Catholic vs. Protestant Ten Commandments

[Zski01]

facedown:

**Methodist; Lutheran, Southern Baptist, AOG, COG, COC, SDA, Presb, Episcapol, Independant Baptist, United Pentecostal. **

I don’t think there are 30,000 denominations, but there are at least several thousand.

For one example, the other day I was watching CNN and they claimed that Southern Baptists decided to leave the “Baptist” confederation (not sure of the exact name) because of gay marriage issues. CNN reported that there are 211 Baptist denominations alone.

Presbyterians are very split, episciopalians have several denominations, as do most Protestant groups. There’s no way to say though, because many Protestant churches split off and just call themselves their own entity, which some may count as a separate denomination.

I think we’d be safe acknowledging that there are very many, but probably not 30,000.

As for the commandment issue, again, it is not important how we “divide” the commandments for catechising purposes. What is important is that Catholics and Protestant acknowledge the Old Testament as scripture, hence, however you want to “phrase” the commandments, they are binding (both the “protestant” and Catholic" lists).

Organizing them into 10 is not done the Bible, nor does it serve any purpose but an easy teaching/learning tool. We acknowledge all of the commandments no matter how we organize them in our theology.

 

[facedown]

Actually, they are organized as ten, and they were inscribed on (2) tablets. It is a serious matter.
The question though is has any denomination taught something other than whats found in Scripture? That answer-at least according to the offical RCC and Lutheran website is no.

Some people have claimed a ‘different’ set of commandments that one/both follow, but there has been no legitamite document for examination.

There are too many Christian denom’s, I admit. The amount of denom’s is hardly the point in this matter.

 

[MiddleBear]

Catholics and Lutherans numerate the Ten Commandments as St Augustin

Eastern Orthodox, Reformed and other “Protestants” numerate the Ten Commandments as the Greek Fathers

 

[rfk]

Zski01:

I don’t think there are 30,000 denominations, but there are at least several thousand.

For one example, the other day I was watching CNN and they claimed that Southern Baptists decided to leave the “Baptist” confederation (not sure of the exact name) because of gay marriage issues. CNN reported that there are 211 Baptist denominations alone.

Presbyterians are very split, episciopalians have several denominations, as do most Protestant groups. There’s no way to say though, because many Protestant churches split off and just call themselves their own entity, which some may count as a separate denomination.

I think we’d be safe acknowledging that there are very many, but probably not 30,000.

The Oxford World Christian Encyclopedia by David Barrett is a Protestant-sponsored publication out of England. The 2000 edition claims that there are 33,820 different Christian denominations in the world, with two to three new entities being created each week. I understand that the total figure has been updated to something like 37,000 as of this year.

Since I have never seen the book itself, I don’t know if it contains a verifiable list. However, I have listened to a fair number of conversion tapes made by former Protestant Ministers who quote this as fact.

I’ve also heard that the Encyclopedia is not able to enumerate the many independent “house churches” and other non-reporting entities, so the total may be, in fact, quite a bit higher.

facedown:

Can you name 30,000-40,000 denominations? I can’t. I’ll give you a list, and see if you can come up with a different ten commandment list than what has been provided. If not, I might suggest refraining from such derogatory remarks.

Cool your jets, man. Instead of assuming that other posters are immediately wrong, why don’t you try a little charity. I hope I addressed the 30,000 issue to your satisfaction. Even if you discount half of the denominations listed by David Barret, we are still one heck of a long way from your hit parade:

Methodist; Lutheran, Southern Baptist, AOG, COG, COC, SDA, Presb, Episcapol, Independant Baptist, United Pentecostal.

Thats not many, only 11. I know theres more out there, this is what came to my head. They all have ‘official’ websites. Have fun

Addressing your other flame:

facedown:

rfk:

The Vatican and the USCCB don’t post those kinds of apologetics documents. In my opinion, Catholic Answers, Jimmy Akins, and EWTN are all pretty reliably orthodox and consistent with Catholic teaching.

What are you talking about? I pulled the list of commandments that the Catholic church agree on from usccb.org/catechism/text/entiretoc1.htm) is that not official?

I think you utterly missed my point. Of course the Catechism lists and discusses the Catholic version of the Ten Commandments. However, what you will not find on the USCCB site are apologetics documents that discuss, analyze, and defend the differences between the Catholic, Jewish, and Protestant versions of the Ten Commandments. In other words, the kinds of discussion we are having in this thread.

Similarly, you won’t typically find documents that compare and contrast the fine points of other Catholic doctrines versus Protestant or Jewish beliefs on the USCCB or Vatican websites. In contrast, the following documents from Catholic Answers are set up to defend the Faith: catholic.com/library.asp

 

[jimmy]

homer:

The only difference is that the Catholic church canceled the second commandment that forbids the making of any graven image of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth and also forbids the act of bowing to them.

And to keep the number “ten”, the catholic church divided the last commandment into two commandment. So number 9 became like that: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s wife. And number 10: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour’s goods. While it is obvious that these two belong to the same commandment.

You are completely wrong here. The graven images is covered in the first commandment. It says thou shall have no Gods before me. Worshiping graven images would be making the image like a God.

Do you have any pictures of your family? If you do then you are breaking the second commandment according to your qualifications…

The Catholic church did not split the last commandment into two. In fact the original manuscripts did not have any verse numbers. The catholic church put in the chapter and verse separations. So they didn’t split anything.

 

[robertkchacon]

I grew up in a non-Catholic christian church and my husband grew up Catholic. We have both types of Bibles I have read the scriptures side by side from both and see no differences. However, my husband has been attacked as a Catholic for removing a commandment and I have been attacked by Catholics for removing a cammandment. I believe a great deal of the problems comes from lack of education on both sides of the issues.

Secondly, as for the “faith alone” comment. I have attended the Baptist Church growing up and the Nazarene and Catholic Church as an adult. Both of the non-Catholic churches teach that you are “saved by faith not of works” which is in the Bible. However, they both teach that you must also follows the teaching of Jesus and the commandments. That works follow salvation and a Christian will want to do the “works” and that it is essential. The Nazarene churches believes that after one accepts Christ’s salvation they are not “once saved, always saved”, but may fall away from Jesus’ grace because they are not following his commandments and his guidance for their life and can then go to hell or fall from grace. Did you know that the Nazarene church also celebrates Advent and Lent and basically follows the same calendar as Catholics? Did you know they teach santifying grace? Did you know some Nazarene churches use a liturgical style for there services and announce a blessing at the end of service?

I believe the bottom line is that everyone should become more educated on each other’s believes. I learned this the hard way. I had may misunderstandings about Catholic and Nazarene beleifs at a younger age. Maybe we should see more of our likeness and learn to love one another.

The Catholic cathecism does allow for accepting other Christian Churches.

sap, THANK YOU! Beautifully said. The Evil one keeps us ignorant! And if we keep ourselves ignorant we are only serving the Evil one.