Catholics and Sin, Why so Guilty?

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I apologize for making a blanket statement, but it’s impossible not to in order to ask my question.

Reading the Apologetics section and Ask an Apologist on this forum it seems that Catholics are obsessed with sin. Is X a sin? Is Y a sin? I did X by accident, am I going to hell? It’s so prevalent that there are other threads devoted to scrupulosity.

One often hears about “Catholic guilt,” but I always dismissed it. Now, I’m starting to take it a bit more seriously.

The questions run the gamut from accidental nocturnal emissions to missing Mass due to a headache to smoking a cigarette before communion. These are things I never worry about, yet you go to confession for discretely spitting piece of chicken in your napkin at a dinner party.

What gives? Why so guilty? 😦
 
I apologize for making a blanket statement, but it’s impossible not to in order to ask my question.

Reading the Apologetics section and Ask an Apologist on this forum it seems that Catholics are obsessed with sin. Is X a sin? Is Y a sin? I did X by accident, am I going to hell? It’s so prevalent that there are other threads devoted to scrupulosity.

One often hears about “Catholic guilt,” but I always dismissed it. Now, I’m starting to take it a bit more seriously.

The questions run the gamut from accidental nocturnal emissions to missing Mass due to a headache to smoking a cigarette before communion. These are things I never worry about, yet you go to confession for discretely spitting piece of chicken in your napkin at a dinner party.

What gives? Why so guilty? 😦
I think it stems from the fact that we do have to go to confession. What you are describing is an unhealthy scrupulosity that many Catholics develop. It is a very unfortunate thing. I too have seen many threads where people obsess over this. I remember coming across one thread where some guy was asking if it was a mortal sin to remove your scapular before engaging in the marital act. :rolleyes:
What needs to be realized is that, yes, we do take sin seriously, which is why we have confession, but no, we shouldn’t obsess over it to the point where we are feeling guilty and walking in terror of every little thing we do, even things we didn’t mean to do or did by accident. To be short, I think you are right about this, and this Catholic guilt thing is a wrong way of looking at sin and needs to be corrected.
 
Remember just because someone asks a question here doesn’t mean it’s something they obsess over unhealthily. There is some really random stuff makes it onto CF, and not just about sin.

For some people, who are shy or whose priests are very busy, this forum may be the easiest place to get information about whatever fleetingly crosses their mind. Some folks also prefer these fora because they can get answers fairly quickly and they’ll get more than one opinion, which if posters tend to agree with each other can be very reassuring.
 
I think it stems from the fact that we do have to go to confession. What you are describing is an unhealthy scrupulosity that many Catholics develop. It is a very unfortunate thing. I too have seen many threads where people obsess over this. I remember coming across one thread where some guy was asking if it was a mortal sin to remove your scapular before engaging in the marital act. :rolleyes:
What needs to be realized is that, yes, we do take sin seriously, which is why we have confession, but no, we shouldn’t obsess over it to the point where we are feeling guilty and walking in terror of every little thing we do, even things we didn’t mean to do or did by accident. To be short, I think you are right about this, and this Catholic guilt thing is a wrong way of looking at sin and needs to be corrected.
In the Lutheran Church, we hear in every service that we all are poor miserable sinners and are all beggars at the table.
 
In the Lutheran Church, we hear in every service that we all are poor miserable sinners and are all beggars at the table.
Thank you for your gracious support. 🙂

Hi, Conor, there are over 300,000 members of CAF and new members like yourself every day. You will find it is a limited number of persons who post thus. A lot who do seem to be young and finding their way. The majority of us never post in that manner.

God bless you!
 
Why? Sin is the only thing that can separate us from God. That separation can be temporal, or eternal. Go to any scripture search engine and hit “sin”. It seems that God, the prophets, and each scripture writer is also worried about sin. What is truly concerning is how* little emphasis* is placed upon sin throughout Christendom these days.
 
What gives? Why so guilty? 😦
How would you feel knowing by sinning you’ve pushed Christ away from you when all He does is give Himself to you unconditionally? It’s not fear of punishment for sinning one should feel guilt for, it is because it wounds Him that His love came second to you in that moment of sinning. We are no better than the soldiers who scourged Him at the pillar when we mortally sin but in fact worse, for they wounded His physical body while when we sin we wound his Mystical Body and all the members within it.
 
I apologize for making a blanket statement, but it’s impossible not to in order to ask my question.

Reading the Apologetics section and Ask an Apologist on this forum it seems that Catholics are obsessed with sin. Is X a sin? Is Y a sin? I did X by accident, am I going to hell? It’s so prevalent that there are other threads devoted to scrupulosity.

