Catholic's and Protestants you better listen up!!

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You know guys it is said that in 1970 there were 100,000 Muslims in the US. Now this is over 9 Million.

It is said to keep your culture alive it takes a fertility rate of 2.11 per family.

The German Goverment state it will be a Muslim state by 2050.

It is said France will be Muslim majority in 39 years.

Europe fertility rate

France 1;8
Greece 1.3
Italy 1.2
Spain 1.1

In all 31 Countries it has a rate of 1.38, yet the Population has not declined. In 1990 90% is Islamic.

France 1.8
Muslim 8.1

Soon Europe as we know it will cease to exist.

It is said that 24 Muslim Organization met in Chicago and plan to evangelize us by Journalism, Politics, Education and more.

Canada fertlity Rate is 1.6
2.11 by muslims

It is said the CC the largest Christian Religion has just been surpassed by Islam.

I do not know exactly how accurate these are. And would suggest we all work together to see if this is really true.

We are at the bare min, in this country because of the Latino.
US 1.6
Latino 2.1

This is just something I think we all need to think about. Because if we do not all come together as Christians now, our Children are going to be in big trouble. I pray that these are wrong, but I am afraid that they are not.

Don’t you think its about time we all get back together and unite together the way we used to be? I believe that it is going to be the CC against the Islam. I believe that its going to be us against them. Because the CC is still the largest Christian faith in this world and we need to bond all Christians back together because if these reports are true we have alot of work ahead of us.

And if we want to Keep our Christian Faith known that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior we better wake up and get ourself and our Children back in Church. So they can teach our GrandChildren who Jesus really is.

Just something to think about.🤷
 
An approximate total number of Christians - which includes all denominations" is about 2.1 billion world wide

An approximate total number of muslims, globally is about 1.5 or 1.7 billion.

The problem with islam is that you can check in, but you can never check out.

Apostates of islam are to be “killed” - they are given 3 attempts to return back to islam.

If not, they are considered under “treason” for leaving islam.

I have a gut feeling that if muslims **had total free will to leave islam **behind and partake in another religion, or no religion at all, you would see the 2.1 billion number drop tremendously.

Just my 2 cents & my opinion.
 
… Rinnie…I also forgot to post this:

Any reason you left out the Eastern Orthodox Christians from your topic heading… 😛
 
rinnie said:
You know guys it is said that in 1970 there were 100,000 Muslims in the US. Now this is over 9 Million.

It is said to keep your culture alive it takes a fertility rate of 2.11 per family.

The German Goverment state it will be a Muslim state by 2050.

It is said France will be Muslim majority in 39 years.

Europe fertility rate

France 1;8
Greece 1.3
Italy 1.2
Spain 1.1

In all 31 Countries it has a rate of 1.38, yet the Population has not declined. In 1990 90% is Islamic.

France 1.8
Muslim 8.1

Soon Europe as we know it will cease to exist.

It is said that 24 Muslim Organization met in Chicago and plan to evangelize us by Journalism, Politics, Education and more.

Canada fertlity Rate is 1.6
2.11 by muslims

It is said the CC the largest Christian Religion has just been surpassed by Islam.

I do not know exactly how accurate these are. And would suggest we all work together to see if this is really true.

We are at the bare min, in this country because of the Latino.
US 1.6
Latino 2.1

This is just something I think we all need to think about. Because if we do not all come together as Christians now, our Children are going to be in big trouble. I pray that these are wrong, but I am afraid that they are not.

Don’t you think its about time we all get back together and unite together the way we used to be? I believe that it is going to be the CC against the Islam. I believe that its going to be us against them. Because the CC is still the largest Christian faith in this world and we need to bond all Christians back together because if these reports are true we have alot of work ahead of us.

And if we want to Keep our Christian Faith known that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior we better wake up and get ourself and our Children back in Church. So they can teach our GrandChildren who Jesus really is.

Just something to think about.🤷
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I agree, but when flesh and blood are involved, that will never happen.
The one thing that i pick up from other churches, and i mean in the main, not the main stream such as the CoE etc, is they all class the RCC and the Pope as anti Christ, in as much as they use Reverlation and the anti christ being the Pope, also using 2 Thess 2. So its not going to happen this side of the Jorden.
Ric
 
jakasaki said:
… Rinnie…I also forgot to post this:

Any reason you left out the Eastern Orthodox Christians from your topic heading… 😛
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Hey Buddy if I did YOU ARE IN!!😃 I honestly think that if things keep going the way they seem to be it won’t matter. We are ALL going to just go back to followers of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The things that we feel separate us now, will cease to exist. We are all going to become ONE IN CHRIST once again the way we should be.

