Catholic woman ordained in Lutheran Church

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Interesting articles of a group of Roman Catholic women being ordained priests. In this case the ordaination will be in San Francisco. It is no surprise that the ordination today is to occur at the notorious Ebenezer Lutheran Church.

sophiaintrinity.org/

davidperry.com/maria-eitz-to-be-first-female-catholic-priest-ordained-in-san-francisco.html

I googled it and also found the announcement on the front page of the LA Times:

latimes.com/news/local/la-me-female-priests-20130526,0,2491697,full.story

Any thoughts?
 
They were* not* ordained, EvangelCatholic.

Just like a priest can say he consecrated oreos and sodapop at Mass–what he did was say words over oreos and sodapop…but nothing happened.

(And please do not make any connection between women and oreos/sodapop, as in, “How could you even equate women to oreos!” No one is equating women with anything here. It’s an analogy, plain and simple.)
 
Two things of note in the article you posted.
  1. The liturgical rite will be held at a local Lutheran church because the Catholic hierarchy does not recognize the ordination of women
  2. Despite excommunication by the Vatican or local bishops upon their ordination, the women continue their ministry as part of Roman Catholic Womenpriests, an organization formed in 2004 to bring about the full equality of women in the Roman Catholic Church.
They are not recognised by the Church and they are excommunicated.
 
“The Vatican has said that women who presume to be priests, and those who help them, are committing a grave sin. And like Catholics who have abortions or commit heresy, female officiants are subject to the ultimate penalty — automatic excommunication. The church does not acknowledge ordained women or the sacraments they offer.”

Quoted from the LA Times, all we need to know or remember on this story.
 
PRmerger said:
They were* not* ordained, EvangelCatholic.

Just like a priest can say he consecrated oreos and sodapop at Mass–what he did was say words over oreos and sodapop…but nothing happened.

(And please do not make any connection between women and oreos/sodapop, as in, “How could you even equate women to oreos!” No one is equating women with anything here. It’s an analogy, plain and simple.)
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You can easily relate women ordination to a priest concecrating oreos and sodapop. 😃
 
PRmerger said:
They were* not* ordained, EvangelCatholic.

Just like a priest can say he consecrated oreos and sodapop at Mass–what he did was say words over oreos and sodapop…but nothing happened.

(And please do not make any connection between women and oreos/sodapop, as in, “How could you even equate women to oreos!” No one is equating women with anything here. It’s an analogy, plain and simple.)
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Perhaps “ordained” should have been put in quotes.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Interesting articles of a group of Roman Catholic women being ordained priests. In this case the ordaination will be in San Francisco. It is no surprise that the ordination today is to occur at the notorious Ebenezer Lutheran Church.

sophiaintrinity.org/

davidperry.com/maria-eitz-to-be-first-female-catholic-priest-ordained-in-san-francisco.html

I googled it and also found the announcement on the front page of the LA Times:

latimes.com/news/local/la-me-female-priests-20130526,0,2491697,full.story

Any thoughts?
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Let them do what they will in their arrogance. It doesn’t change the fact that they cannot be priests in the Roman Catholic Church. If they want to separate and do their own thing, that’s fine. But I doubt they’ll have a large following.
 
A woman can work as hard as she can to look like a man, act like a man, and even call herself a father (if she happens to have kids), but she will never actually be a father.

I think similar thinking applies here. The women may be able to walk the walk, talk the talk, and call themselves priests, but, truly, they are not.
 
FabiusMaximus said:
Let them do what they will in their arrogance. It doesn’t change the fact that they cannot be priests in the Roman Catholic Church. If they want to separate and do their own thing, that’s fine. But I doubt they’ll have a large following.
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After reading this it occured to me that they use the term Roman Catholic and doesn’t that mean they are following the Pope:confused:
 
Just more stupidity. Wish they would stop calling themselves Catholic.:mad:
 
EvangelCatholic said:
Interesting articles of a group of Roman Catholic women being ordained priests. In this case the ordaination will be in San Francisco. It is no surprise that the ordination today is to occur at the notorious Ebenezer Lutheran Church.