One often hears about “Catholic guilt,” but I always dismissed it. Now, I’m starting to take it a bit more seriously.

The questions run the gamut from accidental nocturnal emissions to missing Mass due to a headache to smoking a cigarette before communion. These are things I never worry about, yet you go to confession for discretely spitting piece of chicken in your napkin at a dinner party.

What gives? Why so guilty? 😦
Jansenism.
Victorian Heritage.
There are 2 ways of seeing God: Eloist and Yawist.
The Eloist is prevalent, heritage of pre-Vat II times and I will tell you, it makes people suffer a lot…
But people will slowly come to middle terms.
 
I apologize for making a blanket statement, but it’s impossible not to in order to ask my question.

Reading the Apologetics section and Ask an Apologist on this forum it seems that Catholics are obsessed with sin. Is X a sin? Is Y a sin? I did X by accident, am I going to hell? It’s so prevalent that there are other threads devoted to scrupulosity.

One often hears about “Catholic guilt,” but I always dismissed it. Now, I’m starting to take it a bit more seriously.

The questions run the gamut from accidental nocturnal emissions to missing Mass due to a headache to smoking a cigarette before communion. These are things I never worry about, yet you go to confession for discretely spitting piece of chicken in your napkin at a dinner party.

What gives? Why so guilty? 😦
I have to ask this question? What is Religion: Popery? Can you tell me?

Also, and just a comment toward sin. Let’s say you go to your doctor’s office for a check up but you know that you’re perfectly healthy, yet, you still go because seeing the doctor means you care for yourself in a physical way. As you know, we watch what we eat, get plenty of exercise, have a social life, have close ties with family and also we take care of our immediate family by spending time. There are many things in our lives that make us function as human being to make us grow and become healthy. As we should never take our health for granted - we have a balance in our lives. Take anything away - and in some way it becomes unbalanced - . In other words, we have to work at that balance. I have to refer to Genesis 1 (all) because it gives an account of the order in creation - take anything away from that order and perhaps that balance would be out of order. How about creating man on the first day instead of the sixth day or let say the separation between day and night take on another day - everything should have its proper order, a balance in man’s life and in creation.

Title: “Sin” worldviewpublications.org/outlook/archive/main.php?EDITION=044

"According to I Samuel 2:25, failure in carrying out one’s duty can concern the relations between men or between God and man: ‘If a man offends against (h’) a man, God will mediate, but if a man offends against (h’) God, who shall act as mediator?’ This passage indicates that the ‘sin’ against God was conceived as an ‘offense,’ as a failure to fulfill one’s obligation toward God. Since the root h’ denotes an action, that failure is neither an abstraction nor a permanent disqualification but a concrete act with its consequences. This act is defined as a ‘failure,’ an ‘offense,’ when it is contrary to a norm regulating the relations between God and man. . . "

So what’s sin? Sin, as they say, and I’m going to quote, is the direct effect of what happens when we don’t do or don’t listen – Sin can be called a symptom and also has a (what they say) a polluting quality – from out of anger, pain, loss, grief, neglect, failings – it’s recognizing the symptoms and then making a menz. As we try to make a new path out of the dark woods of these old hurt, we’ll make mistakes. We learn to forgive not only ourselves but those who don’t understand, we were given the ability to recognize our own shortcomings when we’ve lost that communication with God – and our neighbor. Our relationship with God, from both sides, is missed. The question is this “Return to me, and I will return to you," says the LORD Almighty. "But you ask, ‘How are we to return?’ – Where does the “wanting” to return back to God start? It starts by asking God to forgive us - and for us to recognize (for us “not” to be blinded by our own ambitions and failings)

Yes, like any person, who maybe thumbing through health journal or magazines or books - may over doing it but at least it will lead to a positive direction and not a negative one. Some Catholics as with any other denomination (and it doesn’t necessary have to be Catholics) will eventually “not” focus so much on the symptom but will fine consolation through Christ love for them and have that security. When you feel secure, you won’t have to continually ask - isn’t that how we feel when we’re around those we love and love us back?

Mary
 
This thread reminds me that I haven’t been feeling guilty enough in the past few months. 😉
 
I have to ask this question? What is Religion: Popery? Can you tell me?
Yes! Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of God. When Peter was martyred, a successor replaced him. Benedict XVI is the latest of those successors to Saint Peter. Now, he does not constitute a religion, or even the Catholic faith, but is only its visible leader. He’s the CEO that keeps the whole outfit running and on-task.

You asked.
 
Yes! Jesus gave Peter the keys to the Kingdom of God. When Peter was martyred, a successor replaced him. Benedict XVI is the latest of those successors to Saint Peter. Now, he does not constitute a religion, or even the Catholic faith, but is only its visible leader. He’s the CEO that keeps the whole outfit running and on-task.