I mean lets face it, If you have to carry the Label Roman Catholic to be Christian or follow Muhammad I think pretty much every single Christian would say okay so be it.😃

I mean if it came to that call us Christian Catholics, or Catholic Christians, or Christian Christians, it would not matter. As long as we were known as followers of Jesus Christ!!😃
 
rinnie said:
Hey Buddy if I did YOU ARE IN!!😃 I honestly think that if things keep going the way they seem to be it won’t matter. We are ALL going to just go back to followers of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The things that we feel separate us now, will cease to exist. We are all going to become ONE IN CHRIST once again the way we should be.

I mean lets face it, If you have to carry the Label Roman Catholic to be Christian or follow Muhammad I think pretty much every single Christian would say okay so be it.😃

I mean if it came to that call us Christian Catholics, or Catholic Christians, or Christian Christians, it would not matter. As long as we were known as followers of Jesus Christ!!😃
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Rinnie - I feel you are worring about this way too much.

Yeah, muslim women pump out many babies, and 1 man “may” have up to 4 wives…

Figure out 5 kids per wife, that’s 20 kids in the man’s household.

But remember what I wrote earlier - these people do NOT have free will to leave islam.

Which is the same reason “moderate” muslims do NOT stand up to the brutes & extremists of islam.

It’s all fear for their lives - mohamad said in the hadith… anyone who leaves the religion of islam shall be put to death.
 
jakasaki said:
Rinnie - I feel you are worring about this way too much.

Yeah, muslim women pump out many babies, and 1 man “may” have up to 4 wives…

Figure out 5 kids per wife, that’s 20 kids in the man’s household.

But remember what I wrote earlier - these people do NOT have free will to leave islam.

Which is the same reason “moderate” muslims do NOT stand up to the brutes & extremists of islam.

It’s all fear for their lives - mohamad said in the hadith… anyone who leaves the religion of islam shall be put to death.
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Oh thanks sweetie, Its not that I am worried about it. But I do believe that while there are many Muslims that are kind and gentle people, I feel its the majority of them are not. I wish so much that I could feel differently.

But it is not them here and that they could overpower us in people that bothers me. That does not concern me. What concerns me is I think that we were such a spoiled Nation as a whole that we forgot to TEACH Gods word to our familys enough.

It is not that they COULD overpower us, because we KNOW the truth. But how much of that Truth is passed down to our Children. Do you see what I am saying. We all PREACH but do we all Practice what we preach.

I mean our Culture has changed so so much. I don’t care WHAT faith you are. How many can say they go to Church like our Grandparents did, and their Grandparents.

But what I am trying to drive home on this one is This Point and this Point Only. We know Gods word, but was it taught enough to the next generations. Because if it wasn’t how would they know the truth.

Its just it was never an issue before. They were there, we were here. This was always a Jesus world. I mean yes you had a few who didn’t believe but not many, not really, you know what I mean. That always had the Church to go back to.

I mean you know your faith, I know mine, and look how we can be called on the spot! What would it be like if it were our kids. Could their MINDS be twisted? See what I am saying?
 
I don’t like the nature of this thread but that aside may be there is another way the number of Catholics could be increased. Both Catholicism and Islam disagree with artificial contraception. It would appear that muslims observe their faith better than catholics.
 
They won’t listen to God so what makes you think they will listen to you?
 
Riccardo said:
I agree, but when flesh and blood are involved, that will never happen.
The one thing that i pick up from other churches, and i mean in the main, not the main stream such as the CoE etc, is they all class the RCC and the Pope as anti Christ, in as much as they use Reverlation and the anti christ being the Pope, also using 2 Thess 2. So its not going to happen this side of the Jorden.
Ric
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There you go. You just proved my point. Ignorance of scripture. Which by the way if they understood scripture and the Pope was the anti-christ for goodness sakes then the gates of hades prevailed. Which would make the word of God a lie. And we know that Jesus Christ would never lie.

But if things like that could be believed in a culture like ours of today what would happen down the road.

But see I could easily show you scripture that would prove them wrong. Think about it, Jesus started the CC and Peter was who we consider the first Pope. Now rather you agree that Peter is the first Pope or not, you cannot deny that the Pope of Today has replaced Peter. History proves this. Which shows that to be impossible. Simply because Jesus said it would never happen.

Here is the scripture. Matt 16:18 And so I say to You, You are Peter and upon this rock I will build my Church and the gates of the neitherworld shall not prevail against it.

