they’ll have true understanding of Christ’s Words. Otherwise they’re left outside with their best-guess private interpretations of Scripture, admittedly vague or difficult to understand at times, with no consistent history or legacy connecting them to the origins of Christianity to support and back them up, just another opinion about a Book they picked up along the way. You’re close in many ways, a bit off in others.
God bless Fhansen.

I agree, in one hand the Catechism and the other hand the Bible and we MUST strictly obey God’s command 1 Thess.5:21 to ‘test all things’ with the Word of God otherwise we might only can “watch” the Wedding Banquet from hell.

SCRIPTURE AND VATICAN II: A VERY INCOMPLETE JOURNEY By BRENDAN BYRNE SJ

Brendan Byrne, S.J., is professor of New Testament at Jesuit Theological College, within the United Faculty of Theology, Parkville, Melbourne, Australia.

Pope John Paul II named Brendan Byrne, SJ. Member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission in 1990.

Quote: I think, too, it has to be said that the task of promoting the kind of biblical literacy asked for at Vatican II has received little help and no small degree of hindrance from prevailing tendencies in the Roman Curia.

The 1993 document of the Biblical Commission stands on a lonely eminence in this regard—and even it could have been negative in tone had not several of the members of the Commission fought long and hard to exclude gratuitous judgments in many areas.

The handling of scripture in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) is simply disgraceful and in many respects regresses not merely behind Vatican II but Divino Affante Spiritu itself.11

When I asked at a session of the Biblical Commission why that Commission was not being employed or at least consulted during the preparation of the Catechism, my question was received in sullen silence;

I had ventured upon some inter-Curial turf war. End quote.

TESTS OF THE ABOVE STATEMENTS

1992 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. …

2020 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. It is granted us through Baptism. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. …

COMPARE

1813 The theological virtues are … infused by God into the souls of the faithful to make them capable of acting as his children and of meriting eternal life. …

1821 … In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere “to the end” and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God’s eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ. …

ANOTHER TEST

Rom.11:5-6 In the same way, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if it is by grace then it is no longer by works. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace.

COMPARE

2027 … Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.

Continue
 
Dr. Peter Krreeft in his book explains the consequences of the above heterodox teachings.

YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE by Peter Kreeft


Peter Kreeft is one of the most popular and widely-read Catholic authors of today.

Peter Kreeft is on The Advisory Board of the Catholic Education resource Center.

“Highly recommended to all those who want to deepen their spiritual lives.

The beauty of this book is that it literally makes the [Bible] come to alive.” – John A. Harden, S.J.

Quote from pages 230, 248, 249.

“The mistakes of the Corinthians were mistakes of addition; the mistakes of the Galatians

was subtraction. The Corinthians had polluted the gospel.

The Galatians had abandoned it for another religion, “a different gospel.” …

Many religiously uneducated Catholics still believe this Galatian heresy today (Gal.1:6-9). …

**No mistake could be more serious. Yet as we shall see, this is the single most common

mistake in the Church today.**

Not a small minority but a large majority of the Catholics today not only don’t know the

basic doctrines of the Catholic theology anymore, they don’t even know how to get to Heaven!

Until this unbelievable failure is remedied, it is pointless to pray to God for ecumenical

peace and reunion between Christian churches.

It is not clear that one who does not even know how to get to Heaven can accurately be called a Christian.

I am not suggesting, as many Protestant Fundamentalists do, that most Catholics are not saved.

But I am suggesting that perhaps most will be saved as good pagans, as “anonymous

Christians” rather than as Catholic Christians.” End quote

As you see Fhansen we have a teachings of the RCC and we have a teachings our guests as well.

In 1 Thess.5:21 God has given us a COMMAND to test what we believe.

As you see Fhansen God has good reason that He has given us His above COMMAND. – The question is:** How many of us obey the above COMMAND?**

A bit of Bible study: Matt.7:15-18; Matt.13:24-30, 36-43; Matt.24:4-5, 11, 24; Acts 20:29-31; 2 Cor.11:13-15; 2 Pet.2:1-3; Jude 4.

Do you know the reason of God’s authorization? I believe know. This is our tests.

We should obey all commands of God, commands given to us in 2 Cor.13:5-6 and in 1 Thess.5:21 are crucially important to obey.

