Catholic woman ordained in Lutheran Church

[VanSensei]

A heretic action performed by a schismatic* Lutheran church. To support women’s ordination of any kind in the Catholic Church is an attack against Christ.

[NOTE: I *do not mean the Lutheran Church as a whole. I mean that feminist Ebenezer church.]

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

So if they are being ordained by Lutherans doesn;t that mean they are Lutheran pastors? Or can a mormon fill in for an orthodox Bishop who was sick and ordain a seminarian to the preisthood now? These women are just arrogant.

 

[EvangelCatholic]

Question: where have you done this, communed with Roman Catholics?

And both of our communions - Catholic and Lutheran - have ministry vocations for women. My daughter is in one - a teacher in a Lutheran school. This is her call. But she is not, nor can she be, ordained into the ministerial priesthood, not because the synod won’t let, but because scripture, the historic Church, and the Lutheran Confessions do not permit it.

But not in confessional, orthodox Lutheran synods.

I certainly hope not, because if (a big if because I don’t ever see it happening) the LCMS wrongly goes down that path, I will need a place to go.

That’s good to hear, though it seems to have had no impact, sadly.

Jon

I first time I can recall where I fully participated in a Mass with Roman Catholics was at a Franciscan friary in Indiana. A member in a group of seminarians from Concordia Seminary [then it was called the senior college] knew a religious at the community who invited us to visit. By the way, we had just spent Holy Week at St Augustine’s House and were driving back to Fort Wayne. The usual Franciscan hospitality extended into the chapel and we were not only invited to read the lessons but were also communed. It was a very emotional Mass. We, of-course, could not tell the seminary about it.

St Augustine’s was also a very ecumenical community. I think they also got into trouble with the local LCMS authority and eventually had to sever ties with the Missouri Synod though I do not know their status currently.

Jon, are you suggesting that the Church of Sweden, Church of Finland, etc are not “confessional” because they ordain women into the priesthood?

 

[VanSensei]

I hope not.

 

[JonNC]

I first time I can recall where I fully participated in a Mass with Roman Catholics was at a Franciscan friary in Indiana. A member in a group of seminarians from Concordia Seminary [then it was called the senior college] knew a religious at the community who invited us to visit. By the way, we had just spent Holy Week at St Augustine’s House and were driving back to Fort Wayne. The usual Franciscan hospitality extended into the chapel and we were not only invited to read the lessons but were also communed. It was a very emotional Mass. We, of-course, could not tell the seminary about it.

St Augustine’s was also a very ecumenical community. I think they also got into trouble with the local LCMS authority and eventually had to sever ties with the Missouri Synod though I do not know their status currently.

Jon, are you suggesting that the Church of Sweden, Church of Finland, etc are not “confessional” because they ordain women into the priesthood?

I am. It is neither confessional nor orthodox, nor scriptural. At the following link, you can find the LCMS response to the ordination of women.
lcms.org/belief-and-practice

Jon

 

[JonNC]

A heretic action performed by a schismatic* Lutheran church. To support women’s ordination of any kind in the Catholic Church is an attack against Christ.

[NOTE: I *do not

mean the Lutheran Church as a whole. I mean that feminist Ebenezer church.]

Understood. It seems ironic on this, Trinity Sunday, that we would be chatting about this community, as their theology seems outside the historic teaching of the Trinity.

Jon

 

[benjohnson]

It seems ironic on this, Trinity Sunday, that we would be chatting about this community, as their theology seems outside the historic teaching of the Trinity.

Jon

I treat Ebenezer Herchurch as a drinking game - in addition to drinking a shot of whisky every time someone says their name, I also read the Athanasian Creed.

So far, it’s proved cathartic.

 

[JonNC]

I treat Ebenezer Herchurch as a drinking game - in addition to drinking a shot of whisky every time someone says their name, I also read the Athanasian Creed.

So far, it’s proved cathartic.

I think the length and complexity of the Athanasian requires two shots.

Jon

 

[benjohnson]

Jon, are you suggesting that the Church of Sweden, Church of Finland, etc are not “confessional” because they ordain women into the priesthood?

Frankly, ordination of women is a symptom of a church turning it’s back on the Word of God and toward itself with the expectation that “we know better.”

Christianity would be whole and complete if we creatures never uttered the words “I have a new idea!”

 

[Nine_Two]

Interesting articles of a group of Roman Catholic women being ordained priests. In this case the ordaination will be in San Francisco. It is no surprise that the ordination today is to occur at the notorious Ebenezer Lutheran Church.

sophiaintrinity.org/

davidperry.com/maria-eitz-to-be-first-female-catholic-priest-ordained-in-san-francisco.html

I googled it and also found the announcement on the front page of the LA Times:

latimes.com/news/local/la-me-female-priests-20130526,0,2491697,full.story

Any thoughts?

