Catholics: Am I, as a Protestant, saved?

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You are really splitting hairs here. I am saying that you have a brain. Use it! If you think what they are doing and what they believe is wrong, then go to them and tell them. How else are they going to know your Truth as you interpret it?
Firstly, kmc, could you please use the QUOTE feature correctly, and not nest your responses in mine? It makes it difficult to respond to your quotes, when yours are nested. Thanks.

This will show you how to quote without nesting.

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=19771

As far as telling them what we believe is right and wrong, that’s exactly what we’re doing here on the CAFs…and it appears that you seem to be objecting to this with your profession that we’re all Christians anyway, so what does it really matter.

You appear to be saying 2 contrary things, then. On the one hand, you are saying, “Tell people that it is not Christian to believe these things!”

And on the other hand you are saying, “Why do you feel the need to tell people that it’s not Christian to believe these things!”
 
So please do not condemn me for trying my best to understand things that I know little about.
There is as much condemnation of you as you have for me here.

There seems to be a sentiment you are professing that you get to pose some sort of question, but when questions are returned to you, that is viewed as condemning you.

No condemnation of you has been offered on this thread.

We are simply attempting to respond to your queries, and request that you, in return, offer no condemnation as well.
 
Or if you will, am I in a state of sanctifying grace?



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The Church, in it’s usual effort to avoid being called “judgemental”, leaves this question hanging in my opinion. At no time has it ever declared anyone condemned to the best of my knowledge, despite the fact that in recent history alone we’ve experienced the likes of Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Josef Stalin, the Mafia, the Russian Mafia, etc. etc.

In the Catechism however, we find the following -

“Outside the Church there is no salvation”
"846. How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers? Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation; the one Christ is the mediator and the way for salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it."
LG 14; Mark 16:16; John 3:4. (LG = Lumen Gentium)
From Wikipedia -
Lumen Gentium, the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, is one of the principal documents of the Second Vatican Council. This dogmatic constitution was promulgated by Pope Paul VI on November 21, 1964, following approval by the assembled bishops by a vote of 2,151 to 5.[1] As is customary with significant Roman Catholic Church documents, it is known by its first words, “Lumen Gentium”, Latin for “Light of the Nations”.
So that’s a bit on the official side. For myself, as a former Protestant, I also happened to have a very wise, prophetic pastor for the first nine years of my Christian walk. And I mean “prophetic”. If he said he thought something would happen, it almost invariably did eg. “I think you’ll be doing a cleaning job for a short time. You won’t like it much, but I think the Lord will just want you to hear about a ghost.”

It sounded silly at the time he said it (probably 1990/91) but in 2006 I did a cleaning job for about four months, didn’t like it much, and heard about a ghost (a suicide dating back to the 1960’s). It also involved the only Australian priest I’ve seen on this web site, who just “happened” to be located in the very same parish where the “ghost” was confined. After a brief exchange of emails, he promised to say a mass for him, and I’ve left it at that. Funny how it all tied together though.

However this same, wise old prophetic pastor once commented to me “I sometimes wonder if Protestants get into heaven”. He went on to talk about how “some of the things Martin Luther said and did weren’t very Christian”, and that he didn’t think God accepted the division of the Church as easily as we do. Even after the pastor died, he appeared one night in a vision, and simply said “We’re not in heaven! We’re all in Purgatory. Oh, we’re not suffering any pain, so you don’t have to worry about that! In fact, it’s pretty good around here” (and here he looked rather impressed). Then he simply repeated “But we’re not in heaven.”

So that’s my particular “Private Revelation” for lack of a better term, and you can do what you want with it.

Personally I don’t think Protestants get into heaven, and I make that comment based as much on my personal experience of this wise old pastor whom I got to know pretty well. And I found from experience just how accurate he was.

Protestants know very well that Christ calls for unity, but continue to divide His body, more and more so as time goes by. On the other hand, I don’t think they’re condemned either. It’s quite obvious God often works through them, and quite strongly at times.

So I think there’s quite a few million of them camped outside the Pearly Gates waiting for the long overdue reconciliation of their particular denominations under the Catholic umbrella. When or if that happens, I think there’ll be a virtual stampede into the presence of the Beatific Vision.

That’s my take on it, right or wrong, and I’ve given you my reasons.
 