God bless.

LatinRight
 
Dr. Peter Krreeft in his book explains the consequences of the above heterodox teachings.

YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE by Peter Kreeft


Peter Kreeft is one of the most popular and widely-read Catholic authors of today.

Peter Kreeft is on The Advisory Board of the Catholic Education resource Center.

“Highly recommended to all those who want to deepen their spiritual lives.

The beauty of this book is that it literally makes the [Bible] come to alive.” – John A. Harden, S.J.

Quote from pages 230, 248, 249.

“The mistakes of the Corinthians were mistakes of addition; the mistakes of the Galatians

was subtraction. The Corinthians had polluted the gospel.

The Galatians had abandoned it for another religion, “a different gospel.” …

Many religiously uneducated Catholics still believe this Galatian heresy today (Gal.1:6-9). …

**No mistake could be more serious. Yet as we shall see, this is the single most common

mistake in the Church today.**

Not a small minority but a large majority of the Catholics today not only don’t know the

basic doctrines of the Catholic theology anymore, they don’t even know how to get to Heaven!

Until this unbelievable failure is remedied, it is pointless to pray to God for ecumenical

peace and reunion between Christian churches.

It is not clear that one who does not even know how to get to Heaven can accurately be called a Christian.

I am not suggesting, as many Protestant Fundamentalists do, that most Catholics are not saved.

But I am suggesting that perhaps most will be saved as good pagans, as “anonymous

Christians” rather than as Catholic Christians.” End quote

As you see Fhansen we have a teachings of the RCC and we have a teachings our guests as well.

In 1 Thess.5:21 God has given us a COMMAND to test what we believe.

As you see Fhansen God has good reason that He has given us His above COMMAND. – The question is:** How many of us obey the above COMMAND?**

A bit of Bible study: Matt.7:15-18; Matt.13:24-30, 36-43; Matt.24:4-5, 11, 24; Acts 20:29-31; 2 Cor.11:13-15; 2 Pet.2:1-3; Jude 4.

Do you know the reason of God’s authorization? I believe know. This is our tests.

We should obey all commands of God, commands given to us in 2 Cor.13:5-6 and in 1 Thess.5:21 are crucially important to obey.

God bless.

LatinRight
The Scripture they were told to compare to was the Old Testament. And what were they comparing? The unwritten teachings of the church, which they needed to hear because they, like the Eunuch with Phillip, were not, on their own, able to discern the truths of the faith from Scripture without that unwritten (name removed by moderator)ut.
 
LatinRite.

You cited CCC 1992 and CCC 2020 (et. al.) to show Justification being merited for us by Christ.

QUOTE:

1992 **Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ **who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. …

2020 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. It is granted us through Baptism. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. …

Also CCC 1813, CCC 1821, and CCC 2027.

Then you cited CCC 1813, CCC 1821 and CCC 2027 to show WE can merit eternal life in some sense.

QUOTE:

COMPARE

1813 The theological virtues are … infused by God into the souls of the faithful to make them capable of acting as **his children **and of meriting eternal life. …

1821 … In every circumstance, *each one of us should *hope, with the grace of God, to persevere “to the end” and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God’s eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ. …

. . . . . .

2027 … Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.

Then you made no attempt to explain, harmonize, or dissect the above CCC statements.

But you rather went off on a tangent about Dr. Kreeft (who is excellent).

You quoted Dr. Kreeft lamenting the Catholics are not evangelical enough.

After that . . . .

Then you challenged Fhansen to what you see as Biblical tests and Bible study.

I am not sure what your point is?

Theme A. The CCC quotes about Justification being merited by God for us is fine.
Theme B. The CCC quotes about Justification being merited by us in grace is fine.

You made no attempt to harmonize the two themes, or to dismiss one or the other.

I will ask you to do this harmonizing here.
 
God bless Fhansen.

I agree, in one hand the Catechism and the other hand the Bible and we MUST strictly obey God’s command 1 Thess.5:21 to ‘test all things’ with the Word of God otherwise we might only can “watch” the Wedding Banquet from hell.

SCRIPTURE AND VATICAN II: A VERY INCOMPLETE JOURNEY By BRENDAN BYRNE SJ

Brendan Byrne, S.J., is professor of New Testament at Jesuit Theological College, within the United Faculty of Theology, Parkville, Melbourne, Australia.

