Catholics and marriage licenses

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Tis_Bearself said:
Oh, just your entire defensive attitude having a cow for several hundred posts when you didn’t get the answer you wanted back.

Nobody gets that invested in the marital doings of a “friend”.
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I really haven’t been that invested, lol!!! And “having a cow” ??? Really? 😂
 
alice24 said:
Edit_ state hasn´t existed before the early modern time, not in the way we think it today.
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I didn’t use the term “state” I used “civil” and “state or civil”.

After Rome fell in the West, and Germanic and Goth and Visigoth and Viking and whoever were on the scene, the Church accepted their form of marriage— givIng is dowery, exchange of ring, taking the bride into the home of the groom, betrothal, jumping a broom— whatever.

There was no Catholic specific ceremony creating the legal marriage, there was a church blessing of the (already entered into) marriage.

Today, in some places, the civil marriage and blessing of the marriage by the church takes place together, in others it remains as it was before— civil marriage followed by a blessing of that marriage in church.
 
ByWhatAuthority said:
Why not? Why can’t the Catholic Church choose to conduct “church only” marriages if it wants to???
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That’s the whole point

It doesn’t want to. It never has. Ever.

I don’t think you actually understand what the Church teaches about marriage. The Church doesn’t see marriage as only or even primarily as a church institution, it never has. The Church sees marriage as a natural institution, baptism elevates natural marriage to a sacrament.
 
I understand that perfectly. I understand that marriage should be recognized by the state. (If the couple wishes it to be) All this post was supposed to be about was the legal mumbo jumbo that we are forced now to commence with BEFORE the sacrament takes place. This is all about the church mandating Catholics to get a license/permission from the state to marry. Not about recognition of Catholic marriages by the state. Two completely different things.
 
No, they are not 2 different things.
The license is the precursor to the certificate. You get that, so that the person officiating the ceremony- whether religious or secular, can file the Certificate of Marriage.

If you and your “friend” are going to so vehemently oppose something, shouldn’t you understand it first?:confused:
 
Thanks for adding the extra info. I’d expect that to be the case.
 
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ByWhatAuthority said:
I understand that perfectly. I understand that marriage should be recognized by the state. (If the couple wishes it to be) All this post was supposed to be about was the legal mumbo jumbo that we are forced now to commence with BEFORE the sacrament takes place. This is all about the church mandating Catholics to get a license/permission from the state to marry. Not about recognition of Catholic marriages by the state. Two completely different things.
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If, after 476 posts you still have no clue about this issue, maybe you and your fiancé should speak to your priest about this. Although I expect you have and was given a very similar answer to what you’ve received here.

Obviously you care very little for what the Church teaches on this issue so why bother yourself with it. If you care so little what the Church teaches on this issue why care about what she teaches on other issues.

Maybe you should put a little more energy into trying to understand the Catholic faith rather than fighting against it. Given your reluctance to even accept another’s opinion about this issue makes me wonder if you are even mature enough for marriage?
 
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It may serve you well to take a step back from political news/blogs. These things seem to be clouding your judgement.
 
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