You asked.
Yes, I did and I’m glad you gave it because that isn’t the definition that was given when I looked it up - are some members Catholic? It will make a difference on how some view sin and why Catholics put so much emphasis on it. (corrective statement)
 
This thread reminds me that I haven’t been feeling guilty enough in the past few months. 😉
The miracle is about how God forgives, opens our heart and mind to see the sin and still continues to love us. I think of all the times that God has forgiven man for terrible offensive but He sent us His son to return us back to Him - what greater love is there than this?

John 15:13

13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.
 
Yes, I did and I’m glad you gave it because that isn’t the definition that was given when I looked it up - are some members Catholic? It will make a difference on how some view sin and why Catholics put so much emphasis on it. (corrective statement)
Well, the Pope receives the Sacrament of Reconciliation (confession) probably weekly. John Paul II used to confess sin to a Priest twice per week. The Church has an examination of conscience. Read it and you will know that you sin. And, as mentioned, sin is the only thing - the only thing - that can separate us from God. It’s a much bigger deal that most of us think nowadays.
 
Well, the Pope receives the Sacrament of Reconciliation (confession) probably weekly. John Paul II used to confess sin to a Priest twice per week. The Church has an examination of conscience. Read it and you will know that you sin. And, as mentioned, sin is the only thing - the only thing - that can separate us from God. It’s a much bigger deal that most of us think nowadays.
I sin everyday, Po18guy - what makes you think that any of us are without sin? “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.”

Po18guy, the one thought, is that sin can blind and keep us in the dark. When we go to confession we ask him to open our eyes to our sins so that we can be clean of them - that is a miracle. We distances ourselves from God, when we don’t ask and don’t want to know.

Luke 13
Repent or Perish
1 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

Luke 13:6 Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. 7 So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’

8 “‘Sir,’ the man replied, ‘leave it alone for one more year, and I’ll dig around it and fertilize it. 9 If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down.’”
 
Well, the Pope receives the Sacrament of Reconciliation (confession) probably weekly. John Paul II used to confess sin to a Priest twice per week. The Church has an examination of conscience. Read it and you will know that you sin. And, as mentioned, sin is the only thing - the only thing - that can separate us from God. It’s a much bigger deal that most of us think nowadays.
P.S - that isn’t what I asked. What is Religion: Popery? Can you tell me?
po18guy: sin is the only thing - the only thing - that can separate us from God
I didn’t say that it wasn’t - and also you’re addressing information to the wrong poster on the subject.
 
What gives? Why so guilty? 😦
I’m not sure anyone could fully explain this to one who does not fully understand and accept the Holy Eucharist as a Catholic or maybe a Lutheran.

When we receive the Eucharist we are experiencing a the closeness of God like no other. A closeness that nothing else can bring (as this has been explained many ways). In preparation of this experience, we want to make sure we are as perfect as we can be at that time. Will we ever be as perfect as God? Surly not but he does ask us to try and confess when we are not.
 
I’m not sure anyone could fully explain this to one who does not fully understand and accept the Holy Eucharist as a Catholic or maybe a Lutheran.

When we receive the Eucharist we are experiencing a the closeness of God like no other. A closeness that nothing else can bring (as this has been explained many ways). In preparation of this experience, we want to make sure we are as perfect as we can be at that time. Will we ever be as perfect as God? Surly not but he does ask us to try and confess when we are not.
Two thumbs up! We can’t escape every sin but with God’s help, as He knows each one of us by name, that He will strengthen us:

7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power. 8 Although I am less than the least of all God’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles** the unsearchable riches of Christ**, 9 and to make plain to everyone the administration of this mystery, which for ages past was kept hidden in God, who created all things. 10 His intent was that now, through the church, the manifold wisdom of God should be made known to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms, 11 according to his eternal purpose which he accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord. 12** In him and through faith in him we may approach God with freedom and confidence**. 13 I ask you, therefore, not to be discouraged because of my sufferings for you, which are your glory.

A Prayer for the Ephesians

14 For this reason I kneel before the Father, 15 from whom his whole family in heaven and on earth derives its name. 16 I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, 18 may have power, together with all the saints,** to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, 19 and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God.**

20 Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, 21 to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen.

Just by reading the Apostle Paul’s letters should show the strength that God has - this apostle should be a testimony for anyone who is willing to change - as we read about the person he was to the person that Christ made him to be. When I read from the Acts of Apostle - I sometimes think, he’s pointing toward things that I’ve read and explaining them further…he’s has really helped me.
 
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