So you would have to prove that scripture wrong to claim that the pope is the devil and took over the RCC. Simply because Jesus promised us it would not. But see we have the word of God to defend us, and our Religion. But you get people who try to twist scripture but they can’t. We heard the words of Jesus and he said it will never happen.
 
rinnie has a real point, and the problem is that many Americans and people of Western nations are just too comfortable and believe nothing can happen to them… I am not a Republican nor am I a Democrat…I’m an NPA (no party affiliation) and consider myself a “centrist/conservative”…but I am a student of history and greatly believe in the adage “They who forget the past are doomed to repeat it”!

Islam is NOT a religion of peace! Muslims are not interested in integrating into our society or any other society as equals. They have zero interest in doing so. The 9th Sura of the Koran instructs muslims to subjugate or destroy kaffirs (non-believers), and modern mullahs and immams exhort their followers to “destroy America and kaffirs”.

Should you fail to believe this… go here: obsessionthemovie.com/ obsessionthemovie.com/index1.php I do not always agree with Glenn Beck…but on this subject I most definitely do!!

metacafe.com/watch/464944/obsession_part_2/

OR just jump to this link and watch the movie:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8662467646661149069#

I am not a fan of Newt Gingrich…but even he has called for a Federal Law to be enacted to prevent islamic sharia law being used in this country:

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/gingrich-calls-for-federal-law-banning-shariah-law-in-us.php

But hey its ok for an islamic in the US to behead his wife, right?
youtube.com/watch?v=3j8WLzZmAtk

Hey, its OK if you’re afraid to face reality and you choose to be politically correct…and you want to bury your head in the sand… I know that type of person… I have had discussions with people before about this, and the most amazing thing is that most Americans have become smug and arrogant and unbelieving with regards to the menace that we face… I gave a copy of the movie Obsession to a friend…and he was actually afraid to watch it!

You might be thinking right now…the guy writing this is a real “whacko”…but I’m sorry to inform you…I’m not, in fact I’m a fairly mellow kind of guy, somewhat apolitical, and generally easy going…but I have spent the majority of my life traveling and living all over the world and have been a student of history… and I am well aware of what is going on.

You can consider what Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said in the past: He has denied the Holocaust, he has sworn to destroy Israel, he has threatened the US with “War without boundaries”…abcnews.go.com/International/iran-president-threatens-us-war-boundaries-nuclear-faclities/story?id=11689305 And…Iran has been one of the largest financiers of terrorism to date. And he did so on our own soil. And the US taxpayer has to pick up the tab for his “security entourage”…

You can bury your head in the sand if you choose… But before you do, you’d best remember that the Arabs, (Muslims/Islamics) were allies of Hitler during WWII and were anti-US… So I guess the bottom line is: Will you stand to defend your faith and country or make “salat” and obeisance to Mohammed?
 
Matthew_Holford said:
I don’t like the nature of this thread but that aside may be there is another way the number of Catholics could be increased. Both Catholicism and Islam disagree with artificial contraception. It would appear that muslims observe their faith better than catholics.
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Or could it be that Catholic’s DO observe their Faith and that is why Catholic’s dominate the Christian faith:eek:

But I do agree with you it is the teaching of Christ and the CC that we are not to use artificial contraception.
 
It does seem like the vast majority of all Christians have drastically reduced the size of their families. I grew up in a family of seven children. I can’t remember when I last saw a family to with seven children. As a child a remember a family with 12 children.

I wonder what it would take for Christians to be fruitful and multiply once again?
 
Matthew_Holford said:
I don’t like the nature of this thread but that aside may be there is another way the number of Catholics could be increased. Both Catholicism and Islam disagree with artificial contraception. It would appear that muslims observe their faith better than catholics.
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Islam does not have a problem with artificial contraception as long as it does not involve permanent sterility. The difference is more that Muslims recognise that children are far more important than material goods and that the large extended family is an invaluable good that nothing else can replace. They are not corrupted by the selfish individualism that is predominant in the West.
 
RobHom said:
rinnie has a real point, and the problem is that many Americans and people of Western nations are just too comfortable and believe nothing can happen to them… I am not a Republican nor am I a Democrat…I’m an NPA (no party affiliation) and consider myself a “centrist/conservative”…but I am a student of history and greatly believe in the adage “They who forget the past are doomed to repeat it”!

Islam is NOT a religion of peace! Muslims are not interested in integrating into our society or any other society as equals. They have zero interest in doing so. The 9th Sura of the Koran instructs muslims to subjugate or destroy kaffirs (non-believers), and modern mullahs and immams exhort their followers to “destroy America and kaffirs”.

