Catholic vs. Christian

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Can we give the OP the attention he deserves and just welcome saved75 to the forums and invite him to discuss infant baptism in a seperate thread?

The OP has alot going on in his situation that needs much understanding and advice.
 
saved75,
I see you have strong feelings about infant baptism. I do respect the view it is meant for adults, however i think you should open a new thread about it. I would be interested to join the conversation.
Thats just my opinion. Im not a moderator, and if the OP is interested…by all means let him here it.
I agree. Start another thread.
 
Apologies if this is tangential, but I just have to mention a little coincidence.

This afternoon I happened to hear a priest on EWTN saying something like “being baptized makes you Catholic or Christian”. He used the phrase “Catholic or Christian” at least one other time.

“Catholic or Christian”? Don’t get me wrong, I know he didn’t mean that Catholics aren’t Christian, but I can’t believe he would say “Catholic or Christian” when not all listeners would know that he didn’t mean that.

Anyhow, interesting coincidence that, not even 15 minutes after hearing that, I discovered this thread titled “Catholic vs. Christian” related to baptism.
 
I would take his comment as meaning “in other words” as oppose to " either or"
 
If by baptise, You mean infant baptism, Then there is no such Biblical thing at it.
The Bible’s way is,
[1]Here and understand the gospel.
[2]Believe and recieve it.
[3]Repent and get born again…Then and then only can one be baptsied.
Plus every Greek meaning for baptism, Is by total immersion.
Others have given scriptural support, so I won’t deal with that.

Is it your faith, or the faith of Christ that matters? If it is Christ that matters, the. It doesn’t matter whether you have reached the age of reason. Repentance is a life long thing. Every day should be a day of repentance, of about face change. Today is the day of repentance (or return), so it doesn’t matter how old you are or how much you understand. None of it is an act of a moment, but is rather a life of faith.
 
To be Catholic is to be Christian. It is ideal that a person should choose which church they are going to live according to, rather than float between various churches. But that is the issue of the family.

Why is it you baptizing the children? Why doesn’t the priest or the Protestant pastor do it?
 
I need advice! I’m going to baptize my friends two boys. She is Christian and her husband is Catholic. They want to raise their kids with both religions; going to Christian church one day and Catholic Church another and want to let their children decide what path to take when they grow up. My family for generations are strong Catholic believers so in my mothers eyes that was wrong and I heard it from a few friends as well. Essentially both religions have the same God but they don’t have the same beliefs so it makes it tough for me to accept their decision. Is it hypocritical for me to baptize these boys knowing that their parents are not going to commit to teaching them to be Catholic 100% but both? Is it wrong to mix both religions and to let your children decide what religion they want to take when the grow up? By the way the boys are 2 and 3.

In my opinion I think this will only confuse them when they get older; they should be one or the other not both. & if both then why baptize?

This has caused a huge argument in my family and I will greatly appreciate all the responses I get! 🙂 Thank you and God bless!
What is your belief Rosy? As far as I am concerned, its difficult to step on two boats and go across, when the rowers are following two different paths. Instead of confusing the children, the parents should sort this thing first.
 
I need advice! I’m going to baptize my friends two boys. She is Christian and her husband is Catholic. They want to raise their kids with both religions; going to Christian church one day and Catholic Church another and want to let their children decide what path to take when they grow up. My family for generations are strong Catholic believers so in my mothers eyes that was wrong and I heard it from a few friends as well. Essentially both religions have the same God but they don’t have the same beliefs so it makes it tough for me to accept their decision. Is it hypocritical for me to baptize these boys knowing that their parents are not going to commit to teaching them to be Catholic 100% but both? Is it wrong to mix both religions and to let your children decide what religion they want to take when the grow up? By the way the boys are 2 and 3.

In my opinion I think this will only confuse them when they get older; they should be one or the other not both. & if both then why baptize?

This has caused a huge argument in my family and I will greatly appreciate all the responses I get! 🙂 Thank you and God bless!
A house divided against itself cannot stand. While I don’t believe the above reason is a good enough reason to not to baptize the child, I do believe you are suppose to have a priest perform the sacrament unless there is a situation which makes having a priest present impossible. Also if you baptize the child and are the godmother of the child then you, as a Catholic, will have the responsibility of teaching the child the fullness of the faith (which is only found in the Catholic Church) if the parents will not perform their duties (and it sounds like they wont). Be prepared to take on this child’s spiritual needs as if they were your own child’s needs.

Also it is wrong to mix both religions. It would be like putting a perfectly functioning tire and a flat tire on your bike, thinking you’re going to have a smooth ride. It’s not going to happen.

PS. Catholicism is the fullness of the Christian Faith.
 
I think this is a matter for the boys’ parent to settle. I think you, as a third party, need to
let the parents make their own decisions. If you, Rosypink, believe that the boys, if they were to die as children, cannot go to heaven unless they’re baptised, then your job could be to pray for them and entrust their young lives to God’s mercy.
 
Hi again rosypink. Can you give us some more details? In particular, did your friends explain why they want you, specifically, to baptize their boys? (Are you a priest btw?)

Frankly, I’m having trouble making heads or tails of what you’ve told us so far.
 
The aborted aren’t damned, Why would you thing that??
Neither is an infant or a child until they come to an age of understanding of right and wrong, And chose to reject Jesus.
In what book, chapter, and verse is the “age of accountability” mentioned in the bible? Nowhere that is where.
 
