Catholicism - A Hate Crime in Canada?

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sidious said:
Legally I guess they can’t, but if Society is to survive it must condmenn Homosexuality. As for what you believe in Christianity I don’t care as you don’t really know or want to know what it truly teaches as you think that homosexuality is okay and are stupid enough to think you can be a Good Catholic and believe that.
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I am smart enough to know that society has survived for tens of thousands of years with homosexuals living amongst our midst.

I am smart enough to know you are simply spewing what you have been told and that you likely are incapable of your own thoughts.

I am smart enough to know that you are either afraid of homosexuals or you are bigoted against them.

I am smart enough to know that homosexuals are people and not a plague to be gotten rid of.

I am smart enough to know that you likely have low self esteem, as you are quick to call people who disagree with you ’ stupid’.

Good day. 👍
 
Shoshana said:
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I love my country and i know many good catholics and christians. Canada could not exist without the US and the opposite is true also. Although, i believe that Canada will become another american state.
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No offense, but – God forbid! :gopray2:
 
A Catholic school, no matter what the funding, has a right to be run according to Catholic values. No one should be surprised that a Catholic school would follow the Church’s teachings. I do not honestly care for the authority of court rulings if they are contrary to the moral law of God. In the course of history, many governments have acted immorally, The laws of man cannot be given moral authority. They are neither sacred nor infallible.

I have no doubt that those who support Canada’s current legal trends only do so because it suits them. If the situation was different, they might well not be so keen to tout court decisions and the like.

It is a fallacy to claim that homosexuality was singled out by the school. The fact is that what the student was trying to do was obvious and in the open. If there were students intending on engaging in premarital sex or the use of birth control, I somehow doubt they would have made it known to the school authorities. The school would most likely have punished the open exhibition of those sins. But they cannot deal with what they do not know about.

As to how homosexuals are treated, helping a person towards sin and self-destruction is not loving. Somehow, people confuse “love” with “permissiveness”. Yet to refuse to give legitimacy to the very gravely sinful and harmful behavior of homosexual practice is the actual way of love, for it seeks what is best for the person.

Of course, the way of the secular world is to legitimize and even praise depravity while despising righteousness. So naturally it is going to be more popular to be permissive towards sin. And those who stand with God, with that which is good and righteous, will suffer attack for their faithfulness. But it is those faithful in whom God is pleased.
 
Steeltemplar said:
It is a fallacy to claim that homosexuality was singled out by the school. The fact is that what the student was trying to do was obvious and in the open. If there were students intending on engaging in premarital sex or the use of birth control, I somehow doubt they would have made it known to the school authorities.
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IIRC, the argument at the time was that pregnant students weren’t prevented from going to the prom with the father of their child – seemingly a double standard.
 
Phemie said:
IIRC, the argument at the time was that pregnant students weren’t prevented from going to the prom with the father of their child – seemingly a double standard.
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If it is examined closely, though, it can be seen that it is no double standard. Going to the prom pregnant is not a sin. Neither is doing so with the father of the child. An act of sin may have caused the pregnancy, but the pregnancy itself is not sinful.

And if the father wants to stay with the young woman who is bearing his child, that is no wrongdoing either.
 
rascal_one said:
We are not far from this kind of senario - In America some politicians WANT to sensor only certain media deemed unfriendly to their views with what is called “The Fairness Doctrine”.

Scary.
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You are so correct that the US is not far behind. All it takes is a few people in very powerful positions to accomplish this. In Canada I read it was 4.
Bishops do not get the press to air their views. That should not be seen as a sign of silence. Its like saying there is no pro life march because the secular press do not cover it.
Perhaps in this century this is our test of faithfulness.
 
Steeltemplar said:
A Catholic school, no matter what the funding, has a right to be run according to Catholic values. No one should be surprised that a Catholic school would follow the Church’s teachings. I do not honestly care for the authority of court rulings if they are contrary to the moral law of God. In the course of history, many governments have acted immorally, The laws of man cannot be given moral authority. They are neither sacred nor infallible.

I wonder if people had your same attitude when they were defending slavery and segregation?

I have no doubt that those who support Canada’s current legal trends only do so because it suits them. If the situation was different, they might well not be so keen to tout court decisions and the like.
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We are law abiding citizens and we accept the principals of common law and the decisions of the Supreme Court.**

It is a fallacy to claim that homosexuality was singled out by the school. The fact is that what the student was trying to do was obvious and in the open. If there were students intending on engaging in premarital sex or the use of birth control, I somehow doubt they would have made it known to the school authorities. The school would most likely have punished the open exhibition of those sins. But they cannot deal with what they do not know about.

