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Rau
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No - your post 76 was simple overreach,Obviously, all the effort I put into my posts has been ignored.
And just as obviously, some, not all, basic Catholicism has been ignored.
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grannymh
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Overreach?
That is possible since Bradski did not clarify what needed rejection.
The sad thing is that today, current Catholics have trouble connecting the dots to really big trouble. This is how the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition, explains the danger.
CCC 389, last sentence.
“The Church, which has the mind of Christ, knows very well that we cannot tamper with the revelation of original sin without undermining the mystery of Christ.”
In my personal observation, people participating in this thread should begin with Catholicism and Science will fall into place.
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Bradski
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But you first need to ask the question: Is there a purpose for us being here? On the assumption that you would answer in the affirmative, only then can you go on to try to determine what that is. Via philosophy or religion perhaps. But if you ask the initial question from a scientific perspective, the answer is a simple ‘No’. There is zero evidence for any purpose. And much evidence to conclude that we are the outcome of unguided processes. So there is nowhere else to go. The search stops there.
Exactly. And isn’t that what we are trying to decide? That the two methods are not compatible?
I think I might disagree with you there. We have an excellent understanding of how we got here. From the Big Bang to the present day. Yes, abiogenesis is still a puzzle yet to be solved (as is possibly the cause of the BB) but science is not in the business of inseting ‘Goddidit’ wherever we get an ‘I don’t know’.
Teleology is function to an end purpose. It doesn’t attempt to answer the question of purpose, it assumes purpose. That there is some point to which we are heading and things have been put in place to get us there. People used to think of evolution as a ladder, with various organisms on every step, each one ‘better’ than the last, leading onwards and ever upwards to…us.
It’s now pictured as a tree, with all extant creatures being the outermost branches, all equally worthy of existence.
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grannymh
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When we place science into the material world, we have a purpose for our anatomy.
When we go back to the author of the first three chapters of Genesis, we find a person who is curious as to why humans are different. Then, the question is – What is the purpose of our rational mind?
Your comments about the old ladder and the tree reminds me of my favorite link to illustrate current evolution. However, I am not sure that the explanation of the ladder is accurate.
evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_07
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Rau
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I agree with that statement . But so far, we have nil understanding as to why there is anything upon which such a process may act.
Certainly it’s not for science to say …“aahh, God did that”. For even the smartest scientist can’t know when/where to draw any such line. Abiogenesis is a puzzle. And the why of the Big Bang is a **definite **puzzle. These seem fairly significant puzzles.
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grannymh
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Please. What is the much evidence to conclude that the human species is the outcome of unguided processes?
If we only consider the original Homo/Pan population, then it can be said that the human species is produced in a random breeding population. If we look at the long line of “homo” species, we can see a process, step by step, to a definite human species. The interesting observation is that the evolution process from the Homo/Pan Split stops with the human species. Then, the question is-- What stopped the evolution process?
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Roseeurekacross
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Quit being passive aggressive. Truly! Read what St Pope John Paul says about the science of moral theology in his encyclical. I posted the link.
It’s a very beautiful encyclical, well written, easy to understand.
And what’s more, it is all about moral theology.
I don’t think you quite get it. Scientists don’t study God. We study God’s creations.
Gifted theologians and clergy study things concerned with God. Such as our late Holy Father, St Pope John Paul 11
If you want something to compare moral theology with, compare it with your life, your beliefs, your actions etc…
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Bradski
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The answer to the first question and something that needs to be noted regarding the second is this:
I just looked out into the garden. There was a star that caught my eye. That is, a proton that was formed millions of years ago in a part of the galaxy too far away to comprehend started a journey across the cosmos, avoiding interstellar clouds, being deflected by gravitational forces every which way. During the last few hundred thousand years of its journey, continents drifted, mankind began, civilsations rose and fell and I eventually found myself sitting here writing this.
Then I turned to look into the garden and damn it, wouldn’t you know it, just as I turned my head, that proton passed through the kitchen window, crossed the living room and scored a direct hit on my retina.
Wow. What do you think the chances of that happeneing were!
If someone was to suggest that everthing in the last few million years were set up in such a way to ensure I was put here specifically in this place at this specific time to intercept that specific photon, then you would rightly consider them an idiot.