Should you fail to believe this… go here: obsessionthemovie.com/ obsessionthemovie.com/index1.php I do not always agree with Glenn Beck…but on this subject I most definitely do!!

metacafe.com/watch/464944/obsession_part_2/

OR just jump to this link and watch the movie:

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8662467646661149069#

I am not a fan of Newt Gingrich…but even he has called for a Federal Law to be enacted to prevent islamic sharia law being used in this country:

tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/09/gingrich-calls-for-federal-law-banning-shariah-law-in-us.php

But hey its ok for an islamic in the US to behead his wife, right?
youtube.com/watch?v=3j8WLzZmAtk

Hey, its OK if you’re afraid to face reality and you choose to be politically correct…and you want to bury your head in the sand… I know that type of person… I have had discussions with people before about this, and the most amazing thing is that most Americans have become smug and arrogant and unbelieving with regards to the menace that we face… I gave a copy of the movie Obsession to a friend…and he was actually afraid to watch it!

You might be thinking right now…the guy writing this is a real “whacko”…but I’m sorry to inform you…I’m not, in fact I’m a fairly mellow kind of guy, somewhat apolitical, and generally easy going…but I have spent the majority of my life traveling and living all over the world and have been a student of history… and I am well aware of what is going on.

You can consider what Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said in the past: He has denied the Holocaust, he has sworn to destroy Israel, he has threatened the US with “War without boundaries”…abcnews.go.com/International/iran-president-threatens-us-war-boundaries-nuclear-faclities/story?id=11689305 And…Iran has been one of the largest financiers of terrorism to date. And he did so on our own soil. And the US taxpayer has to pick up the tab for his “security entourage”…

You can bury your head in the sand if you choose… But before you do, you’d best remember that the Arabs, (Muslims/Islamics) were allies of Hitler during WWII and were anti-US… So I guess the bottom line is: Will you stand to defend your faith and country or make “salat” and obeisance to Mohammed?
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You are right. We think that we are so safe, and untouchable. Not to bring it up again but lets 911. I mean come on. And while I agree they have no choice to choose Jesus or Muhammad what makes us think that if they dominate us in the number of them against us that they are going to let us continue to live our way and not try to change us.

I mean come on, if they would not let you live in peace in their country what makes you think they are going to come over here and then all of a sudden live a peaceful life. The reason they never had peace is because its their way or death.

I mean forgive me, but I am not seeing this change of heart. But like I said what bothers me is, we have to ask ourself this. Is our Children of today in their 20 and 30 able to defend their faith? If they can’t do it today, and they do not learn soon, when is it going to happen? How? Especially when the Muslim faith could be the dominate faith. Thats all I am saying. If they don’t know it how will their kids learn it.

I am not saying we are not able to do this. But all I am saying is we need to ask this in our OWN HOUSE.

I am not here to compare the Catholic’s against the Protestants. I am asking Protestants and Catholics alike. Can you answer yes to this question. Could we put our kids on here right now and could they defend their own faith? Something to think about. While Christianty is the faith of this country.
 
rinnie said:
Or could it be that Catholic’s DO observe their Faith and that is why Catholic’s dominate the Christian faith:eek:
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Then how do we account for the fall in the birth rate in Catholic families, particularly in the west where artificial contraception is easily available. When the Pope visited the UK last week I remember a poll reported on TV that most Catholics don’t follow the Church’s teaching on contraception. On this occasion I believe what was reported on TV.
 
We do not have a right, either given by God or by the U.S. constitution, to a culture. I don’t think this is something that people realize. Rinnie, by your comments, I see that you greatly desire a return to a practicing christian majority. I think that would be fantastic. But majorities are not majorities by right, only by circumstance. God prevails no matter who it is that looks like they are running the world right now.

My former congressman used to talk about the change in culture (too many Mexicans not integrating like they ought to around here, etc.) as though it was an affront against justice. I do not hold this position. I know personally of one place that legislates, lobbies, etc for its “cultural rights.” It is the Canadian province of Quebec, and their national pride has mostly forced out one of the most important institutions in France’s and Quebec’s history: The Roman Catholic Church. This real life example, coulpled with my briefly explained belief above, really makes me wary of concerted attempts to enforce or perpetuate an established culture.

We Christians should become One in Christ, as He prayed. All peoples should become One in Christ. We should bring the fullness of Truth to Protestants and Orthodox Christians, but also to Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and atheists.

Every Christian should be willing to die for confessing Jesus. Converts from Islam do have the difficulty of being subject to execution, but so did all Christians under the Roman persecutions, and the Church never stopped growing then. Fear of death is no match for the Way and the Truth and the Life. We have a mission to evangelize, not to conquer, not to outbreed.

Rant over!😃

Thank you.
 
jakasaki said:
The problem with islam is that you can check in, but you can never check out.
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Sounds like being baptized Catholic. As a poster on here once told me, “Once Catholic, always Catholic - whether you like it or not.”
Apostates of islam are to be “killed” - they are given 3 attempts to return back to islam.
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Well, at least the Church doesn’t go that far.
 
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