Catholic word game: Old vs New

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Old: Holy Ghost
New: Holy Spirit

Priest
Presider

Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Liturgy

Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Liturgy of the Word

Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Liturgy of the Eucharist

Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Communal Meal

Holy Communion
Eucharist

Facing East
Facing the people

Confession
Reconciliation

Catholic Church
Worship space

Church Militant
?

Church Triumphant
?

Syllabus of Errors
?

High Altar
Table

Altar Rail
?

Altar Cards
?

Altar Bell
?

Chalice
Cup

Prayers at the Foot of the Altar
?

Last Gospel
?

Sermon
Homily

Altar Boys
Girl Altar Boys

Missal
Disposable Missalette

Salvation of Souls
Social Justice

Purgatory
?

Hell
?

Sin
?

Man
Human Person

Laymen
Laypeople

Sexual Morality
Theology of the Body

Genuflect
Bow

Protestant
Separated Brethren

Missionary
Ecumenist

Protestant Pentecostalism
Charismatic Renewal

Convent
Apartment

Habit
Polyester pantsuit

Cassock
Shirt & pants

Biretta
?

Got any of your own?
 
I think you totally missed on most of these.
Old: Holy Ghost
New: Holy Spirit
Yes, and the reason the English translation is Holy Spirit is that the word ‘ghost’ now has the primary meaning of a specter or phantasm. The word ‘spirit’ in modern English better expresses the Catholic teaching.
Priest
Presider
The Priest is still the Priest. It is his liturgical function that is referred to sometimes as presiding. And it is in many ways an apt description.
Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Liturgy

Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Liturgy of the Word

Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Liturgy of the Eucharist

Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Communal Meal
It is still referred to as the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. But, the word ‘Liturgy’ has been around since the beginning of the Church. The Liturgy of the Word and the Liturgy of the Eucharist refer to the main two divisions of the Catholic Mass – and every apostolic Liturgy is basically divided into those same two parts (under various titles).
Holy Communion
Eucharist
Ummm, the word Eucharist is of more ancient usage than Holy Communion. And both are still used today (as always).
Facing East
Facing the people
Ummm, this isn’t a case of translation, like your first example. And actually, ‘ad orientum’ (IIRC) isn’t absolutely in the east direction, but can refer to facing the Cross. For example, in my parish the high altar faces south and has since 1908.
Confession
Reconciliation
Both terms are still used as titles of that Sacrament. And each refers to a different aspect. One refers to the act of confessing our sins to the Priest, the latter refers to the effect of the Sacrament, reconciling us with God and His Church.
Catholic Church
Worship space
I have never seen the Catholic Church referred to as a ‘worship space’. Are you being silly or something? I have, on occasion, seen the nave of a church referred to as such, but the nave is not the Catholic Church.
Church Militant
?

Church Triumphant
?
These terms are still used.
Syllabus of Errors
?
Titles of previous works have changed names. The Syllabus of Errors is still called that just as Ineffabilis Deus is still under that same name.
High Altar
Table
Well, I guess from one point of view an altar really is just a type of table. But table is not a term generally used in the Church. The high altar, while still in many churches (my parish still has ours), doesn’t generally get used and instead a freestanding altar is used for several reasons (such as being able to fully incense around it).
Altar Rail
?
Another name, and more common in my experience, is a communion rail.
Altar Cards
?
Still called such.
Altar Bell
?
I’ve only ever heard them referred to as sanctus bells.
Chalice
Cup
Well, a chalice is a special type of cup. The present usage of the word ‘cup’ in areas such as the Eucharistic Prayer is a translation issue, one that will evaporate with the upcoming new translations.
Prayers at the Foot of the Altar
?
Yes, in the EF they are still referred to as the Prayers at the Foot of the Altar.
Last Gospel
?
Again, in the EF this would still be referred to as the Last Gospel.
Sermon
Homily
They were still called homilies way back when. For example, homily and homiletics appears in the 1903 Catholic Encyclopedia – sermon does not.
Altar Boys
Girl Altar Boys
‘Girl Altar Boys’ – are you aware that that makes no sense? The term is ‘altar servers’. Up until the '90s only males were permitted to serve the altar. The reasons behind admitting females need not be fleshed out here – only to say that the Church currently permits it and as such we owe our obedience to the Churches authority. Also, the term ‘altar boys’ cannot be used as the only term because there has always been plenty of grown men (boys by no means) who have served the altar.
Missal
Disposable Missalette
I’m not aware of any parish that handed out the Roman Missal to the laity in the pews. Certainly there were plenty who bought their own copy of a Sunday Missal – you can still buy them, but they weren’t handed out sitting in the pews (AFAIK).
Salvation of Souls
Social Justice
This is, more-or-less, apples and oranges. One contains the other but the other is not the total of the other (yeah, I lost track myself :p). The modern teachings on social justice began with Pope Leo XIII’s Rerum Novarum over 120 years ago.
Purgatory
?
It’s still called Purgatory.
It’s still called hell.
And it’s still called sin.
Man
Human Person
Are you referring to an individual or mankind in general? Assuming you are referring to an individual, is not a man a human? Is not a man a person?
 