Personally I don’t think Protestants get into heaven, and I make that comment based as much on my personal experience of this wise old pastor whom I got to know pretty well. And I found from experience just how accurate he was.
If your Protestant pastor got to purgatory with all the rest of his Protestant friends, then they will make it into heaven, guaranteed. Interesting story. 👍
 
If your Protestant pastor got to purgatory with all the rest of his Protestant friends, then they will make it into heaven, guaranteed. Interesting story. 👍
If he’d been a Catholic, he’d have almost qualified as a saint, in my biased opinion.

However there was one other sideline. About a month or so after he died, I happened to be at one of his son’s homes. On a wall there was a small photograph of him. As I stood looking at it, reflecting on his life and influence, I had this distinct sensation of a sort of sweaty torridness in relation to him.

At that time I was still Protestant, but I think I was being shown that even he was undergoing some sort of purgatorial cleansing.

Anyway, that’s what I think it was. I still remember it.
 
Catholics don’t believe in being saved or not saved per se, as I’m coming to understand at least some Protestant faiths do. It depends on what you do: if you commit some mortal sin, then no–you won’t go to heaven, no matter what your beliefs are.
Even as a child in those long ago pre-Vatican II days I was never taught that Protestants wouldn’t go to heaven. As I recall (and I was a kid, so my understanding might have been pretty basic) you needed to believe in Jesus, lead a holy life and avoid sin. As Pope Francis now explains it, the entire human race is saved because of Jesus’s sacrifice, and it doesn’t matter if someone believes in Jesus or not for Jesus’s sacrifice to be of benefit.

I’ve struggled to understand the Protestant view of salvation ever since reading about it in one of Andrew Greeley’s books. As I understand it, a person is either saved or not saved, and what they do doesn’t matter. But that doesn’t sound right. Am I close? It doesn’t make sense to think that someone who was saved could go murder someone and still be saved. Or is that point that, someone who was saved wouldn’t do that? Also, is it true that Protestants don’t pray for people who’ve died? Is that all Protestant religions, or is it a common believe among them?
 
Welcome to CAF, katheriner!
Catholics don’t believe in being saved or not saved per se
We don’t? How do you believe we can enter heaven if we have not been saved? Are you referring to the position of “Once Saved Always Saved”? Yes, we would disagree with that position but we certainty require salvation.
It depends on what you do: if you commit some mortal sin, then no–you won’t go to heaven, no matter what your beliefs are.
There are a lot of people reading these threads. We need to be very clear as to the Catholic position. If one dies in mortal sin, yes, we will not make it to heaven. However, if we commit mortal sin and confess that sin and receive absolution, we will enter heaven.
As Pope Francis now explains it, the entire human race is saved because of Jesus’s sacrifice, and it doesn’t matter if someone believes in Jesus or not for Jesus’s sacrifice to be of benefit.
Can you please cite the specific quote from Pope Francis? I don’t think he would say this. What he has said and what the Catholic Church has always taught is that Christ redeemed all men through his passion, death and Resurrection. This is different than ultimately being saved, which requires a response from each of us to God’s grace.
I’ve struggled to understand the Protestant view of salvation ever since reading about it in one of Andrew Greeley’s books.
That may be because there is no such thing as the “Protestant view”. There are a wide array of beliefs among non-Catholic Christians.
 
No, please don’t insult my intelligence. I look to more scholarly theologeans (Christians with Phds and others who have studied the Bible extensively) who have a more non-denominational knowledge and viewpoint of the Truth of the Bible, and Christ’s purpose on earth.

I believe the Bible speaks to us all, since Christ died for us all. There have and always will be false prophets, those who distort the Truth, and heretics who falsify the Truth.

By reading the Bible and believing what it says, we can defend ourselves against them.

I do not believe in a church or a catechism as my protectors and savior. I believe in Christ as my Protector and Savior, and believe God’s written word, and I try my best to love and worship Him in all I do and say.

If you want to believe in everything the Catholic Church tells you to believe as written in the Catechism, that is your right. It is also my right not to.

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That may be because there is no such thing as the “Protestant view”. There are a wide array of beliefs among non-Catholic Christians.
Indeed. There are tens of thousands of “Protestant views” now, thanks to the paradigm of Me, my Bible and The Holy Spirit. It is a behemoth that was wrought by the Protestant Reformation, leading to the confusion of doctrinal chaos.
 
By reading the Bible and believing what it says, we can defend ourselves against them.
True. But what does it say?