Yet you see the process right from the very beginning, step by step, all the way through to the final result. Yet you could only come to the decision that it was an amazing event if you already assumed that it was preordained.
Obviously it wasn’t. And neither is anything else.
And it seems as if evolution has stopped with us because firstly, we haven’t been here long enough for you to notice any specific changes and secondly, evolution is generally driven by environmental changes. If a species reaches a point where they can control their environment, then evolution loses most of its impact.
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grannymh
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I find that previous posts are very interesting…
Thank you for sharing.
Returning to basic Catholicism, there are teachings written in stone. One is that Jesus Christ is fully Divine because He is the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity.
God’s great gift of natural science is not interested in the Incarnation (Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity Who assumed human nature). That lack of interest is because natural science is in the material realm aka material world.
Science benefits humankind in the medical arena.
The word “theology” refers to the study of religious faith. Normally, religious faith involves a super-natural transcendent pure spirit deity known as "God”.
Moral Theology, because it comes from God, is very important.
The above points can be considered as Catholic axioms.
Common sense tells us that we first need a strong understanding of basic Catholic truths before stepping into the material world of science.
Thank you for sharing.
Returning to basic Catholicism, there are teachings written in stone. One is that Jesus Christ is fully Divine because He is the Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity.
God’s great gift of natural science is not interested in the Incarnation (Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity Who assumed human nature). That lack of interest is because natural science is in the material realm aka material world.
Science benefits humankind in the medical arena.
The word “theology” refers to the study of religious faith. Normally, religious faith involves a super-natural transcendent pure spirit deity known as "God”.
Moral Theology, because it comes from God, is very important.
The above points can be considered as Catholic axioms.
Common sense tells us that we first need a strong understanding of basic Catholic truths before stepping into the material world of science.
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LogisticsBranch
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The topic includes SCIENCE so I will present the following:
2011-2017 The Pontifical Academy of Sciences - GOALS
– Promoting the progress of the mathematical, physical and natural sciences, and the study of related epistemological questions and issues
– Recognising excellence in science
– Stimulating an interdisciplinary approach to scientific knowledge
– Encouraging international interaction
– Furthering participation in the benefits of science and technology by the greatest number of people and peoples
– Promoting education and the public’s understanding of science
– Ensuring that science works to advance of the human and moral dimension of man
– Achieving a role for science which involves the promotion of justice, development, solidarity, peace, and the resolution of conflict
– Fostering interaction between faith and reason and encouraging dialogue between science and spiritual, cultural, philosophical and religious values
– Providing authoritative advice on scientific and technological matters
– Cooperating with the members of other Academies in a friendly spirit to promote such objectives.
pas.va/content/accademia/en/about/goals.html
2011-2017 The Pontifical Academy of Sciences - GOALS
– Promoting the progress of the mathematical, physical and natural sciences, and the study of related epistemological questions and issues
– Recognising excellence in science
– Stimulating an interdisciplinary approach to scientific knowledge
– Encouraging international interaction
– Furthering participation in the benefits of science and technology by the greatest number of people and peoples
– Promoting education and the public’s understanding of science
– Ensuring that science works to advance of the human and moral dimension of man
– Achieving a role for science which involves the promotion of justice, development, solidarity, peace, and the resolution of conflict
– Fostering interaction between faith and reason and encouraging dialogue between science and spiritual, cultural, philosophical and religious values
– Providing authoritative advice on scientific and technological matters
– Cooperating with the members of other Academies in a friendly spirit to promote such objectives.
pas.va/content/accademia/en/about/goals.html
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Roseeurekacross
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Scientists who believe , stand up and be counted, says the Vatican!
cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/05/08/top-vatican-scientist-calls-scientists-believe-come/
The Vatican Observatory is hosting a major May 9-12 conference on “Black Holes, Gravitational Waves and Space-Time Singularities,” underlining the point that science and religion can actually get along. The director of the observatory says it might help if more scientists who are believers “came out,” sharing their faith.
ROME - There’s an episode of “The Simpsons” that pivots on the discovery of a fossil that appears to be in the form of an angel, which triggers a round of religious fervor until it’s revealed to be a publicity stunt for the opening of a new mall.
This being America, the affair gave rise to a lawsuit in which a judge places a restraining order on science, ordering it to stay 500 feet away from religion at all times. The scene reflected the popular conception that science and religion are natural enemies, and that things turn combustible whenever they intersect.