Laymen
Laypeople
Again, are we referring to individuals or in generics?
Sexual Morality
Theology of the Body
The latter is a specific and concrete application of the former but it encompasses more than just sexual ethos.
Genuflect
Bow
Both terms are still used and there are still times that you use one or the other.
Protestant
Separated Brethren
Well, they are our brethren and unless I missed one of the biggest news stories of the century, we’re still not in communion.
Missionary
Ecumenist
Both terms are still used, and they refer to different things. A missionary is one who goes to a non-Christian territory to proclaim the Gospel. An ecumenist is one who goes to a non-Catholic territory to persuade our separated brethren to come into full union with the Church.
Protestant Pentecostalism
Charismatic Renewal
These refer to two completely different things.
Convent
Apartment
A convent is a convent and an apartment is an apartment. An apartment doesn’t become a convent just by the presence of a religious sister.
Habit
Polyester pantsuit
Same as above. A pantsuit doesn’t become a habit just because of the person who wears it.
Cassock
Shirt & pants
These are getting just plain ridiculous.
Biretta
?
Would still be called such.

Most of your ‘old vs new terms’ are just plain ludicrous.
 
Thanks for doing all the legwork there, Coder.

I assume the original poster simply ran out of examples of old-versus-new “words” after seven or eight and just decided to pad out the list with old-versus-new practices or things he doesn’t think are presently emphasized enough, but it gave me a laugh that you treated his examples so straightforwardly. 😃

Some of the examples are just out there: “Liturgy” as a novel term? Now, I’ve seen “worship space” used, but we have to remember that plenty of Catholic worship takes place in oratories, chapels, shrines, and the like – places which are decidedly not churches. If you want to discuss all of them collectively, you can either (a) inaccurately call them “churches,” (b) repeatedly list them all, or (c) find another term generic enough to encompass them all. “Worship space” suits the last option.

That was just one example that stuck out at me.
 
Old: Holy Ghost
New: Holy Spirit
Why should we prefer a German-derived word to a Latin-derived word? Sounds pretty Lutheran to me. The real word is Spiritus – it’s the German translation of that that is Geist.

Holy Ghost → Holy Spirit is a well-deserved step forward in my book, as well as being a step “backward” toward the Latin original.
 
Narthex
Gathering Space

Introit Antiphon
Opening Song

Kyrie
Penitential Rite

?
1st Reading

Epistle
2nd Reading

Gradual
Responsorial Psalm

Alleluia
Gospel Acclamation

Credo
Profession of Faith

Offertory
Preparation of the Gifts

Agnus Dei
Fraction Rite

?
Memorial Acclamation

Missal
Sacramentary and Lectionary

?
Sound system

Extreme Unction
Anointing of the Sick

Matins
Office of Readings

Lauds
Morning Prayer

Terce/Sext/None
Mid-day Prayer(s)

Vespers
Evening Prayer

Compline
Night Prayer

Ejaculations
?

Aspergellum
Flinger-thingy 🙂
 
Kyrie
Penitential Rite
The Kyrie is specifically Greek. If it is not being said in Greek, Penitential Rite is completely apt. What’s the problem?
Agnus Dei
Fraction Rite
What the blazing hootenany is a Fraction Rite? Always heard it called “Agnus Dei.”
Lauds
Morning Prayer
Terce/Sext/None
Mid-day Prayer(s)
Vespers
Evening Prayer
Compline
Night Prayer
Never seen them labeled as anything other than their Latin names except when explaining them to or being used by non-Catholics, and sometimes when explaining them to younger people.
Aspergellum
Flinger-thingy
Facetiousness will get one far in the world, but I think it’s still called the Aspergellum.
 
Pretty good, but the nitpicker that I am, I can’t help but do this list too. 🙂
Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Liturgy
Come on! What makes you think that applying the term leitourgia/liturgia to the sacrifice is ‘new’? The Christians at the East using the Byzantine Rite have been offering the Divine Liturgy, which incidentally contains the following passage, for years now! 🤷