There’s so many things which Protestants can’t agree on, as far as what the Bible says.
I do not believe in a church or a catechism as my protectors and savior.
Well, yes and no. We are saved by Christ, of course.

And we know what Christ revealed through His Body, the Catholic Church.

However, did you know that the Scriptures say that *we *can save? St. Paul says that he, himself, not Christ, saves folks.

Now, of course we know that when he says this he means that in union with the atoning death of Christ can he save.

And that is also what the Church means when she says that she saves you.
 
I do not believe in a church or a catechism as my protectors and savior.
And yet you believe what the Catholic Church told you belongs in the NT, and what the CC told you is excluded from being theopneustos, yes? At least as far as the NT canon goes.
If you want to believe in everything the Catholic Church tells you to believe as written in the Catechism, that is your right. It is also my right not to.
I’ve had similar discussions with atheists who tell me a similar paradigm. That is, they say, “If you want to believe everything the Bible tells you to believe, that is your right. It is also my right not to.”

How would you respond to this atheist?
 
This acknowledgment is huge, kmcarl. Huge.

What this means is that:

-you do not go by the Bible Alone. That is, you admit that you defer to the Church, and not just the Bible, to tell you what is God’s Word.

-you believe in the charism of infallibility, and that it has been given to the Catholic Church. At least, as it applies to the canon of the NT.

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Agreed, in part. I do defer to churches and what other Christians have to say about the meanings of verses in the Bible. That does not mean that I always agree with everything that they have to say, or how they implement what the Bible says in everything.

As far as I am concerned, the Catholic Church and its’ Catechism often takes the tiniest part of a verse and uses it to command and implement a certain rule of Christianity as absolute, when in fact that same verse can be taken to mean several things, or ways of thinking. Thus, I don’t think that I always have to take what the Catechism says (sometimes out of context) over what the Bible clearly says (within context).

My point is that I have a right to read the Bible myself, and to learn and grow as a Christian in fellowship with others. However, what I do with that information is up to me, and no one else. God is my only judge. Not the (or any) Church. Jesus is my only Savior, not the Church. Jesus is my only mediator to God, not Mary or the Saints.

These are my beliefs, and I stand by them. I will never try to admonish you for your beliefs. We were all indoctrinated by those who taught us. We all had a right to choose what to believe. I believe the Bible. You believe the Church.

Is that what you wish for me to believe? Believe in The Church? Believe in The Catechism? Believe in The Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, Priests? Why not believe in a Christian Minister, Preacher, Elder, or Deacon?

I don’t believe in anyone but God/Jesus. I don’t believe the Holy Spirit comes from anyone but God. I believe I am saved only by God. I believe that I am judged by no one but God.
I will not praise or worship anyone but God. I will not pray to anyone but God.

You have just as much right to your choice of denomination as I do. I choose a non-denominational Christian life. One that does not preach or obey anyone but God/Jesus as instructed to us in the Bible. :bible1:

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First…if you read the passages again…he had to accept his crucifixion as just punishment for his sins.

And when Jesus said Paradise…that did not necessarily mean heaven. Paradise to the Jews of that time meant Abraham’s bosom.

And do check out this icons…which depict St. Dismas, the good thief, on Abraham’s Bosom, which confirms early Church and Christian belief and teaching on what is meant by Paradise in context:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=725074
That’s all a bunch of bologna! Paradise is Heaven, and Heaven has been and is for eternity… from Abraham’s time and even past our time.

I don’t look at icons as any kind of proof of anything.

The point is that Christ forgave Him that instant, just because the thief asked him to. He had done no good works, he had never been baptized, he never attended church nor heard of God’s word. He simply believed that Christ was his Savior, and that He would forgive him. Pretty simple in my way of thinking. It’s not too complicated.
 
Yet here you are doing this, as well.

You follow the popes, cardinals and bishops of yore each and every time you quote from the New Testament, kmcarl.

For you defer to their authority to tell you what books belong in the NT and what books do not belong there.
Oh, no I do not. Let me clarify!

The Catholic Church did not write the Bible, Old or New Testaments. The Prophets and Apostles did, all of which were inspired by God’s Holy Spirit. Early Christians assembled the books under the careful watch of the Holy Spirit. The Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests, “The Catholic Church,” wrote the Catechisms, which in many cases have no scriptural fact to them.