sophiaintrinity.org/

davidperry.com/maria-eitz-to-be-first-female-catholic-priest-ordained-in-san-francisco.html

I googled it and also found the announcement on the front page of the LA Times:

latimes.com/news/local/la-me-female-priests-20130526,0,2491697,full.story

Any thoughts?
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I have lots of thoughts. You are asking for thoughts, coming to a CAF, where it is stated that this forum explains and defends the Faith. The Vatican does not recognize this dissident action.
The liturgical rite will be held at a local Lutheran church because the Catholic hierarchy does not recognize the ordination of women.
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  1. It is no different than Catholics 500 years ago, without any authority, leaving the bosom of the Church and inventing Protestant thought.
  2. An Augustinian Monk bears responsibility for some of this dissident action.
  3. You have posted on other threads that you live in New York and you attend a Church that celebrates Same Sex Marriage, suggesting that change is happening and change should come to the OHCAC as well.
  4. You have posted on other threads that you have accepted Essentialism=born that way=God created people homosexual
These are 4 thoughts and my final thought is this…
  1. You have come to CAF with other than questions, what is your purpose in coming to the CAF?
 
CopticChristian said:
I have lots of thoughts. You are asking for thoughts, coming to a CAF, where it is stated that this forum explains and defends the Faith. The Vatican does not recognize this dissident action.
  1. It is no different than Catholics 500 years ago, without any authority, leaving the bosom of the Church and inventing Protestant thought.
  2. An Augustinian Monk bears responsibility for some of this dissident action.
  3. You have posted on other threads that you live in New York and you attend a Church that celebrates Same Sex Marriage.
  4. You have posted on other threads that you have accepted Essentialism=born that way=God created people homosexual
These are 4 thoughts and my final thought is this…
  1. You have come to CAF with other than questions, what is your purpose in coming to the CAF?
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Said Augustinian friar would not approve of this - at all - in any way. If the contention is that said friar set some type of example, one would have to back much farther than him for an initial example. To the extent that he does bears some responsibility, then so does the Church leadership of his time and just prior.

As for points 3 and 4, I am perplexed, as well, by the positions that EvangelCatholic takes on these issues, as from my POV, they at not Evangelical (in the Lutheran sense), nor Catholic (in the historical sense), and certainly not orthodox Lutheranism.
On point 5, ISTM EvangelCatholic is welcome at CAF to defend his positions.

Jon
 
CopticChristian said:
I have lots of thoughts. You are asking for thoughts, coming to a CAF, where it is stated that this forum explains and defends the Faith. The Vatican does not recognize this dissident action.
  1. It is no different than Catholics 500 years ago, without any authority, leaving the bosom of the Church and inventing Protestant thought.
  2. An Augustinian Monk bears responsibility for some of this dissident action.
  3. You have posted on other threads that you live in New York and you attend a Church that celebrates Same Sex Marriage, suggesting that change is happening and change should come to the OHCAC as well.
  4. You have posted on other threads that you have accepted Essentialism=born that way=God created people homosexual
These are 4 thoughts and my final thought is this…
  1. You have come to CAF with other than questions, what is your purpose in coming to the CAF?
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I am a Lutheran. Lutherans are Catholics. The very Mass you likely attend is identical to what is celebrated in the Lutheran church. What I experience is often what Roman Catholics experience. All my life [and I am an old man, sort of] I have worshiped and communed with other Christians, many of which have been Roman Catholic.

I mentioned in another thread having spent time at a Benedictine monastery which is part of the Servants of Christ. On the grounds of this Lutheran monastery was St Monica’s House for women retreatants. When I was there most of the women were Roman Catholic nuns. They fully participated in the daily life of prayer and sacrament. Many of these nuns were incredibly talented women with the obvious gift of ministry. Some questioned why they and all women could not be ordained priests. Within a decade or two, women were becoming priests in Lutheran and Episcopal synods/ dioceses.

I firmly believe that the Church of Rome will eventually ordain women priests.