Frightening that you believe that a Catholic Schools role is to punish sinners.

As to how homosexuals are treated, helping a person towards sin and self-destruction is not loving. Somehow, people confuse “love” with “permissiveness”. Yet to refuse to give legitimacy to the very gravely sinful and harmful behavior of homosexual practice is the actual way of love, for it seeks what is best for the person.

**I’m not certain how homosexuality affects you. **

Of course, the way of the secular world is to legitimize and even praise depravity while despising righteousness. So naturally it is going to be more popular to be permissive towards sin. And those who stand with God, with that which is good and righteous, will suffer attack for their faithfulness. But it is those faithful in whom God is pleased.
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One could argue, it is the way of the just world and an effort to end the discrimination of people living within the law of the land.
 
Steeltemplar said:
If it is examined closely, though, it can be seen that it is no double standard. Going to the prom pregnant is not a sin. Neither is doing so with the father of the child. An act of sin may have caused the pregnancy, but the pregnancy itself is not sinful.

And if the father wants to stay with the young woman who is bearing his child, that is no wrongdoing either.
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Your looking for the silver lining. This youth was singled out because he is out of the closet.
 
You are so correct that the US is not far behind. All it takes is a few people in very powerful positions to accomplish this. In Canada I read it was 4.

4 what?? What are you talking about?
st_julie said:
Bishops do not get the press to air their views. That should not be seen as a sign of silence. Its like saying there is no pro life march because the secular press do not cover it.
Perhaps in this century this is our test of faithfulness.
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So it’s the media’s fault? If the press refuses to air their messages, perhaps the Church should find another means to get their messages out…maybe the actual Church Goers could spread the message!!!

Much more effective!
 
onetimeposter said:
I wonder if people had your same attitude when they were defending slavery and segregation?
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This sort of response is really without merit. It is really nothing more than an ad hominem dressed up as a legitimate argument. In truth, based on your thinking, anything could be justified because you are making a god out of secular thought. In fact, I could just as easily say that your attitude would fit perfectly with those who defended slavery and segregation.
We are law abiding citizens and we accept the principals of common law and the decisions of the Supreme Court.
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Oh, I see. Well, you know, slavery and segregation used to be legal. You are saying you would abide by such laws?

It is as I said, the law of man cannot hold moral authority.
Frightening that you believe that a Catholic Schools role is to punish sinners.
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So you do not think that a school has a right and duty to keep moral order among the students when they are in its care? I certainly would not want children of mine going to a school you ran.

Obviously, the school is responsible for what goes on any time students are under their supervision. Outside of that, it is different. But, yes, gravely sinful conduct should naturally be prevented by the school while the students are in their care - that includes at the prom.
I’m not certain how homosexuality affects you.
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I did not say it effects me. However, it is gravely harmful to anyone who practices it - to their mortal life and their soul. Loving someone does not mean approving of behavior which is harmful to them just because they think they want it.
One could argue, it is the way of the just world and an effort to end the discrimination of people living within the law of the land.
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Argue that if you want. I stand with the Holy Church and around 2000 years of tradition.
 
onetimeposter said:
So it’s the media’s fault? If the press refuses to air their messages, perhaps the Church should find another means to get their messages out…maybe the actual Church Goers could spread the message!!!

Much more effective!
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What do you think we are doing here? 😛

There are a whole lot of actual church goers here supporting the Church’s teachings.
 
peregrinus_WA said:
Looks like the leftist “kangaroo court” is at it again:
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This just shows what happens when we introduce non-indigenous species into a new environment. The kangaroos have goofed up the high courts in Canada just like they’ve fouled up the courts in the USA. The liberal roos know how to use the legal system to achieve their ends.
 
There is a fact that was not yet metnionned to my knowledge which may have weigth.

In Ontario at least, a property owner has the leniancy to decide wether to fund public or catholic schools.

I personally insist on funding Catholic schools and expect the schools to adhere to and teach Catholic doctrine.

If one does not support the Catholic doctrine, as an option, why wouldn’t they fund and attend public school?

The point is that ‘catholic school boards being funded by the public’ is moot and of no consequence. Those who fund catholic schools fund them by choice, and vise versa for public shools.

And finally, why wouldn’t I have the right to send my children (3 of them) to a Catholic school that enforces Catholic teachings equally to every student? That IS what I want for my children.
A child being exempt from this enforcement and blatantly and publicly expressing his homosexuality on school grounds would be contrary to my right - especially considering that there IS a legitimate alternative in public schooling.
 
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