The “Catholic” church was not even established until the time of Constantine. Whether a church is the “true church” or not is determined by comparing its teachings and practices to that of the New Testament church, as recorded in Scripture.

For instance, in Acts 20:17-38, the Apostle Paul has an opportunity to talk to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus one last time face to face. In that passage, he tells them that false teachers will not only come among them but will come FROM them (vv. 29-30). Paul does not set forth the teaching that they were to follow the “first” organized church as a safeguard for the truth. Rather, he commits them to the safekeeping of “God and to the word of His grace” (v. 32). Thus, truth could be determined by depending upon God and “the word of His grace” (i.e., Scripture, see John 10:35).

Moreover, Peter was not the first Pope of the Catholic Church.

The Roman Catholic Church claims that it can trace an unbroken line of popes back to St. Peter, citing this as evidence that it is the true church, since, according to their interpretation of Matthew 16:18, Christ built His church upon Peter.

But while Peter was central in the early spread of the gospel (part of the meaning behind Matthew 16:18-19), the teaching of Scripture, taken in context, nowhere declares that he was in authority over the other apostles, or over the church (having primacy). See Acts 15:1-23; Galatians 2:1-14; and 1 Peter 5:1-5. Nor is it ever taught in Scripture that the bishop of Rome, or any other bishop, was to have primacy over the church. Scripture does not even explicitly record Peter even being in Rome. Rather there is only one reference in Scripture of Peter writing from “Babylon,” a name sometimes applied to Rome (1 Peter 5:13). Primarily upon this and the historical rise of the influence of the Bishop of Rome come the Roman Catholic Church’s teaching of the primacy of the bishop of Rome. However, Scripture shows that Peter’s authority was shared by the other apostles (Ephesians 2:19-20), and the “loosing and binding” authority attributed to him was likewise shared by the local churches, not just their church leaders (see Matthew 18:15-19; 1 Corinthians 5:1-13; 2 Corinthians 13:10; Titus 2:15; 3:10-11).

Also, nowhere does Scripture state that, in order to keep the church from error, the authority of the apostles was passed on to those they ordained (the idea behind apostolic succession). Apostolic succession is “read into” those verses that the Roman Catholic Church uses to support this doctrine (2 Timothy 2:2; 4:2-5; Titus 1:5; 2:1; 2:15; 1 Timothy 5:19-22). Paul does NOT call on believers in various churches to receive Titus, Timothy, and other church leaders based on their authority as bishops or their having apostolic authority, but rather based upon their being fellow laborers with him (1 Corinthians 16:10; 16:16; 2 Corinthians 8:23).

What Scripture DOES teach is that false teachings would arise even from among church leaders, and that Christians were to compare the teachings of these later church leaders with Scripture, which alone is infallible (Matthew 5:18; Psalm 19:7-8; 119:160; Proverbs 30:5; John 17:17; 2 Peter 1:19-21). The Bible does not teach that the apostles were infallible, apart from what was written by them and incorporated into Scripture. Paul, in talking to the church leaders in the large city of Ephesus, makes note of coming false teachers. To fight against their error does NOT commend them to “the apostles and those who would carry on their authority”; rather, Paul commends them to “God and to the word of His grace” (Acts 20:28-32). It is Scripture that was to be the infallible measuring stick for teaching and practice (2 Timothy 3:16-17), not apostolic successors. It is by examining the Scriptures that teachings are shown to be true or false (Acts 17:10-12).

Was Peter the first pope? The answer, according to Scripture, is a clear and emphatic “no.” Peter nowhere claims supremacy over the other apostles. Nowhere in his writings (1 and 2 Peter) did the Apostle Peter claim any special role, authority, or power over the church. Nowhere in Scripture does Peter, or any other apostle, state that their apostolic authority would be passed on to successors. Yes, the Apostle Peter had a leadership role among the disciples. Yes, Peter played a crucial role in the early spread of the gospel (Acts chapters 1-10). Yes, Peter was the “rock” that Christ predicted he would be (Matthew 16:18). However, these truths about Peter in no way give support to the concept that Peter was the first pope, or that he was the “supreme leader” over the apostles, or that his authority would be passed on to the bishops of Rome. Peter himself points us all to the true Shepherd and Overseer of the church, the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:25).

Read more: gotquestions.org

I am so tired of arguing over dogma and tradition and catechism and such. None of that really matters to me.