Pope John Paul II named Brendan Byrne, SJ. Member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission in 1990.

Quote: I think, too, it has to be said that the task of promoting the kind of biblical literacy asked for at Vatican II has received little help and no small degree of hindrance from prevailing tendencies in the Roman Curia.

The 1993 document of the Biblical Commission stands on a lonely eminence in this regard—and even it could have been negative in tone had not several of the members of the Commission fought long and hard to exclude gratuitous judgments in many areas.

The handling of scripture in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) is simply disgraceful and in many respects regresses not merely behind Vatican II but Divino Affante Spiritu itself.11

When I asked at a session of the Biblical Commission why that Commission was not being employed or at least consulted during the preparation of the Catechism, my question was received in sullen silence;

I had ventured upon some inter-Curial turf war. End quote.

TESTS OF THE ABOVE STATEMENTS

1992 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. …

2020 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. It is granted us through Baptism. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. …

COMPARE

1813 The theological virtues are … infused by God into the souls of the faithful to make them capable of acting as his children and of meriting eternal life. …

1821 … In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere “to the end” and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God’s eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ. …

ANOTHER TEST

Rom.11:5-6 In the same way, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if it is by grace then it is no longer by works. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace.

COMPARE

2027 … Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.

Continue
Frankly this sounds like an exercise in cutting and pasting some disingenuous material prepared by anti-Catholic heretics. Either way the so-called “TESTS” have nothing to do with Byrne’s statements; he was not pitting the catechism’s teachings against Scripture nor suggesting that misinterpretations were employed. I certainly hope you weren’t directly responsible for this bit of unscholarly tripe.
 
God bless Fhansen.

I agree, in one hand the Catechism and the other hand the Bible and we MUST strictly obey God’s command 1 Thess.5:21 to ‘test all things’ with the Word of God otherwise we might only can “watch” the Wedding Banquet from hell.

SCRIPTURE AND VATICAN II: A VERY INCOMPLETE JOURNEY By BRENDAN BYRNE SJ

Brendan Byrne, S.J., is professor of New Testament at Jesuit Theological College, within the United Faculty of Theology, Parkville, Melbourne, Australia.

Pope John Paul II named Brendan Byrne, SJ. Member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission in 1990.

Quote: I think, too, it has to be said that the task of promoting the kind of biblical literacy asked for at Vatican II has received little help and no small degree of hindrance from prevailing tendencies in the Roman Curia.

The 1993 document of the Biblical Commission stands on a lonely eminence in this regard—and even it could have been negative in tone had not several of the members of the Commission fought long and hard to exclude gratuitous judgments in many areas.

The handling of scripture in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) is simply disgraceful and in many respects regresses not merely behind Vatican II but Divino Affante Spiritu itself.11

When I asked at a session of the Biblical Commission why that Commission was not being employed or at least consulted during the preparation of the Catechism, my question was received in sullen silence;

I had ventured upon some inter-Curial turf war. End quote.

TESTS OF THE ABOVE STATEMENTS

1992 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. …

2020 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. It is granted us through Baptism. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. …

COMPARE

1813 The theological virtues are … infused by God into the souls of the faithful to make them capable of acting as his children and of meriting eternal life. …

1821 … In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere “to the end” and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God’s eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ. …

ANOTHER TEST

Rom.11:5-6 In the same way, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if it is by grace then it is no longer by works. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace.

COMPARE

2027 … Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.

Continue
In Catholicism any merit, whether the justification merited by the gift of faith or the eternal life/salvation merited by our works of love are not strictly due us, but are available only due to the merits of the passion of Christ. It all comes from grace. Trent again:

**CHAPTER VIII.
In what manner it is to be understood, that the impious is justified by faith, and gratuitously.

And whereas the Apostle saith, that man is justified by faith and freely, those words are to be understood in that sense which the perpetual consent of the Catholic Church hath held and expressed; to wit, that we are therefore said to be justified by faith, because faith is the beginning of human salvation, the foundation, and the root of all Justification; without which it is impossible to please God, and to come unto the fellowship of His sons: but we are therefore said to be justified freely, because that *none of those things which precede justification-whether faith or works-merit the grace itself of justification. *For, if it be a grace, it is not now by works, otherwise, as the same Apostle says, grace is no more grace.
**
 
God bless Fhansen.