They aren’t really Catholic anymore then, are they?

 

[PRmerger]

I don’t know you of-course, so I looked up the threads you submit. Many deal with the subject of homosexuality; very revealing.

What do you think this reveals, Evangel?

If I were to read between the lines of what you think it “reveals” would it be that you think that posting often on forums dealing with homosexuality indicates that someone has homosexual desires, yes?

I think that this would be an extremely erroneous conclusion to make. I post frequently on the non-Catholic forum and I can tell you that I have no frequent closeted desire to be a non-Catholic. I also post occasionally on the forum dealing with atheism, and I can tell you I have no occasional closeted desire to be atheist.

I also post on every once in a while on threads dealing with homosexuality and I can assure you that I have no every once in a while sexual attraction to members of my own gender.

Please don’t make insinuations about what someone’s interest in posting on a forum indicates.

 

[VanSensei]

They aren’t really Catholic anymore then, are they?

Neither her, nor anyone attending Sophia in Trinity, honestly.

 

[EvangelCatholic]

What do you think this reveals, Evangel?

If I were to read between the lines of what you think it “reveals” would it be that you think that posting often on forums dealing with homosexuality indicates that someone has homosexual desires, yes?

I think that this would be an extremely erroneous conclusion to make. I post frequently on the non-Catholic forum and I can tell you that I have no frequent closeted desire to be a non-Catholic. I also post occasionally on the forum dealing with atheism, and I can tell you I have no occasional closeted desire to be atheist.

I also post on every once in a while on threads dealing with homosexuality and I can assure you that I have no every once in a while sexual attraction to members of my own gender.

Please don’t make insinuations about what someone’s interest in posting on a forum indicates.

On the contrary, the insinuation had nothing to do with someone’s sexuality since that would be totally inappropriate. And pertaining to this article, the only connection between sexuality and a woman becoming a Catholic priest is gender. The desire of some Catholic women to enter the priesthood is well known and likely been a topic for discussion on this forum.

Unrelated to this topic, CopticChristian inserted ‘homosexuality’ in post #14 “What’s revealing” is merely an observation that many of CopticChristian’s posts seem to deal with homosexuality. No offense meant to CopticChristian.

 

[EvangelCatholic]

Clarification: The LA Times article does identify a lesbian relationship and same-sex marriage in connection to the “ordained” woman becoming a priest. The relation to that and feminist theology, however, is unknown.

Many Christians are led in worship by women including Roman Catholic parishes that can not provide a priest regularly. Many of those parishes are administered by nuns including the distribution of the sacrament.

 

[Nine_Two]

Many Christians are led in worship by women including Roman Catholic parishes that can not provide a priest regularly. Many of those parishes are administered by nuns including the distribution of the sacrament.

The role of women in leadership isn’t the issue.

 

[PRmerger]

On the contrary, the insinuation had nothing to do with someone’s sexuality since that would be totally inappropriate.

Indeed. It would be absolutely inappropriate.

And, I might add, completely beyond your abilities.

Unrelated to this topic, CopticChristian inserted ‘homosexuality’ in post #14 “What’s revealing” is merely an observation that many of CopticChristian’s posts seem to deal with homosexuality…

This is a tautology.

Please explain what you meant. What, exactly, do you think it seems to reveal, if “many” posts of a particular member deal with homosexuality?

 

[PRmerger]

Many Christians are led in worship by women including Roman Catholic parishes that can not provide a priest regularly. Many of those parishes are administered by nuns including the distribution of the sacrament.

This demonstrates an impoverished understanding of the priesthood.

The dogma that women cannot be ordained has nothing to do with the abilities of a woman to run a parish, to counsel parishioners, to preach interesting, stimulating sermons…for of course a woman can do all these things. Perhaps, women can even do these things better than men.

Not the point.

 

[CopticChristian]

On the contrary, the insinuation had nothing to do with someone’s sexuality since that would be totally inappropriate. And pertaining to this article, the only connection between sexuality and a woman becoming a Catholic priest is gender. The desire of some Catholic women to enter the priesthood is well known and likely been a topic for discussion on this forum.

Unrelated to this topic, CopticChristian inserted ‘homosexuality’ in post #14 “What’s revealing” is merely an observation that many of CopticChristian’s posts seem to deal with homosexuality. No offense meant to CopticChristian.

Catholic Woman ordained…

You posted this…

You stated…

I firmly believe that the Church of Rome will eventually ordain women priests.