My teachers are Christ and His Apostles, my instructions from God are in the Bible, my salvation is guaranteed by Him, and His love, grace and mercy for me are endless.

Period.
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Oh, no I do not. Let me clarify!

The Catholic Church did not write the Bible, Old or New Testaments. The Prophets and Apostles did, all of which were inspired by God’s Holy Spirit. Early Christians assembled the books under the careful watch of the Holy Spirit. The Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests, “The Catholic Church,” wrote the Catechisms, which in many cases have no scriptural fact to them.
Apparently your teachers are “got questions.org”. I would challenge you to understand not everything is recorded in scripture and the things that everyone did and knew and was undisputed has limited mention in the New Testament. Also the Catechism was compiled in the last century not 2000 years ago. It is a collection of doctrine and teachings from the teaching of the church through the centuries.

There is so much to say here, but to start I want to touch on what you wrote at the top.

“Early Christians assembled the books under the careful watch of the Holy Spirit”

Can you please share with me;

How you know this.

When it occurred

Why it’s not recorded in the Bible

Thank you
 
And we know what Christ revealed through His Body, the Catholic Church.
…“His Body, the Church” (not Catholic at that time)
However, did you know that the Scriptures say that *we *can save? St. Paul says that he, himself, not Christ, saves folks.
Oh my goodness, where in the world did you get that? Never does he say that he saves, not Christ! He says that we all can and should save people by ministering to them by bringing the Good News of salvation through Christ.
And that is also what the Church means when she says that she saves you.
Not exactly, when the Catholic Church says that she, and she alone, can save me. She doesn’t say that I have to believe in the Church, and become a member of the Church, and serve the Church, and all of that other stuff that the Church requires to be saved?

That’s not the kind of church I want to be a member of or follow in its’ beliefs. I don’t want a church whose leaders tell me that. I want a church that accepts me as I am, as a fellow Christian, a sister in Christ who only wants to serve Him. I want a church that doesn’t tell me where to put my hands when I pray to God, or what prayers to say when. I want a church that doesn’t tell me that I have to pray to Mary for Jesus to hear my prayers. I want a church that points to the Bible for answers, not another book called the Catechism.

I want a church that does not boast and is prideful. I want a church that is meek and prudent, and is simple and kind to all, accepting all who believe that Jesus is their personal Savior. I want a church in which all can be leaders in bringing more souls to Christ’s Church, His Body of Followers.

I do not feel acceptance and forgiveness by most Catholics. Instead, I feel tormented and distained. It’s as if I have a rare communicable disease, like a leprocy. I do not feel love, and mercy and grace by Catholics who just want to tell me that I am a mortal sinner, who will never have salvation through Christ’s sacrifice of blood on the cross.

That just isn’t the messages I get from reading Scriptures written in the Bible by Christ’s own Apostles, and others who followed Him. All I get from scripture is that Jesus loves me and all people with all His heart, mind and soul. I get from scripture that we are to love Him as he loves the Church (that’s us). I get from scripture that we are to love our neighbors and our enemies as we love ourselves.

I get from scripture that we are to go out into all the world and tell everyone we meet about God’s grace and mercy, and the Good News of forgiveness and salvation through Christ’s sacrifice of blood on the cross.

Christ has a Church. That Church is us, all of us who believe in Him, follow Him, and do as best we can to redeem ourselves to Him.

Heaven is for everyone who loves Him (and His Church)! Hell is for everyone who hates Him (and His Church).

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Km Carl

You claim the Catholic Church began with Constantine in the 4th century.

How do you explain these quotes.

Ignatius of Antioch 110AD

The earliest recorded evidence of the use of the term “Catholic Church” is the Letter to the Smyrnaeans that Ignatius of Antioch wrote in about 107 to Christians in Smyrna. Exhorting Christians to remain closely united with their bishop, he wrote: “Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”

Cyril of Jerusalem

Since the word Ecclesia is applied to different things (as also it is written of the multitude in the theatre of the Ephesians, And when he had thus spoken, he dismissed the Assembly (Acts 19:14), and since one might properly and truly say that there is a Church of evil doers, I mean the meetings of the heretics, the Marcionists and Manichees, and the rest, for this cause the Faith has securely delivered to you now the Article, “And in one Holy Catholic Church”; that you may avoid their wretched meetings, and ever abide with the Holy Church Catholic in which you were regenerated. And if ever you are sojourning in cities, inquire not simply where the Lord’s House is (for the other sects of the profane also attempt to call their own dens houses of the Lord), nor merely where the Church is, but where is the Catholic Church. For this is the peculiar name of this Holy Church, the mother of us all, which is the spouse of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God(Catechetical Lectures, XVIII, 26).
 
kmcarl56,

I think I would be more careful about my theology.