I agree, in one hand the Catechism and the other hand the Bible and we MUST strictly obey God’s command 1 Thess.5:21 to ‘test all things’ with the Word of God otherwise we might only can “watch” the Wedding Banquet from hell.

SCRIPTURE AND VATICAN II: A VERY INCOMPLETE JOURNEY By BRENDAN BYRNE SJ

Brendan Byrne, S.J., is professor of New Testament at Jesuit Theological College, within the United Faculty of Theology, Parkville, Melbourne, Australia.

Pope John Paul II named Brendan Byrne, SJ. Member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission in 1990.

Quote: I think, too, it has to be said that the task of promoting the kind of biblical literacy asked for at Vatican II has received little help and no small degree of hindrance from prevailing tendencies in the Roman Curia.

The 1993 document of the Biblical Commission stands on a lonely eminence in this regard—and even it could have been negative in tone had not several of the members of the Commission fought long and hard to exclude gratuitous judgments in many areas.

The handling of scripture in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) is simply disgraceful and in many respects regresses not merely behind Vatican II but Divino Affante Spiritu itself.11

When I asked at a session of the Biblical Commission why that Commission was not being employed or at least consulted during the preparation of the Catechism, my question was received in sullen silence;

I had ventured upon some inter-Curial turf war. End quote.

TESTS OF THE ABOVE STATEMENTS

1992 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. …

2020 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. It is granted us through Baptism. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. …

COMPARE

1813 The theological virtues are … infused by God into the souls of the faithful to make them capable of acting as his children and of meriting eternal life. …

1821 … In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to persevere “to the end” and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God’s eternal reward for the good works accomplished with the grace of Christ. …

ANOTHER TEST

Rom.11:5-6 In the same way, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if it is by grace then it is no longer by works. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace.

COMPARE

2027 … Moved by the Holy Spirit, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.

Continue
From the catechism, which reconciles the perceived dichotomy between unmerited initial justification and merited salvation.

**2007 With regard to God, there is no strict right to any merit on the part of man. Between God and us there is an immeasurable inequality, for we have received everything from him, our Creator.

2008 The merit of man before God in the Christian life arises from the fact that God has* freely chosen to associate man with the work of his grace*. The fatherly action of God is first on his own initiative, and then follows man’s free acting through his collaboration, so that the merit of good works is to be attributed in the first place to the grace of God, then to the faithful. Man’s merit, moreover, itself is due to God, for his good actions proceed in Christ, from the predispositions and assistance given by the Holy Spirit.

2010 Since the initiative belongs to God in the order of grace, no one can merit the initial grace of forgiveness and justification, at the beginning of conversion. Moved by the Holy Spirit and by charity, we can then merit for ourselves and for others the graces needed for our sanctification, for the increase of grace and charity, and for the attainment of eternal life. Even temporal goods like health and friendship can be merited in accordance with God’s wisdom. These graces and goods are the object of Christian prayer. Prayer attends to the grace we need for meritorious actions.
**
 
God bless Goout,

I agree.

PEARL: God’s gift of Final Perseverance is the Eternal Assurance of our salvation.

God bless.

LatinRight
Not without the free response of man, which is not assured.
Read yesterday’s Gospel:
“by your perseverance you will secure your lives”.
The nut of the problem here is you are conflating what God knows with what man knows (which is not much, relatively speaking).

You cannot know what God knows in his timelessness, so what is the point of belaboring what He knows???
 
Latin Rite, your ‘contradictions’ in the Catechism are clearly resolved by simply reading other paragraphs in the surrounding context (usually in the same section). Rather than read them in isolation, you need to take them in context and as a whole. The same needs to be done for Scripture.
 
Dying in a state of sanctifying grace is all that matters. The Church teaches how to accomplish that.
 