Brother Guy Consolmagno, a Jesuit who directs the Vatican Observatory, has spent the better part of his career trying to debunk that view of things, and now he’s hosting a major conference that puts an exclamation point on the idea: A May 9-12 summit at the papal summer residence in Castelgandolfo, which is also home to the Vatican Observatory (to escape the distracting lights of Rome), on “Black Holes, Gravitational Waves and Space-Time Singularities.”
“The Vatican Observatory was founded in 1891 by Pope Leo XII to show that the Church supports good science, and to do that we have to have good science,” he said, arguing that’s what this gathering is about. He noted that among the speakers will be a former Nobel Prize winner in physics and a former Wolf Prize winner.
Some two years in the works, the idea behind the conference is to bring together experts in both theoretical and observational cosmology, to ponder new questions arising from the discoveries of puzzling elements of the universe such as dark matter and dark energy.
The gathering also marks the 50th anniversary of the death of Father Georges Lemaître, a Belgian priest, physicist and mathematician, who’s widely credited with founding the “Big Bang” theory to explain the origins of the physical universe.
In a sense, Lemaître was a living reductio ad absurdum on the idea that religious faith is necessarily hostile to science. He taught at the Catholic University of Leuven and was a faithful Catholic priest, in addition to a brilliant physicist who pioneered many of the foundational concepts in modern cosmology, including the idea of an expanding universe.
At a Vatican news conference on Monday, Jesuit Father Gabriele Gionti, organizer of the conference, suggested it’s the sort of thing that ought to push rational people to get past the idea of a rupture between a scientific and a religious way of seeing the world.
“This fear of science people talk about is a myth,” Gionti said.
“Lemaître always made a distinction between the beginnings of the universe and its origins,” he said. “The beginning of the universe is a scientific question, to be able to date with precision when things started.
“The origins of the universe, however, is a theologically charged question,” and answering it, he said, “has nothing at all to do with a scientific epistemology.”
For his part, Consolmagno cautioned against a lazy tendency among many believers to handle the Big Bang theory by replying that God is the one who caused it - which both short-circuits further scientific investigation, he said, and also cheapens the concept of God.
“If you look at God as merely the thing at started the Big Bang, then you get a nature god, like Jupiter throwing around lightning bolts,” he said.
“That’s not a god I want to believe in,” he said. “There are many ideas of god, which means there are many gods I don’t believe in.
“We must believe in a God who is supernatural,” Consolmagno said. “We recognize God as the one who is responsible for existence, and our science tells us how he did it.”
To unpack the point, Consolmagno made a quip that probably brings down the house at physicist parties.
“Stephen Hawking said that he can explain God as a fluctuation in the primordial gravity field,” he said. “If you buy that, it means God is gravity…maybe that’s why Catholics celebrate Mass!”
Most basically, Consolmagno said, it’s important to maintain the proper distinction between what science can prove, and what faith can add.
“God is not something we arrive at the end of our science, it’s what we assume at the beginning,” he said, adding emphatically: “I am afraid of a God who can be proved by science, because I know my science well enough to not trust it!”
Finally, Consolmagno called on scientists who are also believers to “come out of the closet” about it, sharing their scientific work with people in their churches and faith communities.
“More scientists who are church-goers need to make their science known to their parishioners,” he said.
“They should set up their telescopes in the church parking lot, or lead natural trails for youth groups,” Consolmagno said. “People in churches need to be reminded that science was an invention of medieval universities founded by the church, and that the logic of science comes out of the logic of theology.
“If there’s a rivalry,” he said, “it’s a sibling rivalry.
“It’s a crime against science to say that only atheists can do it,” he said, “because if that were true, it would eliminate so many wonderful scientists.”
cruxnow.com/vatican/2017/05/08/top-vatican-scientist-calls-scientists-believe-come/
The Vatican Observatory is hosting a major May 9-12 conference on “Black Holes, Gravitational Waves and Space-Time Singularities,” underlining the point that science and religion can actually get along. The director of the observatory says it might help if more scientists who are believers “came out,” sharing their faith.
ROME - There’s an episode of “The Simpsons” that pivots on the discovery of a fossil that appears to be in the form of an angel, which triggers a round of religious fervor until it’s revealed to be a publicity stunt for the opening of a new mall.