We also thank you for this liturgy (τῆς Λειτουργίας ταύτης) which you are pleased to accept from our hands, even though you are surrounded by thousands of Archangels and tens of thousands of Angels, by the Cherubim and Seraphim, six-winged, many-eyed, soaring with their wings, singing the victory hymn, proclaiming, crying out, and saying: Holy, Holy, Holy
Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Liturgy of the Word
No, no, no. The old term is Missa Catechumenorum! 😉
Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Liturgy of the Eucharist
Missa Fidelium. 😉
Holy Communion
Eucharist
Once again, not new.
Chalice
Cup
And I think both are fine renderings for the Latin calix (‘wine-cup’). The former is a calque, the latter a translation.
Altar Rail
?
I like 'em when they were called Rood Screens, Lettner, Jubé or Doksaal. Templon’s not bad either. Nah, just joking. 😃
Sermon
Homily
Once again, NOT NEW this one is.
Altar Boys
Girl Altar Boys
‘Girl Altar Boys’?? Admittedly, I don’t like the idea of Altar Girls, but the construction is just awkward, and oxymoronic (we can debate here how whether ‘Girl Altar Boys’ are to be considered male or female: i.e. whether we should read it as ‘GIRL Altar Boys’ or ‘Girl Altar BOYS’ :p).
Man
Human Person
Laymen
Laypeople
I agree that saying ‘laypeople’ or ‘humankind’ are rather lame. 😉
 
Introit Antiphon
Opening Song
The Antiphona ad Introitum, also known as the Antiphona ad Praelegendum, Officium or the Ingressa in other Western liturgies.
Gradual
Responsorial Psalm
If you’re into more archaic English, this one would be the ‘Grail’.
Credo
Profession of Faith
What about Symbolum Fidei? 😃
?
Memorial Acclamation
Missal
Sacramentary and Lectionary
The idea of using a missale plenum in a Mass is God’s gift to man, aren’t they? Before they were invented, you had to use the Evangelarium for the Epistle, the Epistolarium for the Gospel, the Sacramentarium and the Graduale for the Gradual in a single Mass.
 
Good lists. I could feel the life draining out of me as I read them.

As to their detractors: if it’s been called a spade for a thousand years, calling it an ‘earth displacement tool’, while technically correct:

a) Makes for a disconnect with tradition;
b) Confuses both the ignorant and those familiar with the older word;
c) Makes the meaning bland;
d) Makes something simple more difficult to understand;
e) Is just downright meddlesome!


And some of those words were just jokes, thrown in for fun: e.g. pant-suit wearing nuns living in apartments.

Swopping ‘Liturgy of the Eucharist’ for ‘Holy Sacrifice of the Mass’ is just dumb. You see the same sort of pseudo-technical blather in public service documents.

Well spotted. I had wondered where these bland terms had come from. **One more attempt to sever us from Tradition, at all costs, I think. ‘Sacrament of Reconciliation’? Makes it sound like having a nice chat over a cup of tea, instead of the exorcism that it truly is.
**
 
Good lists. I could feel the life draining out of me as I read them.

As to their detractors: if it’s been called a spade for a thousand years, calling it an ‘earth displacement tool’, while technically correct:

a) Makes for a disconnect with tradition;
b) Confuses both the ignorant and those familiar with the older word;
c) Makes the meaning bland;
d) Makes something simple more difficult to understand;
e) Is just downright meddlesome!
But many of them, as has been pointed out, aren’t particularly new - ‘Ghost’ vs ‘Spirit’ or ‘Liturgy’ v ‘Mass’ being two examples.

In those cases it’s a matter of ‘shovel’ v ‘spade’ - two ways of describing essentially the same thing, both of which are well understood.
 
Old: Holy Ghost
New: Holy Spirit

Priest
Presider

Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Liturgy

Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Liturgy of the Word

Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Liturgy of the Eucharist

Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
Communal Meal

Holy Communion
Eucharist

Facing East
Facing the people

Confession
Reconciliation

Catholic Church
Worship space

Church Militant
?

Church Triumphant
?

Syllabus of Errors
?

High Altar
Table

Altar Rail
?

Altar Cards
?

Altar Bell
?

Chalice
Cup

Prayers at the Foot of the Altar
?

Last Gospel
?

Sermon
Homily

Altar Boys
Girl Altar Boys

Missal
Disposable Missalette

Salvation of Souls
Social Justice

Purgatory
?

Hell
?

Sin
?

Man
Human Person

Laymen
Laypeople

Sexual Morality
Theology of the Body

Genuflect
Bow

Protestant
Separated Brethren

Missionary
Ecumenist

Protestant Pentecostalism
Charismatic Renewal

Convent
Apartment

Habit
Polyester pantsuit

Cassock
Shirt & pants

Biretta
?

Got any of your own?
One thing that should be evident, friend, judging from responses you have received, is the one thing that hasn’t changed is that a modernist is still a modernist, a liberal is still a liberal, and it is of no importance whatsoever how much Latin or Chant they wrap their responses in, they are still misleading the faithful. St Pius X, pray for us.
 
“I went to Reconciliation on Saturday, before the Liturgy Of The Word on Sunday, which was celebrating the transferred feast of Ascension Thursday. We sang the Gospel Acclamation and said the Profession of Faith. Then I stood in line for Eucharist from Mrs Goodlady, while the band played Andrew Lloyd Webber’s requiem, Pie Jesu.”

