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What is happening - and we see this in Europe the most starkly - is that muslims come and have no intention of merging with their host country and they break the laws of the land. the host country that has accepted them and treats them decently and lets them practice their ‘religion’ and they in turn state they are muslims first and citizens of the country secondly.
THEN if they feel threatened they will claim victimhood and they will say that the crimes against them is greater (well, it is never greater - it is just a way to deflect their poor behavior).
So, basically they are now doing it here since they feel their numbers have grown sufficiently in our lands. their true colors are showing. The facade, oops I mean ‘face’, of peace is falling apart. And as we learn more we are able to detect the deception in their words.
I keep posting this video - but it is the best to show the difference in what they do and say among their own vs what they say to us.
Here is what is going on in the UK muslims:
islameyat.com/dispatches_undercover_mosque.htm
It is happening here too. the police and FBI are working on getting into the mosques and also profiling - for me this is about time!
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sister amy, you did not answer my questions directly. you answered with more questions.
also, how come you seem to be the only one around here defending your faith? where did sailka, planten and umerazad go? i don’t want to turn this into a “what amy believes” thread, but since you’re the only one around…
from what i’m gathering, it sounds like you do believe (because you believe the quran is the ultimate truth) that if enough muslims moved to america or say france, that it would be the goal of the muslims to see the current form of government replaced by YOUR islamic law. and even if the residents of these lands (that were there BEFORE you) do not believe in the quran, then you are still justified in changing their governments, because the nonmuslims are simply wrong in denying the muslim faith.
is that fairly accurate?
thanks.
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morning_star777
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you are correct brother.Its reality that even moderate muslims are also very dangerous&i told,I met many of them in my country,they are moderate muslims but hate us because islam taught hate to christians&to all non muslims.
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You have been conned. If you move to an Islamic country, you will be abused as soon as you get there and might not be allowed to leave. Think this over. For your sake, I hope your non-Muslim family stops you.
You did not even know that Allah is the best of the deceivers is from the Koran. There is a lot you do now know about Islam. Imams lie and will say anything to get you to join Islam…and then the truth comes out. Woman are just trash to them. Please wake up.
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morning_star777
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Ya,moderate muslims want to dominate us as 2nd class citizen by taking jizyah.if we deny this tax,they will send us to jail or will send assassins to kill us then they will claim ,"non muslims"didn’t pay jizyah so we(muslims)didn’t protect them(us or others).its the moderate shariah law!!now think about extremist,they will openly kill us.
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Postmodern
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No, my lack of patience is due to your continual tendency to make overtly raciest comments while demonstrating no ability to reason independently, or understand anything beyond what Mr. Spencer spoon feeds you.
There is nothing wrong with being ignorant about a subject, but your perpetual hate mongering is inexcusable.
I asked you what specific data you needed access to to verify my claims. I have said much of it is available outside of Scholarly Journals.
You have not been specific what data you want
Not obscure at all, very specific actually
I read you post where you claimed honor killings were a universal norm across Muslim countries and populations independent of regional cultures, you never provided a link to quantitative data.
If I’m wrong, show me.
No it’s not fine, because you are spreading hatred and ignorance. Someone needs to call your hate filled rants for what they are.
I’m sure you won’t
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ChristopherL
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Spencer is not the only one who has that view of Islam.
You are the ignorant one, when it comes to Islam. Mohammad was a terrorist. Who would wage holy war if non-Muslims would not convert or pay extortion. END OF STORY.
But here is you the liberal student who knows better then 1400 years of history. Millions of non-Muslims suffer because of people like you, who need to sugar coat what Islam really is. Hey maybe you know more the the past Supreme Islamic Ruler.
Ayatollah Khomeini
Khomeini accordingly delivered notorious rebuke to the Islam-is-a-religion-of-peace crowd: “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does this mean that Muslims should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill them, put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]… Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to Paradise, which can be opened only for the Holy Warriors! There are hundreds of other [Qur’anic] psalms and Hadiths [sayings of the Prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all this mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim.”
We just had another honor killing here in the US and the UK has had over 100 of them. Turkey over 1000 in 5 years.
It happens across the Islamic world.
myfoxatlanta.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=6922427&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1
womenagainstshariah.blogspot.com/2008/06/turkey-over-1000-honor-killings-in-5.html
news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3828255.stm
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jen_fla
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postmodern, have you even been reading what people of the muslim faith have been posting on here?
i don’t think anyone here is trying to spread “hatred and ignorance” towards another person or group, **but it is ok to HATE the lies that one might spread. **
do you think someone is full of hate when they want the world to wake up to the fact that islamic law says an adulterous couple should be stoned to death?
i don’t think anyone here is trying to spread “hatred and ignorance” towards another person or group, **but it is ok to HATE the lies that one might spread. **
do you think someone is full of hate when they want the world to wake up to the fact that islamic law says an adulterous couple should be stoned to death?
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planten
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There are a few persons on this forum who are spreading hatred. They do not make any informative post. Only bad words are coming from them (accusative words). It is best for us to ignore them completely. There are other fair good Catholic friends here and we can always attend to them.