Latin Rite, your ‘contradictions’ in the Catechism are clearly resolved by simply reading other paragraphs in the surrounding context (usually in the same section). Rather than read them in isolation, you need to take them in context and as a whole. The same needs to be done for Scripture.
LR is a sola scriptura adherent, for all practical purposes, trying to show us the errors of Catholic ways, hoping to still support his opinions with Catholic material where possible…
 
God bless Cathoholic,

SCRIPTURE AND VATICAN II: A VERY INCOMPLETE JOURNEY By BRENDAN BYRNE SJ

Brendan Byrne, S.J., is professor of New Testament at Jesuit Theological College, within the United Faculty of Theology, Parkville, Melbourne, Australia.

Pope John Paul II named Brendan Byrne, SJ. Member of the Pontifical Biblical Commission in 1990.

Quote: I think, too, it has to be said that the task of promoting the kind of biblical literacy asked for at Vatican II has received little help and no small degree of hindrance from prevailing tendencies in the Roman Curia.

The 1993 document of the Biblical Commission stands on a lonely eminence in this regard—and even it could have been negative in tone had not several of the members of the Commission fought long and hard to exclude gratuitous judgments in many areas.

The handling of scripture in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) is simply disgraceful and in many respects regresses not merely behind Vatican II but Divino Affante Spiritu itself.11

When I asked at a session of the Biblical Commission why that Commission was not being employed or at least consulted during the preparation of the Catechism, my question was received in sullen silence;

I had ventured upon some inter-Curial turf war. End quote.

ACCORDING TO THE ABOVE STATEMENTS
  1. The Roman Curia working on NOT a small degree to keep the Catholics in the state of Bible illiteracy.
  2. The handling of scripture in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) is simply disgraceful, which of course means: the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1994) is simply disgraceful.
To find out the above two statements are correct we need to test the CCC with genuine Catholic teachings and with the Scripture as follows.

THE CANONS OF THE COUNCIL OF ORANGE 529 AD

CANON 5.
“… For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God” (Eph. 2:8) …”

CANON 18. “That grace is not preceded by merit. Recompense is due to good works if they are performed; but grace, to which we have no claim, precedes them, to enable them to be done.”

MERIT

Divine reward for the practice of virtue.
“The reward given for good works is not won by reason of actions which precede grace, but GRACE, which is unmerited, PRECEDES actions in order that ENABLE them to be done.”
(II Council of Orange, Denzinger 388).

Rom.11:5-6 In the same way, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if it is by grace then it is no longer by works. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace.

Rom.5:18; “Therefore, as through one man’s offense judgment come to all men, resulting in condemnation, even so through one Man’s righteous act the free gift come to all men, resulting in justification of life.”

Rom.3:24; “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

1992 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ who offered himself on the cross as a living victim, holy and pleasing to God, and whose blood has become the instrument of atonement for the sins of all men. Justification is conferred in Baptism, the sacrament of faith. …

2020 Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. It is granted us through Baptism. It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. …

**JOINT DECLARATION ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION

by the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church**

3/17 Justification is SOLELY due to the forgiving and renewing mercy that God imparts

as a gift and we RECEIVE IN FAITH, and NEVER CAN MERIT IT ANY WAY.

4/25 We confess together that sinners are justified by faith in the saving action of God in

Christ. WHATEVER in the JUSTIFIED PRECEDES or FOLLOWS the free gift of faith is

NEITHER THE BASIS of justification NOR MERITS it.

4/27.The Catholic understanding also sees faith as fundamental in justification. For

without faith, no justification can take place. Thus justifying grace never becomes a

human possession. While Catholic teaching emphasizes the renewal of life by justifying

grace, this RENEVAL in FAITH, HOPE, LOVE is always dependent on God’s

unfathomable grace and contributes NOTHING to JUSTIFICATION. End quote.

KEY POINTS OF THE ABOVE THEACHINGS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
  1. Salvation is not our own doing, it is the gift of God.
  2. Grace is not preceded by merit.
  3. Grace, to which we have no claim, precedes work, to enable work to be done.
  4. GRACE, which is unmerited, PRECEDES actions in order that ENABLE actions to be done.
  5. If it is by grace then it is no longer by works. Otherwise, grace would no longer be grace.
  6. Through one Man’s righteous act the free gift come to all men, resulting in justification of life.
  7. Justification has been merited for us by the Passion of Christ. **
It is granted us through Baptism.** It conforms us to the righteousness of God, who justifies us. .
  1. Justification is SOLELY due to the forgiving and renewing mercy that God imparts
as a gift and we RECEIVE IN FAITH, and NEVER CAN MERIT IT ANY WAY.
  1. WHATEVER in the JUSTIFIED PRECEDES or FOLLOWS the free gift of faith is
NEITHER THE BASIS of justification NOR MERITS it.
  1. FAITH, HOPE, LOVE is always dependent on God’s
unfathomable grace and contributes NOTHING to JUSTIFICATION.

