Catholicism VS Bible

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DanielandtheLionsDen said:
Now if the bible says there is ONE mediator and that is Jesus, than explain to me how Mary mediates? Further, explain to me why would you pray to the Saints? Jesus said to pray to the Father in his name.
2 Timothy 2: A Call to Prayer
…4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.…
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Mary doesn’t mediate the same way as Christ.

Mary mediates the same way a grandmother would mediate to her son on behalf of her Grandchildren.

Jesus love His mother and since she’s in Heaven (and even when she was on Earth) her will is always aligned with God’s. So she never asks Jesus to do something that He’s not willing to do.
 
Daniel, where did you get your bible from? Our Church was founded by Jesus Christ. The Scriptures you are reading came later. You can continually list this and that which you interpret as wrong, but really we are separated by only two things. The Magisterium of Christ’s Church and the Real Presence of Jesus Christ in the Holy Eucharist. If you are going by “scripture alone”, I would like to see explain away the biblical truth of John 6.
 
Posters are only able to post a few times on their first day so that may be why he hasn’t responded.
 
Either that or he was just doing a “hit and run” in order to get enjoyment from trying to ruffle some Catholic feathers. Only time will tell.

I was impressed by how restrained everyone has been so far. It is obvious you care about his overall spiritual welfare to not choose to reply in the same kind of tone that was expressed in the initial post.
 
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These kinds of guys show up every now and then. It’s not too uncommon that someone comes here trying to beat us dumb Catholics with strawmen. It’s sad.
 
Joe_5859 said:
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ZMystiCat:
because it is essentially just a Gish gallop
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I never knew it had a name! Thank you for broadening my vocabulary. 🙂
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I was glad to learn of this name myself.
 
ZMystiCat said:
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Zynxensar:
Oh boy, these type of threads again.
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I almost didn’t want to respond, because it is essentially just a Gish gallop, but the actual effort required to address every point is practically non-existent. It’s clear that the OP hasn’t read much on what Catholics believe.
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Good catch on the Gish gallop callout… otherwise known as the argumentum verbosium fallacy. No doubt it was deliberate.
 
Sbee0 said:
Good catch on the Gish gallop callout… otherwise known as the argumentum verbosium fallacy. No doubt it was deliberate.
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It’s not necessarily deliberate. I think some people get so excited about a topic that they don’t know how to stop from saying everything all at once.
 
Joe_5859 said:
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Sbee0:
Good catch on the Gish gallop callout… otherwise known as the argumentum verbosium fallacy. No doubt it was deliberate.
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It’s not necessarily deliberate. I think some people get so excited about a topic that they don’t know how to stop from saying everything all at once.
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That’s true.
 
It is actually handy for me, being a new Catholic, to hear these discussions so that I can learn how to answer questions from my Protestant friends.
 
Wow. Daniel might be able to hold his own in the lions den but it looks like he just got eaten by the pack of sheepdogs protecting Christ’s flock. 😀

Great responses

God Bless
 
I checked the OP’s profile - it says he’s been suspended until April 1st.
 
I didn’t expect them to last, but I’m wondering if they set a new record for speed of suspension.
 
DanielandtheLionsDen said:
I stand on the basis of Truth, in defence of the Holy Bible. For YHWH and Yeshua. I will defend the Bible and its word, one argument at a time. All are welcome to the conversation, you seek truth, then, let us reason with the scriptures.

If Jesus said, call no man Father on earth, why would you go against it?
Matthew 23: 9 And do not call anyone on earth your father, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

Pray to YHWH in the name of Jesus.
The Bible says there is “One” mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 2: A Call to Prayer
…4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.…

Why so many Idols? They even had the audacity to take this commandment out. The Bible’s 10 commandments are different from “Catholic” 10 Commandments.

Exodus 20 4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
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One can know a certain amount from reading scripture- gaining some valuable knowledge- but it will also lead to much confusion as it has with yourself. The Church isn’t your enemy; she’s everyone’s best friend, in fact. The Church, in her humble beginnings, simply knew and practiced many things based on what was handed down to her, alongside of what was written.

For anyone to pick up a bible 1500 or 2000 yrs later and read what Church members wrote, picking out this verse and that as if it was necessarily perfectly clear and understandable and God dictating some precise truth to themselves when the Church’s own lived experience may speak otherwise is like me telling you that your own personal life-history isn’t how you tell me it is. Your theology can only end up as a best-guess sort of affair, while you wield His word as a sword like some sort of lone self-proclaimed warrior defending the “Truth”.
 
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The oral tradition was part of Judaism from its beginnings (non-codified Oral Law) and was later codified in the Talmud. The Church followed the same practice through the Magisterium. The reason is that the Bible (both the Hebrew Bible and the New Testament) cannot and should not be interpreted only at face value since its literary styles vary and there are many language peculiarities to the era as well as ellipses that make individual interpretation without accompanying authoritative sources too daunting for even the most brilliant biblical scholar.
 
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ZMystiCat said:
The Bible doesn’t explicitly label the Ten Commandments, so readers are free to number them however. IIRC, Catholics adopted the numbering system used by Augustine, and Protestants have mostly accepted the system introduced by Calvin. So if anything, Protestants have a novel way of numbering things, not Catholics.
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As a clarification, the Lutheran numbering is essentially the same as the Catholic.
It is an odd inconsistency that folks such as @DanielandtheLionsDen do not include Lutherans in their accusations.
 
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JonNC said:
It is an odd inconsistency that folks such as @DanielandtheLionsDen do not include Lutherans in their accusations.
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Maybe because you guys don’t have men in funny fish-god hats. 😜
 
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