In the end, it is necessary to tell you that there is no real punishment for adultry as stoning. It is the punishment in Torah (very good). But it not in Quran. I don’t know from where the maulvis have got the idea of stoning the adulteres. Perhaps in the love of Jews, they do that. There is punishment of 100 lashes for adultry and fornication only in Islam.
But for rape etc it may be the stoning.
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Postmodern
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Correct
WELL TYPING IN ALL CAPS CERTAINLY MAKES IT SO!
I have made no claims about Muhammad. Nor should I as I have never seriously studied his biographies
I’m a liberal now?
I have also given no opinions of Islam on the whole. Analyzing Islamic political movements is entirely removed from making claims about Islamic theology and thought.
As I am sure you know Khomeini is a fundamentalist Shia’ Cleric. His views may be taken to represent certain fundamentalist sections of 10% of the total Muslim population.
I need some actual citation.
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Verisimilitude
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Are you claiming it isn’t?
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Postmodern
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well, what exactly do you mean by honor killings?
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R_not
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Well, since islam is not a race - try again.
You, and other muslims, don’t like the truth - it must be tough when we can take your own koran and show you where the hate is coming from.
You are the one spreading hatred, and it is a usual game that is played by muslims to call the ones like me as the ones who are the bad guys. Try again. In fact, your post is actually quite nasty.
You make an assertion and try to excuse jihadist behavior. You say you have data to back it up and then you give me a website that is not accessible unless I pay to access it, or to go to some University to look it up. Try again - you have backed nothing up and I just call you on it and it has hurt your feelings.
Life must be tough.
your ‘quantitative data’ is being proved daily everywhere muslims reside. You don’t want to read them. What you want me to do is have a measurement for you - and most honor killings are not on the news, counted, etc. Like most crimes against infidels are not on the news, counted or documented. Try again.
In fact, even in Europe the records are bad because the Europeans have proven to be cowards in the face of islam. Some are waking up and we see courage coming out, eg: Geert Wilders, Theo Van Gogh, etc. And what do we see - they are threatened, and in the case of Theo, he was murdered while on the streets for speaking out. And his friend, Hirsi Ali, is now under 24 hour guard, as is Mr. Wilders.
Sorry, but all your nicely compacted numbers do not fall into place. Only if they count and document would they be valid - and this is why they are not valid.
Keep calling me whatever you want. I live in a country that is not calling for the deaths of muslims due to my religion. Instead they are ok to live next to me. But, their religion says to kill, convert or subjugate me. I don’t want either of those options - and that is where the problem lies and has lied for so many who have died or are now converted or subjugated.
When their da’wa doesn’t work, the jihadists follow behind. Read my signature’s website. There are some numbers for you.
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Postmodern
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I would use the term “Islamaphobia” as it is apt, however “raceism” better express the irrational hatred that permeates your claims. I am aware that my usage exceeds the traditionally prescribed definition of the term.
Are you implying that I am a Muslim?
It is more polemical then I am comfortable with.
I have never excused “jihadist” behavior
I will, for the third time now, ask what specific data you want. I will, again for the third time, offer to find a way for you to access that data indipendent of a scholarly journal
Not really.
If it’s being “proved” then that is good for me.
I don’t want to read what?
I have only asked you to provide data for your claim. Specific instances are not sufficient. You made a claim that would require a general mean across all Muslim populations, or across all Muslim populations that tend to associate with a specific sect.
That is very unfortunate, however it does not prove your claim.
If by “place” you mean your preconceived idea of reality then you are correct.
Why what is not valid? The statistics on Honor Killings were taken from men convicted of committing honor killings in Islamic Countries such as Jordan
well done to you
At the beginning you insinuated I was a Muslim, here you make a distinction between me and Muslims. I find that peculiar
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What do the Muslims say about it who have commited the act?
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Postmodern
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What
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How do YOU define “honor” killings.
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Are you braindead or or just obstinate?
I don’t define stupidity. Muslims claim to kill for ‘honor’ be it a a womans honor or dishonor. They kill in the name and honor of allah. There is no such thing as an honor killing. Muslims claim it and since they do I suggest you ask or read what one who killed for honor means.
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The usual name calling now. Ok, here is some news - islam is not a race. It consists of many races of people - including my own race.
As for hatred and irrationality - I have a lot of posts that show the facts that back up any claims. Most of them are from the koran itself.
As for you being a muslim - I don’t really care. Either way, it is irrelevent when it comes to this point.
islamophobia is an irrational fear of islam. I do not have an irrational fear. If I did I wouldn’t speak up at all. I would be afraid that they would do something to me if I did speak up - now that is very well documented that when people speak up the muslims behave poorly. Some examples are how they behaved with Geert Wilders, Theo Van Gogh, Hirsi Ali, even a book that was written by Salmon Rushdie upset the muslims to a point they have a fatwa against him, the Pope spoke up about the violence in islam - and look how the muslim world reacted. Too bad they don’t react like that when so many die by their jihadists!
Until there can be some civility in your posts - good bye. I don’t buy your thesis and that is the base of this problem. here is something that you might not be aware of - many won’t buy it. Get used to it.
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