This being America, the affair gave rise to a lawsuit in which a judge places a restraining order on science, ordering it to stay 500 feet away from religion at all times. The scene reflected the popular conception that science and religion are natural enemies, and that things turn combustible whenever they intersect.
Brother Guy Consolmagno, a Jesuit who directs the Vatican Observatory, has spent the better part of his career trying to debunk that view of things, and now he’s hosting a major conference that puts an exclamation point on the idea: A May 9-12 summit at the papal summer residence in Castelgandolfo, which is also home to the Vatican Observatory (to escape the distracting lights of Rome), on “Black Holes, Gravitational Waves and Space-Time Singularities.”
“The Vatican Observatory was founded in 1891 by Pope Leo XII to show that the Church supports good science, and to do that we have to have good science,” he said, arguing that’s what this gathering is about. He noted that among the speakers will be a former Nobel Prize winner in physics and a former Wolf Prize winner.
Some two years in the works, the idea behind the conference is to bring together experts in both theoretical and observational cosmology, to ponder new questions arising from the discoveries of puzzling elements of the universe such as dark matter and dark energy.
The gathering also marks the 50th anniversary of the death of Father Georges Lemaître, a Belgian priest, physicist and mathematician, who’s widely credited with founding the “Big Bang” theory to explain the origins of the physical universe.
In a sense, Lemaître was a living reductio ad absurdum on the idea that religious faith is necessarily hostile to science. He taught at the Catholic University of Leuven and was a faithful Catholic priest, in addition to a brilliant physicist who pioneered many of the foundational concepts in modern cosmology, including the idea of an expanding universe.
At a Vatican news conference on Monday, Jesuit Father Gabriele Gionti, organizer of the conference, suggested it’s the sort of thing that ought to push rational people to get past the idea of a rupture between a scientific and a religious way of seeing the world.
“This fear of science people talk about is a myth,” Gionti said.
“Lemaître always made a distinction between the beginnings of the universe and its origins,” he said. “The beginning of the universe is a scientific question, to be able to date with precision when things started.
“The origins of the universe, however, is a theologically charged question,” and answering it, he said, “has nothing at all to do with a scientific epistemology.”
For his part, Consolmagno cautioned against a lazy tendency among many believers to handle the Big Bang theory by replying that God is the one who caused it - which both short-circuits further scientific investigation, he said, and also cheapens the concept of God.
“If you look at God as merely the thing at started the Big Bang, then you get a nature god, like Jupiter throwing around lightning bolts,” he said.
“That’s not a god I want to believe in,” he said. “There are many ideas of god, which means there are many gods I don’t believe in.
“We must believe in a God who is supernatural,” Consolmagno said. “We recognize God as the one who is responsible for existence, and our science tells us how he did it.”
To unpack the point, Consolmagno made a quip that probably brings down the house at physicist parties.
“Stephen Hawking said that he can explain God as a fluctuation in the primordial gravity field,” he said. “If you buy that, it means God is gravity…maybe that’s why Catholics celebrate Mass!”
Most basically, Consolmagno said, it’s important to maintain the proper distinction between what science can prove, and what faith can add.
“God is not something we arrive at the end of our science, it’s what we assume at the beginning,” he said, adding emphatically: “I am afraid of a God who can be proved by science, because I know my science well enough to not trust it!”
Finally, Consolmagno called on scientists who are also believers to “come out of the closet” about it, sharing their scientific work with people in their churches and faith communities.
“More scientists who are church-goers need to make their science known to their parishioners,” he said.
“They should set up their telescopes in the church parking lot, or lead natural trails for youth groups,” Consolmagno said. “People in churches need to be reminded that science was an invention of medieval universities founded by the church, and that the logic of science comes out of the logic of theology.
“If there’s a rivalry,” he said, “it’s a sibling rivalry.
“It’s a crime against science to say that only atheists can do it,” he said, “because if that were true, it would eliminate so many wonderful scientists.”
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Roseeurekacross
Guest
Because I havent learnt to highlight, I will copy and paste this
“This fear of science people talk about is a myth,” Gionti said.
“Lemaître always made a distinction between the beginnings of the universe and its origins,” he said. “The beginning of the universe is a scientific question, to be able to date with precision when things started.
“The origins of the universe, however, is a theologically charged question,” and answering it, he said, “has nothing at all to do with a scientific epistemology.”
