Catholicism VS Bible

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Pray to YHWH in the name of Jesus.
The Bible says there is “One” mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 2: A Call to Prayer
…4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.…
Yeap, this is why Catholics also pray in Jesus’s name. Though we do often give praise to the Father and Holy Spirit at the same time. We often say “We pray (ask) this in the name of your beloved Son, Our Lord Jesus Christ, who lives and reigns with You and the Holy Spirit, one God forever and ever.”

God Bless
 
Just one note, the Jewish Talmud was followed by the Catholic Church which combines the prohibition on worshiping deities other than Yahweh with the prohibition on idolatry. This is as per the practice of St. Augustine. Also Deuteronomy 5:21 is used rather than Exodus 20:17.
 
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Why so many Idols? They even had the audacity to take this commandment out. The Bible’s 10 commandments are different from “Catholic” 10 Commandments.
Idols are horrible. That’s why we Catholics (and the Orthodox) don’t use them.

Though we do use art to remind us of great Christians who have died. We use art primarily because they didn’t have camaras 2000 years ago.

What we do with statues and paintings is no different than what people do with photographs of loved ones. We love the Saints in Heaven because we want to emulate their love for Jesus and their virtuous lives (some for their whole lives, while others after they had a conversion to Christ). So we want that and we want to be like them. So we learn about them so we can put into practice any tips we might learn from them regarding how to live the Scriptures better.

God Bless
 
Exodus 20 4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
True. That’s why we typically don’t kneel in front of artistic renderings of angels. We don’t know what they really look like.

We also don’t make renderings of the Saints in Heaven. We make renderings of them when they were on Earth.

We do this to remember them. If you think that Jews were opposed to making art renderings of their family members, your kidding yourself. However, good art was expensive, so usually only the rich could afford it. But when the apostles started dying, the believers would chip in money in order to pay for statues and paintings of the Apostles & martyrs so people would never forget. After all, few could read. But the could remember stories about art.

God bless
 
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Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed and came loaded looking for a fight I see.
 
Oh boy, these type of threads again. I’m sure Catholic.com has loads of articles dedicated to answering such questions. They’re by expert theologians, so their answers would be much more valuable than us lay Catholics. In fact, pick up the book “Catholicism and Fundamentalism” by Karl Keating.
 
Pray to YHWH in the name of Jesus.
We do.
Why so many Idols?
We don’t worship idols.
They even had the audacity to take this commandment out. The Bible’s 10 commandments are different from “Catholic” 10 Commandments.
The Bible doesn’t explicitly label the Ten Commandments, so readers are free to number them however. IIRC, Catholics adopted the numbering system used by Augustine, and Protestants have mostly accepted the system introduced by Calvin. So if anything, Protestants have a novel way of numbering things, not Catholics.
If Jesus said, call no man Father on earth, why would you go against it?
Because Paul said he had become one (1 Cor. 4:15). That is, as far as I know, the farthest back a potential reference to calling a priest or bishop “Father” is, and it is Scriptural.
 
Oh boy, these type of threads again.
I almost didn’t want to respond, because it is essentially just a Gish gallop, but the actual effort required to address every point is practically non-existent. It’s clear that the OP hasn’t read much on what Catholics believe.
 
Where is this commandment in the “Catholic 10 Commandments”?
Exodus 20
2nd Commandment
Hang on a sec, Dan… does the Bible say “this is the 2nd commandment”, or is this a tradition of men which you have adopted for yourself?
The Bronze Serpent has a specific purpose.
So do statues. They’re different purposes, mind you. Catholics don’t treat statues as ‘idols’ – they’re reminders of real people in heaven and of Jesus. They help us remember these important people in our lives, and they act as a visual aid in our prayer. But… praying to statues, as if they were living and real people? Catholics don’t do that. You’re confusing us with the pagans of the Old Testament, Dan… 😉
It is not Catholicism versus the Bible .
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The pope is referred to as the “Holy Father”
we have biological fathers and spiritual fathers. The Pope, bishops, and priests are spiritual fathers just as St. Paul said when he told Timothy he was his spiritual father.

Also your understanding of the text is incorrect. Jesus not saying you can’t call someone Father or Teacher. This isn’t about the ‘name’ it is about the role/relationship. We should not give any person the role/relationship that belongs to God. A good example of this is the way the leader of North Korea demands that his people relate to him as if he is their ‘father’ god.
One pope said quote “Dont go to God for forgiveness come to me” Pope John Paul II
another
“The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and Earth.” Pope Pius V
if you want to quote please note the source of the quote.
 
if you want to quote please note the source of the quote.
Don’t even bother asking, he obviously made them up, and apparently has no interest in critical examination of his positions, because if he took even half a second to examine most of them he would realize they are nonsense.
 
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if you want to quote please note the source of the quote.
Don’t even bother asking, he obviously made them up, and apparently has no interest in critical examination of his positions, because if he took even half a second to examine most of them he would realize they are nonsense.
The “Pope and God are the same” quote, commonly mentioned by anti Catholic sources, is a total distortion of what he actually said, easily found online.

As usual the anti Catholics will twist the truth and turn it into complete trash to advance their point of view.
 
We Catholics get our Commandments from Deuteronomy 5:6-21. They are all there. The OP’s dispute comes from the way they are grouped together. #2 is included in #1. So he thinks we eliminated the Second Commandment when we didn’t.
 
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if he took even half a second to examine most of them he would realize they are nonsense.
To be fair, they’re probably assertions that he learned from sources he trusts, so he believes the truthfulness of the claims.
 
To be fair, they’re probably assertions that he learned from sources he trusts, so he believes the truthfulness of the claims.
Right. We all do that sometimes.

If the OP takes away anything from this little exchange he started, I hope it is that he needs to investigate the matter more. His assertions are ones that have been around and addressed many times over through the past several decades. He should look into the sources of his assertions.
 
I know, they’re all just so easy to refute though…
It’s sort of fascinating to me how long these “urban legend” type of things can live on despite all evidence to the contrary. But there will always be someone out there who is hearing it for the first time and finds it credible before coming across any facts or counter-arguments that would dispute it.
 
They even had the audacity to take this commandment out. The Bible’s 10 commandments are different from “Catholic” 10 Commandments.
We didn’t take it out.

Look at the chart in Wikipedia via the link before. We didn’t remove it. It’s part of the 1st Commandment for us.

The Talmud says the First Commandment is “I am the Lord thy god, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.”

The Talmud then groups “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” and “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven images” as The 2nd Commandment.

St. Augustine ignored the (as did others) the First Commandment from the Talmud and made the Talmud’s 2nd Commandment the First Commandment.

The Catholic Church follows St. Augustine’s list of Commandments, expect we merge the Talmud’s 1st Commandment and 2nd Commandment (Augustine’s First Commandment) all as the First Commandment.

It’s also worth noting that Martin Luther used the EXACT same list of Commandments as the Catholic Church for Commandments 1-8. Luther simply reordered Commandments 9 & 10.

Reformed Protestants do NOT follow Martin Luther’s list of Ten Commandments.

 
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