You have run a series of posts on another thread insinuating that you believe that the Church is wrong concerning homosexuality…

I asked you to clarify for me this…

**Do you believe that Homosexuals were created Homosexual?

Do you approve of Same Sex marriage? **

All matters that you find disagreeable with Church teaching are matters for concern including women’s ordination…so just answer the question…

Do you believe that Homosexuals were created Homosexual?

Do you approve of Same Sex marriage?

 

[CopticChristian]

Clarification: The LA Times article does identify a lesbian relationship and same-sex marriage in connection to the “ordained” woman becoming a priest. The relation to that and feminist theology, however, is unknown.

Many Christians are led in worship by women including Roman Catholic parishes that can not provide a priest regularly. Many of those parishes are administered by nuns including the distribution of the sacrament.

Women will never become priests. None of this is relevant to the facts.

 

[hn160]

This is an article that was in the blog Get Religion written by LC-MS Lutheran Mollie Z. Hemingway:

The editor will be announced in an LA Daily News board meeting. The printing press, symbolizing publishing, will be made out of lollipops. The staff will agree to follow the direction of “our editor and blackjack dealer.”
But the real departure from Los Angeles Times tradition will be evident when Maria Eitz approaches the computer to write her first story.
Does any of that make sense to you? How about this lede to a story that ran in the Los Angeles Times this week?
SAN FRANCISCO — The priest will be ordained in a purple Lutheran church. The Communion bread, symbolizing the body of Christ, will be gluten-free. The congregation will pray to “our mother our father in heaven.”
But the real departure from Roman Catholic tradition will be evident when Maria Eitz approaches the altar Sunday for the laying on of hands that turns parishioner into priest.
So, according to the logic here, you can deny transubstantiation, get ordained in, literally, a Lutheran church (no, not my kind!), and get all gender-weird about God the Father and that’s totally cool and not even a “real” departure from Roman Catholic “tradition?” In what world? Why is Roman Catholic even mentioned here? Seriously?
Also, these aren’t items of tradition, but doctrine. Someone who doesn’t understand the difference between Christian doctrine and Christian tradition has no business writing a story on non-Catholics getting ordained in non-Catholic ceremonies. Period. When editors and reporters are so unfamiliar with Christian doctrine — and tradition — that they produce stories such as this, we all lose.
These stories have been so bad for so long that I’m beginning to wonder if journalists didn’t, like, sign a pact with some agent of journalism darkness to see how much idiocy could be spread under one story topic. It’s just that bad.
Take the headline:
Women becoming priests without Vatican’s blessing
Small numbers of Catholic women are ignoring the ban on female priests and are ordained without the church’s acknowledgment.
The Roman Catholic church is an organization that sets it’s own rules. This headline makes no more sense than saying:
Auto mechanics becoming professors without UCLA’s blessing
Small numbers of auto mechanics are ignoring the rules on who becomes professors and are given tenure without UCLA’s acknowledgement
or
Golfers becoming infielders without Yankees blessing
Small numbers of golfers are ignoring MLB rules and are being named infielders without the Yankees’ acknowledgment
I’m sure you could do better than me at this game.
The story is riddled with errors and weirdness.

We’re told, for instance, that “more than 120 women worldwide … have been ordained as Roman Catholic priests and deacons” and then a line later that those ordinations weren’t valid according to church law.
It has all the trademark puffiness of every single other Womenpriests story you’ve ever read. After acting like the women we’re reading about are really good Roman Catholics, though, we learn:
The congregation’s core beliefs are another story too. Rue and Eitz support abortion rights, contraception, married priests and same-sex marriage. Rue is a married lesbian who has been out since 1973.
We learn that the sacrament isn’t administered by the priests so much as the congregation. I’ll just quote the last three paragraphs for your enjoyment about these faithful Catholic women who are held up only by the misogynistic leadership of Rome:
What calms her mind? Hafiz, a Sufi poet from the 14th century, and Mary Oliver, whose poems weave the natural and spiritual worlds.
With fog blanketing her Inner Richmond neighborhood and her cocker spaniel sleeping at her feet, Eitz opens a collection of Hafiz’s work. She has marked her favorite poems with feathers. She begins to read out loud.
“I / Have / Learned / So much from God / That I can no longer / Call / Myself / A Christian, a Hindu, a Muslim / A Buddhist, a Jew,” she read, beginning to relax. “The Truth has shared so / much of itself / With me / That I can no longer call myself / A man, a woman, an angel / Or even pure / Soul.”
Yeah, man! Was that poem published by the Vatican? Because it sure sounds about as Roman Catholic as anything else I’ve ever heard, you know?
Sigh.
If someone can no longer call herself a Christian and her ordination takes place in a purple (why was that an important detail?) Lutheran church and she deviates from Christian teaching on most major points, one might wonder why there is any media coverage for her schismatic group, but one definitely wonders why the story was framed as it was to begin with.