“This fear of science people talk about is a myth,” Gionti said.
“Lemaître always made a distinction between the beginnings of the universe and its origins,” he said. “The beginning of the universe is a scientific question, to be able to date with precision when things started.
“The origins of the universe, however, is a theologically charged question,” and answering it, he said, “has nothing at all to do with a scientific epistemology.”
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grannymh
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Of course, people should not fear science. In stead, they should face the fact that not all science is equal.
Do you know why busy beavers are not scientifically equal to yourself?
Busy beavers and humans can construct dams. Do you know why the scientifically built dams are not equal?
Remember that science is “observation without prejudice.”
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LogisticsBranch
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Picking up where I last posted on the previous page.
How to Save the Natural World on Which We Depend
PAS-PASS Workshop, Casina Pio IV, 27 February-1 March 2017
On our 4.54 billion year old planet, life is perhaps as much as 3.7 billion years old, photosynthesis and multi-cellularity dozens of times independently around 3.0 billion years old, and the emergence of plants, animals, and fungi onto land, by at least the Ordovician period, perhaps 480 million years ago, forests appearing around 370 million years ago, and the origin of modern groups such as mammals, birds, reptiles, and land plants subsequently. The geological record shows that there have been five major extinction-events in the past, the first of them about 542 million years ago, and suggests that 99% of the species that ever lived (5 billion of them?) have become extinct. The last major extinction event occurred about 66 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous Period, and, in general, the number of species on earth and the complexity of their communities has increased steadily until near the present.
Over the past 66 million years, the number of species has grown to an estimated 10-14 million kinds of eukaryotic organisms (those with complex cells) and an unknown but very large number of prokaryotic organisms (archea and bacteria). The first of our close relatives that we have discovered in the fossil record are about 2.7 million years old, and like all of our earlier relatives, they occurred in Africa. Homo erectus, the species most closely similar to us, migrated out of Africa via the Middle East starting about two million years ago, and was followed by Neanderthals, Denisovans, and ultimately, about 60,000 years ago, by our species, Homo sapiens. Our ancestors soon spread out of Eurasia and by something like 12,000 years ago, had occupied all of the continents. By about 30,000 years ago they had conquered and killed all other forms of humans that had reached the Northern Hemisphere earlier.
For some tens of thousands of years after they reached Eurasia,** humans lived as hunter gatherers. **During that time they certainly began to make artistic works, weapons, musical instruments, and the like, but since they kept moving in search of food, carrying their babies with them, there was not much chance to develop what we consider civilization today. There may have been sporadic cultivation of small patches of crop plants earlier, but our ancestors turned to cultivation much more extensively about 12,000 years ago. By 10,000 years ago crops, along with domestic animals, provided a major source of storable food, one that could see them through droughts, winters, and other unfavorable times, and the numbers of people that could live together in a village, town, or city was greatly increased, allowing all aspects of civilization to develop much more fully in these centers.
At the time crops became important elements for human survival, 10,000 years ago, the entire world population is estimated to have been about one million people, with about 100,000 in Europe. Written language was developed about 5,000 years ago as distinctive civilizations were appearing in different parts of the world. Human populations began to grow rapidly and overwhelmed the capacity of many natural systems through cultivating crops and grazing. It is estimated that at the time of Christ, there may have been 300 million people globally; now there are 7.3 billion. Some 11% of the world world’s ice-free land surface have been converted to crop agriculture, another 20% to grazing, most of it unsustainable, on natural grasslands. It is obvious that many of the kinds of organisms that occurred 10,000 years ago have already gone extinct, and that we are dealing with a reduced set of the organisms that existed when agriculture was first adopted by our ancestors. What percentage would have been lost in this period is unknown, but on islands it seems to have been a majority, and on continents a large percentage also. Our civilization and our numbers grew in a relatively stable period of climate following the last expansion of continental ice sheets about 26,500 years ago, and we are now profoundly damaging the conditions under which our numbers have increased from about 1 million to about 7.3 billion people, with a net of 250,000 extra people every day.
. . .]
pas.va/content/accademia/en/events/2017/extinction.html
Here is another great website I encourage people to read:
actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html#primer:
I’m on vacation with my walker coon hound for two weeks in the mountains. It’s an all girls getaway with some of my dearest oldest lady friends. HOWLing Yippie!
