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Archbishop_10-K
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Basic, honest questions, such as: Which listing came first? Why did the Church choose to use Deuteronomy? Why Protestants with Exodus? Is one is “better”?
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homer
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The only difference is that the Catholic church canceled the second commandment that forbids the making of any graven image of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth and also forbids the act of bowing to them.
And to keep the number “ten”, the catholic church divided the last commandment into two commandment. So number 9 became like that: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife. And number 10: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s goods. While it is obvious that these two belong to the same commandment.
And to keep the number “ten”, the catholic church divided the last commandment into two commandment. So number 9 became like that: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife. And number 10: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s goods. While it is obvious that these two belong to the same commandment.
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hank
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The Catholic church did not cancel any of the commandments. The church combined a couple and numbers them differently due to the combineing. A few protestant churches use the same numbering systems(such as Lutherans) I believe. Everything is in there though if you read the entire commandments, not just the shortened versions that you see. Nice try Homer.
This link has more information about the commandments and the numberting:newadvent.org/cathen/04153a.htm
This link has more information about the commandments and the numberting:newadvent.org/cathen/04153a.htm
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homer
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Enough said !!! Look people are not idiots as you and your church think. 99% of Catholics that I know (and beleive me they are many) do not know about the second commandment, and why you ask? Because the Catholic church doesn’t want people to know about it for it is doing exactly the opposite of it. What a coincidence that second commandment was canceled!
In fact, what you said doesn’t make sens at all. Read it again and laugh.
Enjoy your new numbering system!
Sorry if I seemed aggressive but the fact that the Catholic church is re-numbering the Ten Commandments is just unacceptable.
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p90
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In light of the negative view given toward personally interpreting the Scriptures, is the commandment in question included in the Catechism? If not, why not?
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Mike
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James Akin explains very well on numbering of the ten commandments and his article is found at: ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/NUMBERNG.htm
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jc_escobar
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Hi Homer,
I thought you protestants were interested in “Faith alone” and had no regard for the law anymore…What happened, sudenly you decided that works and following the commandments are necessary?
I believe that you were very rude with your answer. And by the way, The Catholic Church does NOT break the commandment on images. You just don’t understand it.
Blessings,
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hank
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You did seem aggressive and still do. You cannot renumber something that did not have numbers in the first place. I do not know the supposed Catholics that you know, but it sounds like they should have listened a little better if they did not know. (99% of the catholics that I know(and believe me they are many) DO know about all of the commandments.
Sorry if I seemed aggressive but the fact that the people come to this board spreading lies about the Catholic church is just unacceptable. Remember it is better to be thought of as a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
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hank
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Yes the commandment in question is in the catechism. The part that homer is referring to is actually in the first commandment.
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MariaG
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This is from the James Akin article.
This is part of the reasoning in the article why Catholics group the 10 commandments together the way we do.
There is more in the article, but this helps.
This is part of the reasoning in the article why Catholics group the 10 commandments together the way we do.
There is more in the article, but this helps.
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Apologia100
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The Catholic Church has always numbered the commandments the same way, it was the Protestants that renumbered them. The first commandment, “I am the Lord your God, you shall have no other gods but me,” automatically precludes the worshiping of images, so to have a separate commandment that forbids idol worship is redundant. If you are worshipping an idol, you are automatically violating the first commandment. The reason that the covetousness commandments are separated into two are to keep in line with commandments 6 and 7.
The 6th Commandment forbids adultery, the 9th commandment forbids us to even desire our neighbors spouse.
The 7th commandment forbids stealing, the 10th commandment forbids us from even desiring our neighbors property.
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Mike
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Homer,
Not very nice of you to say “idiot” and it is very offensive…
I don’t trust you on claiming anything since I assume you are a fundamentalist running around in this forum… You didn’t even answer to anyone at “The assumption of Mary” thread ( forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=3184 ) More specifically you didnt answer about any support on your claims of what two popes said.
I probably enjoying your way of running around attacking and dodging the issues like that!
by then, it looks bad on your part. :tiphat:
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sapl31
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I grew up in a non-Catholic christian church and my husband grew up Catholic. We have both types of Bibles I have read the scriptures side by side from both and see no differences. However, my husband has been attacked as a Catholic for removing a commandment and I have been attacked by Catholics for removing a cammandment. I believe a great deal of the problems comes from lack of education on both sides of the issues.