On the other hand, I do not condone what is going on at the Lutheran Church of the Ebenezer in San Francisco. When I first read about their Rosary service to the Mother Goddess I wrote to the Lutheran bishop of that synod asking him to look into this matter.
 
EvangelCatholic said:
I am a Lutheran. Lutherans are Catholics. The very Mass you likely attend is identical to what is celebrated in the Lutheran church. What I experience is often what Roman Catholics experience. All my life [and I am an old man, sort of] I have worshiped and communed with other Christians, many of which have been Roman Catholic.

I mentioned in another thread having spent time at a Benedictine monastery which is part of the Servants of Christ. On the grounds of this Lutheran monastery was St Monica’s House for women retreatants. When I was there most of the women were Roman Catholic nuns. They fully participated in the daily life of prayer and sacrament. Many of these nuns were incredibly talented women with the obvious gift of ministry. Some questioned why they and all women could not be ordained priests. Within a decade or two, women were becoming priests in Lutheran and Episcopal synods/ dioceses.

On the other hand, I do not condone what is going on at the Lutheran Church of the Ebenezer in San Francisco. When I first read about their Rosary service to the Mother Goddess I wrote to the Lutheran bishop of that synod asking him to look into this matter.
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I firmly believe that the Church of Rome will eventually ordain women priests.
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You may someday rest in peace, however your tenacity, will be lost on something that cannot or ever will be.

While an Augustinian monk thought he could change the Church from the outside, 500 years later, you may want to reflect on how that went. Change from the inside as Catherine of Sienna proceeded, may be a better example and model for you.

Kittens born in an oven does not make them cookies.
 
CopticChristian said:
You may someday rest in peace, however your tenacity, will be lost on something that cannot or ever will be.

While an Augustinian monk thought he could change the Church from the outside, 500 years later, you may want to reflect on how that went. Change from the inside as Catherine of Sienna proceeded, may be a better example and model for you.

Kittens born in an oven does not make them cookies.
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I don’t know you of-course, so I looked up the threads you submit. Many deal with the subject of homosexuality; very revealing.
 
=EvangelCatholic;10796246]I am a Lutheran. Lutherans are Catholics. The very Mass you likely attend is identical to what is celebrated in the Lutheran church. What I experience is often what Roman Catholics experience. All my life [and I am an old man, sort of] I have worshiped and communed with other Christians, many of which have been Roman Catholic.
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Question: where have you done this, communed with Roman Catholics?
I mentioned in another thread having spent time at a Benedictine monastery which is part of the Servants of Christ. On the grounds of this Lutheran monastery was St Monica’s House for women retreatants. When I was there most of the women were Roman Catholic nuns. They fully participated in the daily life of prayer and sacrament. Many of these nuns were incredibly talented women with the obvious gift of ministry.
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And both of our communions - Catholic and Lutheran - have ministry vocations for women. My daughter is in one - a teacher in a Lutheran school. This is her call. But she is not, nor can she be, ordained into the ministerial priesthood, not because the synod won’t let, but because scripture, the historic Church, and the Lutheran Confessions do not permit it.
Some questioned why they and all women could not be ordained priests. Within a decade or two, women were becoming priests in Lutheran and Episcopal synods/ dioceses.
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But not in confessional, orthodox Lutheran synods.
I firmly believe that the Church of Rome will eventually ordain women priests.
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I certainly hope not, because if (a big if because I don’t ever see it happening) the LCMS wrongly goes down that path, I will need a place to go. 😉
On the other hand, I do not condone what is going on at the Lutheran Church of the Ebenezer in San Francisco. When I first read about their Rosary service to the Mother Goddess I wrote to the Lutheran bishop of that synod asking him to look into this matter.
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That’s good to hear, though it seems to have had no impact, sadly.

Jon
 
EvangelCatholic said:
I don’t know you of-course, so I looked up the threads you submit. Many deal with the subject of homosexuality; very revealing.
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You probably have not seen other threads that are as revealing. I am pleased that you find discussions on morality revealing.

Do you believe that Homosexuals were created Homosexual?

Do you approve of Same Sex marriage?
 
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