Catholicism - A Hate Crime in Canada?

[rascal_one]

We are not far from this kind of senario - In America some politicians WANT to sensor only certain media deemed unfriendly to their views with what is called “The Fairness Doctrine”.

Scary.

 

[jdnation]

I hate to say it but I doubt we can count on anyone in government to really help us. Not Liberals, not the Conservatives, no-one. Those who want to oppose Catholic morality are freely doing so and making great efforts to eradicate it. Those who still support morality are only sitting back quietly, or they’ll make promises that they are unlikely to enforce or ever carry through.

I never hold much hope when voting, it’s always usually a choice between the lesser of two evils. God was right, it’s only going to get worse and nothing short of Him coming back and setting things right will change this trend… The world needs a rude awakening… not so much because we sin all the time, but because we’re slowly trying to justify our sins as being good and moral.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

Looks like the leftist “kangaroo court” is at it again:
I only live a few miles from the Canadian border and I will not be crossing into there any time soon. In addition, I will not be buying anything made in Canada.

It depends on the actual words and context used.

Father defended the Church’s teaching on marriage during Canada’s same-sex ‘marriage’ debate, quoting extensively from the Bible, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, and Pope John Paul II’s encyclicals. Each of these documents contains official Catholic teaching. And like millions of other people throughout the world and the ages - many of who are non-Catholics and non-Christians — Father believes that marriage is an exclusive union between a man and a woman.

You can use the writings in a way to incite violence and prejudice. Nowhere in the story is the exact context quoted but we can infer by the complaint it was used in a context that some could take (based on their internal weaknesses) to incite violence and prejudice against others.

To defend the priest we first need to know his exact words and context in relation to the complaint.

 

[JimG]

Here’s another link to a story about this.
zenit.org/article-21689?l=english
It would seem that not only is the accused guilty unless proved innocent, the accuser has all costs paid for by the government.

How long before we get this in the United States?

 

[peregrinus_WA]

Bishop Henry has it right:

In the end, Bishop Henry feels that Canada’s human rights tribunals are censoring the expression of traditional Christian teaching: “The social climate right now is that we’re into a new form of censorship and thought control, and the commissions are being used as thought police.”

The Secular Relativists hates religion because they know they will lose unless they eliminate religion. The perversions of the Relativists are in direct conflict with God’s law and that is why they must be resisted and eliminated as an influence in today’s society.

 

[Phemie]

I don’t know how many private religious schools there are in NF; I am only aware of St Bon’s, which used to be Irish Christian Bros, but was bought (I believe) by the Jesuits when the schools were secularized and the Society lost Gonzaga. I don’t know if the same ruling would apply to them, should a similar situation arise.

There are 3 private Catholic schools in NL:

• St. Bon’s in St. John’s;
• Immaculate Heart of Mary in Corner Brook;
• Holy Cross in St. Alban’s – AFAIK, it’s the only school in the community and they simply refused to stop being a Catholic school back in '98 and continued to run their village school as a private school.

Then there are 3 other private schools, only one religion based:

• Lakecrest, St. John’s Independent School – they don’t take just anyone who can pay;
• First Baptist Academy, Mount Pearl;
• E.G. Lambert School in Churchill Falls – that one belongs to the same company that runs the town.

No, I don’t think any of those would be forced to do what that Ontario school was forced to do.

 

[Rosemary54]

Hi all…
I understand the contempt all of you feel towards what is happening in Canada. As a Canadian, I too am appalled.

Please don’t judge all Canadians for this stupidity… There are MANY CHRISTIANS AND CATHOLICS in Canada… and we are aware of the problem, we are taking steps to try to alliviate this… but… the powers in control are not Christian based… those who push this propaganda are in charge, until the Canadian people step up and vote to change this, it will continue.

It will happen here too…or have you not noticed the things happening here in the United States… Gay marriages, no to Christmas… etc…

Let’s pray for all of us…

Don’t talk too soon as it will hit your doorsteps next.

 

[twf]

Here in British Columbia the Catholic schools are technically private but receive 50% government funding. I’m not sure of the legal ramifications.

 

[Crow]

Here in British Columbia the Catholic schools are technically private but receive 50% government funding. I’m not sure of the legal ramifications.

Regardless of funding the goverments and gay activists will not stop until they exercise control over the content being taught.

 

[onetimeposter]

Were/are you in favor of Marc Hall taking his gay lover to the Catholic High School Prom?

The school does not have the right to discriminate based upon a persons homosexuality.

Everyone is equal under the law and that is why the courts ruled in his favour.

The school was blatantly discriminatory, solely because a student was bringing a same sex date to a dance.

 

[onetimeposter]

Regardless of funding the goverments and gay activists will not stop until they exercise control over the content being taught.

Uhm…I don’t know where your getting that. The only thing homosexuals want is equality. What homosexual content is taught in schools…in canada?