Secondly, as for the “faith alone” comment. I have attended the Baptist Church growing up and the Nazarene and Catholic Church as an adult. Both of the non-Catholic churches teach that you are “saved by faith not of works” which is in the Bible. However, they both teach that you must also follows the teaching of Jesus and the commandments. That works follow salvation and a Christian will want to do the “works” and that it is essential. The Nazarene churches believes that after one accepts Christ’s salvation they are not “once saved, always saved”, but may fall away from Jesus’ grace because they are not following his commandments and his guidance for their life and can then go to hell or fall from grace. Did you know that the Nazarene church also celebrates Advent and Lent and basically follows the same calendar as Catholics? Did you know they teach santifying grace? Did you know some Nazarene churches use a liturgical style for there services and announce a blessing at the end of service?
I believe the bottom line is that everyone should become more educated on each other’s believes. I learned this the hard way. I had may misunderstandings about Catholic and Nazarene beleifs at a younger age. Maybe we should see more of our likeness and learn to love one another.
The Catholic cathecism does allow for accepting other Christian Churches.
Secondly, as for the “faith alone” comment. I have attended the Baptist Church growing up and the Nazarene and Catholic Church as an adult. Both of the non-Catholic churches teach that you are “saved by faith not of works” which is in the Bible. However, they both teach that you must also follows the teaching of Jesus and the commandments. That works follow salvation and a Christian will want to do the “works” and that it is essential. The Nazarene churches believes that after one accepts Christ’s salvation they are not “once saved, always saved”, but may fall away from Jesus’ grace because they are not following his commandments and his guidance for their life and can then go to hell or fall from grace. Did you know that the Nazarene church also celebrates Advent and Lent and basically follows the same calendar as Catholics? Did you know they teach santifying grace? Did you know some Nazarene churches use a liturgical style for there services and announce a blessing at the end of service?
I believe the bottom line is that everyone should become more educated on each other’s believes. I learned this the hard way. I had may misunderstandings about Catholic and Nazarene beleifs at a younger age. Maybe we should see more of our likeness and learn to love one another.
The Catholic cathecism does allow for accepting other Christian Churches.
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p90
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For some reason the search engine I usually use for the Catechism has been down for a while. I hate to bother you, but do you mind providing the reference so I can look it up at home?
Thanks for your time,
~Matt
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Count_Chocula
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Didn’t Christ fulfill all the Mosaic laws in the Old Testament, meaning we are no longer bound to them? Well did Christ also make the exact same statement regarding statues and images? If Christ is the New Covenant and nullifies the Old Covenet then why all the fuss? If Christ did protest against Idolatry in the same words as God did back in the OT days then please point out the verses in Q and I’ll shut up otherwise the Catholic church is not in error here.
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Maurelian
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Part III - Life In Christ
Section Two - The Ten Commandments
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Carl
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If you look at the Old Testament, you will not see any numbering of the commandments. All numbering is therefore arbitrary. The listing of the commandments is done both in Exodus and Deuternomy, and therefore both versions have equal authority. In Deuteronomy the last two commandments seem to distinguish coveting the neighbor’s wife from coveting the neighbor’s goods.
If recollection serves me right, in the early Church the Deuteronomy listing gained ascendance through the influence of Saint Augustine, who perhaps saw the redundance of the traditional Hebrew listing (*graven images * as a commandment by itself) pointed to in an earlier post. Moreover, graven images of angels carved in gold are expressly ordered by God to adorn the Ark (Exodus 37: 6-9). I have never heard a Protestant answer that point.
To be consistent about obeying all the commandments, Protestants should have graven images in gold of angels in all their churches near the altar or tabernacle.
I know at our parish church we have the cherubim hovering over the tabernacle. You can’t miss them. We Catholic are faithful to Exodus and we have all the Commandments. Read our Bible and see for yourself instead of blindly accepting the claptrap said about us.
If recollection serves me right, in the early Church the Deuteronomy listing gained ascendance through the influence of Saint Augustine, who perhaps saw the redundance of the traditional Hebrew listing (*graven images * as a commandment by itself) pointed to in an earlier post. Moreover, graven images of angels carved in gold are expressly ordered by God to adorn the Ark (Exodus 37: 6-9). I have never heard a Protestant answer that point.
To be consistent about obeying all the commandments, Protestants should have graven images in gold of angels in all their churches near the altar or tabernacle.
I know at our parish church we have the cherubim hovering over the tabernacle. You can’t miss them. We Catholic are faithful to Exodus and we have all the Commandments. Read our Bible and see for yourself instead of blindly accepting the claptrap said about us.
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Archbishop 10-K:
There are three different numerations of the 10 commandments, The Jewish, The Catholic and The protestant. Each one is a summary what is in fact more than ten commandments.
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There are three different numerations of the 10 commandments, The Jewish, The Catholic and The protestant. Each one is a summary what is in fact more than ten commandments.
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Archbishop_10-K
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Ah, my topic was trolled. Oh, well. I don’t suppose Homer will return with an adequate response?
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