You said (underline mine):
The point is that Christ forgave Him that instant, just because the thief asked him to. He had done no good works, he had never been baptized, he never attended church nor heard of God’s word. He simply believed that Christ was his Savior, and that He would forgive him. Pretty simple in my way of thinking. It’s not too complicated.
Go back and re-read the Gospels (I’ll just paraphrase them here unless you want me to go look up the actual verses for you).

Initially both thieves derided Jesus.

The good thief apparently is gifted with a “death-bed” conversion.

Then the good thief (admittedly with graces Jesus had rendered to him) exhibits:
  • Repentance—We thieves deserve what we are getting but Jesus did no wrong!
  • Faith – “LORD” remember me when you come into “YOUR kingdom”.
  • Hope—Lord “REMEMBER ME” when you come into your kingdom. I HOPE to go to your kingdom. Please REMEMBER me.
  • Charity (loving works)—When the other (apparent unrepentant) thief reproaches Jesus, the good thief admonishes this guy. (That’s a good work—admonishing your fellow sinner. The good thief does a good work even while he is on the cross).
(I decided to look up at least this verse for your behalf)

LUKE 23:39-41 39 One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!” 40 But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed justly; for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.”

To say . . . .
He (the good thief) had done no good works, . . .
. . . is not consistent with all the passages.

Good thief exhibits:
  • Repentance
  • Faith
  • Hope
  • Charity
Now I am not saying the good thief EARNED his salvation with a good work exhibited.
I am also not saying the good thief EARNED his salvation with the faith that he exhibited either.

These gifts and the others were undoubtedly GRACED to him.

But my point is, when you act as your own personal “magisterium” and say, “He (the good thief) had done no good works”, when it is right in the verses that he DID do a GOOD WORK, then you need to ask yourself: **“Is it just possible I could be missing other theological points too?” **

I’m not saying this as a personal fault of yours. I am saying we all NEED Divinely protected guidance so the Spirit of God can guide us into ALL truth.

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JOHN 16:13 ** 13 When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

This is one reason WHY we need a protected Church. To teach us the “whole package” of authentic truth. In Protestantism, you have a “magisterium” too. But it is an unprotected “magisterium”. It is every one serving as their own “magisterium” or “pope” (Judges 21:25 is kind of a prefigurement of this phenomena). That’s what “private interpretation” is by definition. I know you wouldn’t put it that way, and either would my Protestant family members. But that’s what it amounts to.

Think about this principle.

You have exhibited a great amount of love for Jesus on these posts. You WANT to take in as much of God’s truths in this life as you possibly can. I know you do and I applaud you for that. You love God (as do I). But you will not get the “whole teachings” on your own or even with the help of mere scholars (whose teachings are frequently incompatibly opposed to one another).
 
kmcarl56, You stated:
. . . I do not feel acceptance and forgiveness by most Catholics. Instead, I feel tormented and distained. It’s as if I have a rare communicable disease, like a leprocy. I do not feel love, and mercy and grace by Catholics . . .
Forgive me. I am part of the problem.

But the Church that Christ founded, the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church is the solution. Take a very prayerful and careful look at the Church and try to have a better understanding of what it is, you are rejecting.

I think you have some serious misconceptions about the Church.
 
Then we are all guilty of the same thing! You also do as the Popes, Cardinals, Bishops, and Priests say. You follow the Catechism which was written by men.

As far as I can see, we all try to do what the Bible says: Love Christ as we love ourselves, love our neighbors as we love ourselves, and love our enemies as we love ourselves. To me, that includes ALL people, not just a select few who think exactly as we do. Anyone can open the Bible to a passage, and take from that passage what applies to that person in his/her own life. I need no other instruction book than the Bible. I do listen to other, more scholarly people, to gain full understanding, but still the full application is up to me.

Go with God, my dear friends in Christ.
Just wondering, and not that I agree with you, but you accused us of just listening to men.

Are these men you accused of of listening to also the same men who wrote our Cathechism the same men who wrote the Bible?
 
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