Gay marriage and Homosexuality exists in canada…news flash…these things take place in real life! So yes, teach the kids about them…teach them all about real life…or hide it all from them, keep them safe in a nice warm fundamentalist Christian bubble.

 

[Neil_Anthony]

Were/are you in favor of Marc Hall taking his gay lover to the Catholic High School Prom?

No

 

[childofmary1143]

The school does not have the right to discriminate based upon a persons homosexuality.

Everyone is equal under the law and that is why the courts ruled in his favour.

The school was blatantly discriminatory, solely because a student was bringing a same sex date to a dance.

Well the Constitution would suggest otherwise. Catholic schools were enshrined in the Constitution and we also have the Charter of Rights were I read FREEDOM OF RELIGION. I don’t see Freedom to take whomever to your Prom. Perhaps you could point that one out to me? A Catholic School is an extension of Catholic Faith.

A question I would pose is this: Why would Marc Hall, an openly practicing Homosexual, want to attend a Catholic School? Surely he knew that his lifestyle was being condemned by the faith that he supposely embraces. Perhaps that whole stunt of his was deliberately done to force his lifestyle down on the School and the School board.

What the Courts should have done is told him that he should have entered the Public School Board where this issue would not have arisen.

 

[onetimeposter]

Well the Constitution would suggest otherwise. Catholic schools were enshrined in the Constitution and we also have the Charter of Rights were I read FREEDOM OF RELIGION. I don’t see Freedom to take whomever to your Prom.

Equality Rights

Section 15(1) of the Charter:

1. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law** without discrimination **and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

ection 2 of the Charter.

Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

a) freedom of conscience and religion

The freedom of religion in a publically funded Catholic School must be balanced towards treating all persons equally under the law.

It is a publically funded school and one does not have to be a Catholic or adhear to any Catholic teaching in order to attend. In Canada, Muslims do attend and are free to attend Catholic school.

Did the school forbid teenagers from attending the prom who use artificial birth control or are having pre-marital sex? No they did not, as they singled out the sin of homosexuality and acted a discriminatory manner towards him.

A question I would pose is this: Why would Marc Hall, an openly practicing Homosexual, want to attend a Catholic School? Surely he knew that his lifestyle was being condemned by the faith that he supposely embraces. Perhaps that whole stunt of his was deliberately done to force his lifestyle down on the School and the School board.

Why would he attend a Catholic School? It is his right in the Pronvince of Ontario Canada and the School board cannot discriminate against him for his legal same sex attraction.

It does not matter if he agree’s or disagree’s with the Catholic position on homosexuality…he has the right to attend that school and the school cannot discriminate against him based upon his legal same sex attraction.

What the Courts should have done is told him that he should have entered the Public School Board where this issue would not have arisen.

Imgaine if the courts had taken your point of view during the civil rights movement.

The issue remains, he has the right to attend a publically funded Catholic School regardless of his views on homosexuality.

From the decision

If the Board’s view was correct, then section 93 would mean that Catholic schools had unfettered authority to do whatever they like on any matter. That is not the law . In 1867, homosexual activity was viewed both as a crime and as a sickness. Today it is viewed as neither. Canadians’ understanding of human behaviour and of its people has changed over the last 135 years.

The proper approach is to look at the rights as they existed in 1867 but then to apply 2002 common sense. In 2002, a School Board’s legal authority (whether public or separate) is part of our provincial public educational system which is publicly funded by tax dollars and publicly regulated by the province."

 

[childofmary1143]

Equality Rights

Section 15(1) of the Charter:

1. (1) Every individual is equal before and under the law and has the right to the equal protection and equal benefit of the law** without discrimination **and, in particular, without discrimination based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, sex, age or mental or physical disability.

Since homosexuality isn’t mentioned then that means he can’t claim special protection.

Section 2 of the Charter.

Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

a) freedom of conscience and religion

Ah yes I remember reading that.

The freedom of religion in a publically funded Catholic School must be balanced towards treating all persons equally under the law.

Is this mentioned in the Charter or are you a jurist?

It is a publically funded school and one does not have to be a Catholic or adhear to any Catholic teaching in order to attend. In Canada, Muslims do attend and are free to attend Catholic school.

It is a publically funded school by choice. If you don’t believe in what Catholicism teaches, then don’t fund it, and if you do then don’t be so shocked when the school board upholds what it professes to believe.

Did the school forbid teenagers from attending the prom who use artificial birth control or are having pre-marital sex? No they did not, as they singled out the sin of homosexuality and acted a discriminatory manner towards him.

Well I sure would like to know how a school board could possibly be expected to know who is having sex with whom or are on the pill unless you think they should conduct a witch hunt? They singled out the sin of homosexuality as he brought it to the attention of the Principal. What did you expect him to do? Deny what he heard?

Why would he attend a Catholic School? It is his right in the Pronvince of Ontario Canada and the School board cannot discriminate against him for his legal same sex attraction.

They can and do have the right to enforce a Catholic learning environment.