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TEST SOME OF FURTHER TEACHINGS OF THE CATECHISM ON OUR SALVATION

1813 The theological virtues are … infused by God into the souls of the faithful to make

them capable of acting as his children and of meriting eternal life. …

1821 … In every circumstance, each one of us should hope, with the grace of God, to

persevere “to the end” and to obtain the joy of heaven, as God’s ***eternal

reward for the good works*** accomplished with the grace of Christ. …

2027 No one can merit the initial grace which is at the origin of conversion. Moved by the

Holy Spirit, **we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain

eternal life**, as well as necessary temporal goods.

KEY POINTS OF THE ABOVE THEACHINGS OF THE CATECHISM
  1. God’s children can merit eternal life.
  2. The joy of heaven/our salvation is the reward of our works.
  3. Apart from the initial grace, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.
THE TEST IS CONCLUSIVE
  1. Part of the Catechism is a disgrace.
  2. The catechism contains the most serious heresies in Christianity.
  3. The Roman Curia is infiltrated by Satan’s undercover agents as it is repeatedly
described throughout in the Scripture. – Matt.7:15-18; Matt.13:24-30, 36-43;

Matt.24:4-5, 11, 24; Acts 20:29-31; 2 Cor.11:13-15; 2 Pet.2:1-3; Jude 4.
  1. Satan’s undercover agents in the Roman Curia working on hard to keep our Catholic brothers and sisters in the state of Bible illiteracy.
  2. 2 Pet.2:1-3 explains: False prophets and false teachers who are among us SECRETLY bring in destructive heresies.
They SECRETLY put their heresies into among the genuine teachings.

When Bible illiterate Catholics read these heresies consider them genuine teachings, they

don’t have the knowledge to test them, they don’t even consider need to, they just believe

it and as the results their knowledge and their faith doomed to fail and as 2 Pet.2:2

describes it; “many will follow their destructive ways.” – This is the very reason those who

infiltrated the Roman Curia do everything to keep us Catholics Bible illiterates.

WE CAN READ THE RESULTS OF OUR BIBLE ILLITERACY AND THEIR INFILTRATION AS FOLLOWS

YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE by Peter Kreeft


Peter Kreeft is one of the most popular and widely-read Catholic authors of today.

Peter Kreeft is on The Advisory Board of the Catholic Education resource Center.

“Highly recommended to all those who want to deepen their spiritual lives.

The beauty of this book is that it literally makes the [Bible] come to alive.” – John A. Harden, S.J.

Quote from pages 230, 248, 249.

“The mistakes of the Corinthians were mistakes of addition; the mistakes of the Galatians

was subtraction. The Corinthians had polluted the gospel.

The Galatians had abandoned it for another religion, “a different gospel.” …

Many religiously uneducated Catholics still believe this Galatian heresy today (Gal.1:6-9). …

**No mistake could be more serious. Yet as we shall see, this is the single most common

mistake in the Church today. **

Not a small minority but a large majority of the Catholics today not only don’t know the

basic doctrines of the Catholic theology anymore, they don’t even know how to get to Heaven!

Until this unbelievable failure is remedied, it is pointless to pray to God for ecumenical

peace and reunion between Christian churches.

It is not clear that one who does not even know how to get to Heaven can accurately be called a Christian.

I am not suggesting, as many Protestant Fundamentalists do, that most Catholics are not saved.

But I am suggesting that perhaps most will be saved as good pagans, as “anonymous

Christians” rather than as Catholic Christians.” End quote

God bless.

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KEY POINTS OF THE ABOVE THEACHINGS OF THE CATECHISM
  1. God’s children can merit eternal life.
  2. The joy of heaven/our salvation is the reward of our works.
  3. Apart from the initial grace, we can merit for ourselves and for others all the graces needed to attain eternal life, as well as necessary temporal goods.
No, no, and no. Talk of illiterate…
 
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