I need advice! I’m going to baptize my friends two boys. She is Christian and her husband is Catholic.
That is a tough decision you will have to make…It really depends on the parents who belong to different Christian churches, and therefore have different beliefs, at least some. Did you mean to actually say: one is non-catholic (Christian) and the other is catholic (Christian)?🙂
 
I need advice! I’m going to baptize my friends two boys. She is Christian and her husband is Catholic. They want to raise their kids with both religions; going to Christian church one day and Catholic Church another and want to let their children decide what path to take when they grow up. My family for generations are strong Catholic believers so in my mothers eyes that was wrong and I heard it from a few friends as well. Essentially both religions have the same God but they don’t have the same beliefs so it makes it tough for me to accept their decision. Is it hypocritical for me to baptize these boys knowing that their parents are not going to commit to teaching them to be Catholic 100% but both? Is it wrong to mix both religions and to let your children decide what religion they want to take when the grow up? By the way the boys are 2 and 3.

In my opinion I think this will only confuse them when they get older; they should be one or the other not both. & if both then why baptize?

This has caused a huge argument in my family and I will greatly appreciate all the responses I get! 🙂 Thank you and God bless!
First I think by your post it would be a good idea if you studied your faith the catholic faith better since catholics are the original Christians and everyone else is a incomplete break off of that
 
saved75,
I see you have strong feelings about infant baptism. I do respect the view it is meant for adults, however i think you should open a new thread about it. I would be interested to join the conversation.
Thats just my opinion. Im not a moderator, and if the OP is interested…by all means let him here it.
We have to go by what the Bible and the original Greek Bible texts say, Not by our own opinions.
And I have posted what they say.

Infant is a religious ritual, Not a Christians doctrine.
 
In what book, chapter, and verse is the “age of accountability” mentioned in the bible? Nowhere that is where.
Common sense tells us,If we have to
Believe and then be baptised, Mk16: 16,Repent …And
Repent then be baptised.

Then a person who isn’t at the age of understanding, How can the believe and repent??.

Infant baptism is a religious ritual, Not a Biblical Christian doctrine.
 
Others have given scriptural support, so I won’t deal with that.

Is it your faith, or the faith of Christ that matters? If it is Christ that matters, the. It doesn’t matter whether you have reached the age of reason. Repentance is a life long thing. Every day should be a day of repentance, of about face change. Today is the day of repentance (or return), so it doesn’t matter how old you are or how much you understand. None of it is an act of a moment, but is rather a life of faith.
No one can give sriptural support for infant baptism, Because there isn’t any.
My opinion, Is the same as God’s.
First, Hear and Believe.
Second, Repent and get born again.
Third, Then and then only can one be baptised.

Of cause we have to repent daily, If we have sinned, But what has that got to do with baptism??.
God says, He who BELIEVES and is baptised, Mk 16: 16… And.
REPENT, Then be baptised, Acts 2: 38.
 
We have to go by what the Bible and the original Greek Bible texts say, Not by our own opinions.
And I have posted what they say.

Infant is a religious ritual, Not a Christians doctrine.
Saved75,
Welcome to the forum! I want to sincerely suggest something. I want you to stay around for a while in Catholic Answers Forum. I realize you have concerns about infant baptism. So many here iin the forum would love to share real biblical based answers to your concerns. I ask you in the name of Jesus our Lord to seek them. I worry that if you are not respecting the forum rules (which is not just having a different opinion, but respecting the poster’s thread) you may be banned. Im not trying to threaten. I realize infant baptism is a topic in this thread, but not a main debate with the OP. He has lots to consider and lots to answer for us to address him properly. If he comes back to see what advice is given and sees pages and pages of arguing about one topic he is not so concerned about, he may be discouraged and leave. Thats not the purpose here. You have given your opinion about infant baptism within your interpretation of scripture. Lets address it further in a seperate thread.
If you choose not to, then your spirit would not seem to genuine.

God bless you and our search for understanding the ministry of Baptism, which without His Spirit we cannot see.
Michael
 
No one can give sriptural support for infant baptism, Because there isn’t any.
My opinion, Is the same as God’s.
First, Hear and Believe.
Second, Repent and get born again.
Third, Then and then only can one be baptised.

Of cause we have to repent daily, If we have sinned, But what has that got to do with baptism??.
God says, He who BELIEVES and is baptised, Mk 16: 16… And.
REPENT, Then be baptised, Acts 2: 38.
2Thess 2:15

So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by word of mouth or by letter.

John 21:25

Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.
 
No one can give sriptural support for infant baptism, Because there isn’t any.
My opinion, Is the same as God’s.
First, Hear and Believe.
Second, Repent and get born again.
Third, Then and then only can one be baptised.

Of cause we have to repent daily, If we have sinned, But what has that got to do with baptism??.
God says, He who BELIEVES and is baptised, Mk 16: 16… And.
REPENT, Then be baptised, Acts 2: 38.
Do you realize an infant has no actual sin? He has original sin through his parents. Through faith of parents, in consistence with teaching in example, we are given the sacrement of baptism for the forgiveness of sins. This is an appeal from parental rights for a clear conscience and forgiveness. This does not equate to assurance of salvation, but forgiveness of sins and acceptence into the community of faith which is the Church. Whoever perseveres to the end will be saved.

Deuteronomy 5:9,10
 
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