It does not matter if he agree’s or disagree’s with the Catholic position on homosexuality…he has the right to attend that school and the school cannot discriminate against him based upon his legal same sex attraction.

Nobody is kicking him out of the school. That doesn’t mean he can take whomever he wants to the Prom.

Imgaine if the courts had taken your point of view during the civil rights movement.

Irrelevant.

The issue remains, he has the right to attend a publically funded Catholic School regardless of his views on homosexuality.

True, but the School has the right to enforce a Catholic learning environment.

From the decision

If the Board’s view was correct, then section 93 would mean that Catholic schools had unfettered authority to do whatever they like on any matter. That is not the law . In 1867, homosexual activity was viewed both as a crime and as a sickness. Today it is viewed as neither. Canadians’ understanding of human behaviour and of its people has changed over the last 135 years.

Well some people (a lot actually) see homosexuality as a sickness.

The proper approach is to look at the rights as they existed in 1867 but then to apply 2002 common sense. In 2002, a School Board’s legal authority (whether public or separate) is part of our provincial public educational system which is publicly funded by tax dollars and publicly regulated by the province."

Smoking is legal too, but schools have the right to ban it.

 

[onetimeposter]

Since homosexuality isn’t mentioned then that means he can’t claim special protection.

Ah yes I remember reading that.

Is this mentioned in the Charter or are you a jurist?

Nope.

It is a publically funded school by choice. If you don’t believe in what Catholicism teaches, then don’t fund it, and if you do then don’t be so shocked when the school board upholds what it professes to believe.

The courts disagree with you and courts opinion matters.

Well I sure would like to know how a school board could possibly be expected to know who is having sex with whom or are on the pill unless you think they should conduct a witch hunt? They singled out the sin of homosexuality as he brought it to the attention of the Principal. What did you expect him to do? Deny what he heard?

Willful blindness. Everyone is a sinner, the school singled out the sin of homosexuality. Hypocritical.

They can and do have the right to enforce a Catholic learning environment.

**So long as they don’t discriminate against an individuals legal same sex attraction.
**

Nobody is kicking him out of the school. That doesn’t mean he can take whomever he wants to the Prom.

So long as he is breaking no laws, he may bring whom ever he wants to the prom in a publically funded school.

Irrelevant.
**
Very relevant. The bible was used to defend slavery.**

Well some people (a lot actually) see homosexuality as a sickness.
**
Their belief, no matter how incorrect or ill informed, does not give them the right to discriminate people based upon their opinion.**

Smoking is legal too, but schools have the right to ban it.

The Smoke Free Ontario Act prohibits smoking on all school property in the province…private and public. Smoking tobacco and homosexuality…apples and oranges.

 

[sidious]

You got to love the idiocy of some of the posters here actually professing to be Catholics while condemning its most basic teachings.

Its like supporting Al-Qaeda in philosophy but are opposed to using violence.

They would probably argue with God over what is right and wrong.

 

[onetimeposter]

You got to love the idiocy of some of the posters here actually professing to be Catholics while condemning its most basic teachings.

Its like supporting Al-Qaeda in philosophy but are opposed to using violence.

They would probably argue with God over what is right and wrong.

A publically funded Catholic School may not discriminate based upon a persons legal same sex attraction.

I believe that the most basic teaching of Christianity is love thy neighbour and not condemn the sinner as you are suggesting.

If any comments represent idiocy…yours may very well be it.

 

[Shoshana]

You are exactly right.

The opponents of Christianity and especially Catholicism is using the as a bludgeon to silence, and ultimately criminalize, Christianity because it is in direct opposition to the immorality perpetrated by the Relativism of the left. When they are done with Christianity, they will go after other that they are using as their “allies” if they do not fit their agenda.

You are right on! Except this is found not only in Canada but in the US also. There is not too much difference between the two countries. So, why the angst against Canada alone WA? We have many, many good bishops (Henry for one) and priests who teach and preach orthodox catholcism. Just like you do…

We share many leftist propaganda…abortion, same-sex marriage, hookers, drugs, murder (which is increasing here), adultery, thieves, all kinds of perversion is found in both countries. And some of it is being legalized in both countries.

I love my country and i know many good catholics and christians. Canada could not exist without the US and the opposite is true also. Although, i believe that Canada will become another american state.

I also know many americans who are ashamed of their country as i am of my country…but we still love the nation that God gave us!

 

[sidious]

A publically funded Catholic School may not discriminate based upon a persons legal same sex attraction.

I believe that the most basic teaching of Christianity is love thy neighbour and not condemn the sinner as you are suggesting.

If any comments represent idiocy…yours may very well be it.

Legally I guess they can’t, but if Society is to survive it must condmenn Homosexuality. As for what you believe in Christianity I don’t care as you don’t really know or want to know what it truly teaches as you think that homosexuality is okay and are stupid enough to think you can be a Good Catholic and believe that.