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VanSensei
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I like the way the LCMS thinks. They’re a good, orthodox people. They’re basically us minus the Latin, it seems.
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steve_b
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Thanks for the source.
I think it’s instructive the article puts this in perspective
I agree with that comment. While Ratzinger said that 30 years before he became pope, he obviously didn’t follow through with that idea after he was pope… It’s just my opinion, I don’t think using that quote in the future with other conversations will yeild any traction. At least in the way you’re trying to use it. But that’s just my :twocents:
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Tantum_ergo
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Wiki is not the most reliable of sources…
Furthermore, let’s just suppose that Father A, a priest for say 40 years, at about year 10 in his priesthood fell victim to the craziness of the time, advocated all sorts of new age silliness. . .and then about year 35, after 25 years of well publicized forays of upholding said silliness, quietly began to change his ways. Though never overtly renouncing his earlier works in print or publically, he quietly goes to Rome and confesses any flaws and from then on is, quietly, perfectly orthodox.
A point comes up in year 40. . .and the journalists check. Lo and behold, Father A, on questioning, is 'in good standing with Rome".
Therefore the journalists illogically assume that anything at any point from year 1-year 40 that Father A did (even during the heyday of his falling into the silliness phase) is also ‘in good standing’ now because Father is now in good standing. It is of course terribly illogical but that’s the way many think.
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EvangelCatholic
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But Richard Rohr, O.F.M. teaches at diocesan workshops. There are many voices in the Catholic Church.
Some of those restraints have kept us confessional. Curiously, I moved in the other direction, raised and educated LCA / ELCA.
The ELCA has in the past done some good work in ecumenism with Rome, and deserve credit for it. But they have also moved away from confessional teaching over the last few decades. I mentioned on another threa that, for Catholics, it must be frustrating to dialogue with what seems like a moving target. Moving away from our catholicity as Lutherans.
I respect your opinions, too, but contrary to your handle, which I use in my profile, what you are supporting is not evangelical (in the Lutheran sense) or catholic.
It might be unbecoming of us to spar in front of the Catholics, but in all honesty, your positions require a response.
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Well, I didn’t use it, but that said, it does hold out a light of hope, considering the trend toward greater understanding about our views on justification.
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EvangelCatholic
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The “sparing” is occurring throughout Lutheranism and Christendom, We trust the Good Shepherd guides His flock.
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Tantum_ergo
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Right. And not all of them, at all times, are voicing authentic teaching just because they happen to have credentials. I am not saying anything against Fr Rohr, may God bless him and all our priests, but I am saying that some priests, perhaps even most of them at one point or another, often with the best of intentions, have made human errors at some point in their lives, and thus to argue that because a priest might teach at a workshop means that everything he teaches, at any time, is thus totally and wholly and always in line with Catholic doctrine and dogma. . .is wrong.
We’ve had this from the start. Arius THOUGHT he was right, and more than half of the Catholic priests and bishops of the times went along with his teaching. . .but he was wrong, and so were they.
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EvangelCatholic
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Agree and why I am confused by posters who claim that those with differing views within the Roman Catholic church are not with Christ. Some on this forum speak in absolutes contrary to Papal intent.
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Porknpie
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Many voices yes, but there is One Faith. When voices depart from the One Faith they never change the One Faith, they just produce scandal, disunity and divide the body of Christ. Whether the Church decides to reprimand them is a separate decision.
Women can not be ordained in the Catholic Church no matter who or how many voices desire it to happen. It’s strictly a management issue with Christ as the head deciding.
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CopticChristian
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Richard Rohr and his acceptance of homosexuality, his dualism, and all of his teachings are not of Rome. Why do you look to Richard Rohr and not the Catechism?
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Porknpie
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Can have differing views on Church practices. Not on faith and morals. Faith and morals come from Christ through the Holy Spirit, that has guided the Church to all Truth.
Papal intent has never promoted disunity or a breaking from faith and morals.
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EvangelCatholic
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So are Catholic educators in the Church who disagree with you not following the “faith and morals”?
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CopticChristian
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Richard Rohr for sure is not and if you plan to launch a discussion of “dualism”…prepare yourself.So are Catholic educators in the Church who disagree with you not following the “faith and morals”?
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Faithdancer
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As far as I know Rohr was never out of “good standing with Rome.” That means very little these days.
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CopticChristian
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You present a confusion picture.
Your discipleship of Richard Rohr as it concerns popular opinion, dissidence, morality are one thing…
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Papal intent…
Who is it you look to for truth?
Richard Rohr or the Papacy?
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Porknpie
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If I am following the the Catechism and they are not then they are in error…and visa versa.So are Catholic educators in the Church who disagree with you not following the “faith and morals”?
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EvangelCatholic
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But are the bishops aware of what Richard Rohr teaches?
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CopticChristian
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It would appear that you do and you would do well to read the Catechism and jettison Richard Rohr.
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Porknpie
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No doubt that they do. IMHO, the Church however can be slow to admonish a priest (publicly).
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