To the lifeboat of the TLM, I say. Enough is enough!

PS: ‘Holy Ghost’ has its uses. It won’t be confused with ‘Spirit’ or ‘The Spirit’, which some Catholics feel is moving them.
 
Narthex
Gathering Space
In my parish, it’s been called the vestibule since the early 1900s.
Introit Antiphon
Opening Song
If a hymn is used in lieu of the introit (which is fairly common in the OF) it can’t be called properly the introit anymore. It is thus called the opening song/hymn or processional song/hymn.
Kyrie
Penitential Rite
The Kyrie is part of the Penitential Rite, but there is more in the Pentitential Rite than just the Kyrie, such as the Confiteor.
?
1st Reading
Yes, there are more scriptural readings in the OF.
Epistle
2nd Reading
It is still called the epistle, but reading is just as apt a term – is it not a reading from Scripture?
Gradual
Responsorial Psalm
The Gradual and the Responsorial Psalm are not the same thing.
Alleluia
Gospel Acclamation
The Gospel Acclamation is a part of singing the Alleluia.
Credo
Profession of Faith
What is a creed but a profession of faith?
Offertory
Preparation of the Gifts
Still called offertory. But, during the offertory the Priest prepares the gifts that have been offered.
Agnus Dei
Fraction Rite
These are not the same thing. And the Fraction Rite was present in the EF as well (as it is in every apostolic Liturgy I’ve experienced). In the EF, it occurs right after the Pater Noster with the Libera Nos and the Per Eumdem Dominum. The Priest then proceeds to the Conmingling followed by the Agnus Dei. In the OF, the Fraction Rite takes place between the Sign of Peace and the Agnus Dei.
?
Memorial Acclamation
No, I don’t believe that the Memorial Acclamation, also called the Mystery of Faith, is a part of the EF.
Missal
Sacramentary and Lectionary
The history of the books for the Liturgy has a complicated and mind spinning history. Currently, the liturgical book that contains all the readings of Scripture and such is called the Lectionary. The liturgical book that contains all the propers and the order of Mass, etc. is called the Roman Missal (the Holy See has asked that the name Sacramentary no longer be used.
?
Sound system
Seeing how this is new technology, I don’t see how it could have an ‘old’ name. This topic was hashed out here.
Extreme Unction
Anointing of the Sick
Yes, the Sacrament is now generally referred to as the Anointing of the Sick. And that is what takes place, the sick are anointed with the sacred oils consecrated at the annual Chrism Mass.
Matins
Office of Readings

Lauds
Morning Prayer

Terce/Sext/None
Mid-day Prayer(s)

Vespers
Evening Prayer

Compline
Night Prayer
All names are still used. The English terms are for the time of day they are prayed with the exception of the Office of Readings (which can be prayed at any time of day, but is generally the first office of the day). The Office of Readings is thus called because it is filled with a lot more readings (from Scripture and Church Fathers) than any of the other offices. I think I once heard it referred to long ago as the Office of Lessons.
Ejaculations
?
Yes, that term is generally no longer used. Perhaps because our society is too immature to handle such a word (it has other juvenile connotations).
Aspergellum
Flinger-thingy 🙂
Thanks for telling us the Latin name. I’m pretty sure you just pulled the ‘new’ term out of thin air. When I was an altar server, we just referred to it as the ‘bowl’ or the ‘bowl with water’.
 
PS: ‘Holy Ghost’ has its uses. It won’t be confused with ‘Spirit’ or ‘The Spirit’, which some Catholics feel is moving them.
Precisely. The Latin “spritus” (“breath”) seems to be more definite than the English “spirit” which can mean a host of things, including poor theology.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit

Holy Ghost, while having spooky overtones today, may still be more precise than Holy Spirit. Certainly it doesn’t sound as bad in Polish: w imię Ojca, i Syna, i Ducha Świętego
 
PS: ‘Holy Ghost’ has its uses. It won’t be confused with ‘Spirit’ or ‘The Spirit’, which some Catholics feel is moving them.
Precisely. The Latin “spritus” (“breath”) seems to be more definite than the English “spirit” which can mean a host of things, including poor theology.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit

Holy Ghost, while having spooky overtones today, may still be more precise than Holy Spirit. Certainly it doesn’t sound as bad in Polish: w imię Ojca, i Syna, i Ducha Świętego
 
One thing that should be evident, friend, judging from responses you have received, is the one thing that hasn’t changed is that a modernist is still a modernist, a liberal is still a liberal, and it is of no importance whatsoever how much Latin or Chant they wrap their responses in, they are still misleading the faithful. St Pius X, pray for us.
Indeed. Pray for us who are suffering under the severe wackiness that was wracked upon them for years now.
 
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