How to Save the Natural World on Which We Depend
PAS-PASS Workshop, Casina Pio IV, 27 February-1 March 2017
On our 4.54 billion year old planet, life is perhaps as much as 3.7 billion years old, photosynthesis and multi-cellularity dozens of times independently around 3.0 billion years old, and the emergence of plants, animals, and fungi onto land, by at least the Ordovician period, perhaps 480 million years ago, forests appearing around 370 million years ago, and the origin of modern groups such as mammals, birds, reptiles, and land plants subsequently. The geological record shows that there have been five major extinction-events in the past, the first of them about 542 million years ago, and suggests that 99% of the species that ever lived (5 billion of them?) have become extinct. The last major extinction event occurred about 66 million years ago, at the end of the Cretaceous Period, and, in general, the number of species on earth and the complexity of their communities has increased steadily until near the present.
Over the past 66 million years, the number of species has grown to an estimated 10-14 million kinds of eukaryotic organisms (those with complex cells) and an unknown but very large number of prokaryotic organisms (archea and bacteria). The first of our close relatives that we have discovered in the fossil record are about 2.7 million years old, and like all of our earlier relatives, they occurred in Africa. Homo erectus, the species most closely similar to us, migrated out of Africa via the Middle East starting about two million years ago, and was followed by Neanderthals, Denisovans, and ultimately, about 60,000 years ago, by our species, Homo sapiens. Our ancestors soon spread out of Eurasia and by something like 12,000 years ago, had occupied all of the continents. By about 30,000 years ago they had conquered and killed all other forms of humans that had reached the Northern Hemisphere earlier.
For some tens of thousands of years after they reached Eurasia,** humans lived as hunter gatherers. **During that time they certainly began to make artistic works, weapons, musical instruments, and the like, but since they kept moving in search of food, carrying their babies with them, there was not much chance to develop what we consider civilization today. There may have been sporadic cultivation of small patches of crop plants earlier, but our ancestors turned to cultivation much more extensively about 12,000 years ago. By 10,000 years ago crops, along with domestic animals, provided a major source of storable food, one that could see them through droughts, winters, and other unfavorable times, and the numbers of people that could live together in a village, town, or city was greatly increased, allowing all aspects of civilization to develop much more fully in these centers.
At the time crops became important elements for human survival, 10,000 years ago, the entire world population is estimated to have been about one million people, with about 100,000 in Europe. Written language was developed about 5,000 years ago as distinctive civilizations were appearing in different parts of the world. Human populations began to grow rapidly and overwhelmed the capacity of many natural systems through cultivating crops and grazing. It is estimated that at the time of Christ, there may have been 300 million people globally; now there are 7.3 billion. Some 11% of the world world’s ice-free land surface have been converted to crop agriculture, another 20% to grazing, most of it unsustainable, on natural grasslands. It is obvious that many of the kinds of organisms that occurred 10,000 years ago have already gone extinct, and that we are dealing with a reduced set of the organisms that existed when agriculture was first adopted by our ancestors. What percentage would have been lost in this period is unknown, but on islands it seems to have been a majority, and on continents a large percentage also. Our civilization and our numbers grew in a relatively stable period of climate following the last expansion of continental ice sheets about 26,500 years ago, and we are now profoundly damaging the conditions under which our numbers have increased from about 1 million to about 7.3 billion people, with a net of 250,000 extra people every day.
. . .]
pas.va/content/accademia/en/events/2017/extinction.html
Here is another great website I encourage people to read:
actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html#primer:
I’m on vacation with my walker coon hound for two weeks in the mountains. It’s an all girls getaway with some of my dearest oldest lady friends. HOWLing Yippie!
po18guy
Well-known member
God and Evolution? by Dr. Gerard Verschuuren. “Coincidentally”, I just received this book from Pauline Press. I plan on giving it to my non-religious research hematologist to help him see that the two are not incompatible, and also how and what I think.
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Bradski
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If you’ve read it, how does Verschuuren tackle the problem of an original couple?
po18guy
Well-known member
I haven’t read it, but Prof. Peter Kreeft and some other notable Catholics like it, so it must be fairly good.
As to the thread itself, what we observe in nature is variations within a species, and not an entirely new species. Isn’t that consistent with human development?
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