Catholics and their political views

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The same for me, ever since he discriminated against persons of color in the 1970’s when he made it difficult, if not impossible for them to rent or buy any of his apartments. Those who were discriminated against brought him to court was a discrimination and he lost. And then there’s the matter of the Central Park Five in 1989, that’s when I really started hating this man. Yes, I said “hate”, as he called for the deaths of five innocent black men. To this day he still claims that they are guilty. Trump has been ever changed and today’s “White Power” video retweet along with the fact that he added a comment of a job well done (by his standards) by thanking the “great people of the Villages.” in support of the original white power tweet is enough confirmation of his white hot racism. Maybe it’s just my opinion, but if a person who retweets a racist person shouting “white power!” and then states that the racist is among the “great people”, then something seems very insidious and demonic going on. Just a humble opinion as I am disturbed and upset by people posting white power videos.
 
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That is a great question. I used to be of the belief that Catholics could not vote for a pro-abortion candidate.

Then I rethought the belief. Why?

The official Democratic Party supports abortion. At the same time, there are people who argue that abortions actually go down under Democratic presidents because the Democratic Party favors programs to combat poverty and assist single mothers. They argue that under Republican presidents, abortions increase because Republicans tend not to favor government intervention to combat poverty.

Do I believe the above? Not really. But----it is a good argument. The point is that–what if someone who is against abortion votes for the Democrat because they really believe the argument?

So my belief is this: IF you vote for the person who is pro-abortion because you support abortion, then you commit sin. If, on the other hand, you vote for the person who is pro-abortion because you believe that while they support abortion, abortions will nevertheless decrease under their leadership, I don’t think you commit sin.

This, especially since Republicans have been promising since Roe was handed down in 1972 to appoint SCOTUS justices who are pro-life and will vote to restrict or overturn Roe. Have Republicans fulfilled their promise? No. They have talked a good game–that is it. Regan gave us Kennedy, Bush gave us Souter. Bush gave us Roberts–who, since Kennedy’s retirement has become the new loose canon on the court. Since taking over. Trump gave us Kavanaugh—who while conservative, is not the grand slam conservatives hoped for. It is too early in his tenure to see how the appointment will work out. For the first two years Souter aligned with the conservatives on the court then went off the deep end. I just hope “Kavanaugh” does not wind up becoming another word for “Souter.”

The point is that Republicans have not really done anything of substance about abortion. Thus, the idea that pro-lifers must vote Republican to end abortion–I am starting to rethink that too.
 
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The conversation is about how you know what conservatives & Trump supporters think better than they do. Nice try attempting to change the direction of the convo though.
 
I know liberal Catholics must find a way to justify their vote for Catholic pro-abortion Joe Biden, but this logic makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

The Republicans haven’t done enough to stop abortion so it’s fine with God to vote for a CATHOLIC candidate who believes it is fine to murder babies pre birth. And by the way, they babies they don’t kill, they support all these wonderful programs to provide help them be okay, not thriving mind you, thriving kids grow into independent thinking people and the liberals can’t have that.

Yes, I know there will be several response of "but Trump did…, Trump is…, Trump…whatever. Because we all know our government was perfect with zero problems until January of 2017. Everyone there before then did exceptional work with nothing but the good of the American taxpayer at heart.

DISCLAIMER Sarcasm used in this post.
 
Well true, except that he can’t ban abortion, it’s not up to him. And those other things are the same with the other parties. I’m not defending a Trump, but he is significantly better on abortion compared to the opposition.
 
No. It is you trying to change the subject. Let me show you the post you take issue with, unless there is another.
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One other thing and I am sorry to introduce it, maybe need another thread. Why are Trump supporters so over the top. As if he is the beat all end all who can do nothing wrong and whose word is Gospel.

I get it that we did not have good choices. Maybe he was the lesser of two evils on the political scene. Maybe even still is? But why can’t they acknowledge his shortcomings and do appropriate critique? It is his supporters who need to challenge him and hold him accountable. He will discount and insult everyone else.
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I am talking about Trump supporters who defend him no matter what. No mention of conservatives. No mention of how anyone thinks. Where did you get that? I am talking about behaviors. But you imply all conservatives are Trump supporters. I don’t believe they are.
 
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At this point, any post about who Catholics should vote for always devolves into “Trump supporters” vs “liberal Catholics” so I just block the threads.
 
Me thinks this is only going to get worse as we get closer to November…
 
First of all, I am not a liberal Catholic. I would consider myself a conservative Catholic. though my friends tell me I am a conservative Protestant. This is because the cohort of people I hang around with often conflate “conservatism” with “high church Roman liturgical pageantry.” I am not a “traditionalist” Catholic because I like a simple Mass–at least from the views of my friends. This, incidentally, is why many people thought Benedict was conservative. I would suggest that Benedict is actually liberal. But he is a high Church Roman–so many people just assumed he must be conservative.

So I am a conservative Republican. Now, in normal times, I also wonder how anyone who is truly Catholic could justify voting for a pro-abortion candidate—who is also usually the Democrat.

Trump sort of changes the rules. He is so controversial that I can understand why an otherwise good Catholic who is pro-life might vote for Biden. I do not agree with Biden, nor do I support him. At the same time, I think Trump has proved disastrous for our nation. The only other option is to vote for a third party candidate, but then you throw your vote away.

Add to that we have a pope who teaches confusing things, which confuses faithful Catholics and there you go. You have a pope who thinks the death penalty is on the same moral plan as abortion. Do I agree with that? Heck no! There simply is no comparison. Abortion is far worse. But if you listen to Pope Francis and take him seriously–no matter who you vote for, at least if you listen to Pope Francis—you are voting for people who support intrinsic moral evils.
 
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Trump took the tweet down, so his supporters will just say it was an innocent mistake… which means to say, they will once again admit he is thoughtless and careless in what he says and tweets… despite having more responsibility, and thus more moral culpability, than any of us here.
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In the past Trump publicly said he does not make mistakes and in my view it was not a mistake this time.
 
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Well true, except that he can’t ban abortion, it’s not up to him. And those other things are the same with the other parties. I’m not defending a Trump, but he is significantly better on abortion compared to the opposition.
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Trump does not oppose abortion. Before becoming a presidential candidate he always supported abortion but obviously could not publicly keep that position running as a Republican. His anti abortion stance is just a pretence.
 
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One other thing and I am sorry to introduce it, maybe need another thread. Why are Trump supporters so over the top. As if he is the beat all end all who can do nothing wrong and whose word is Gospel.

I get it that we did not have good choices. Maybe he was the lesser of two evils on the political scene. Maybe even still is? But why can’t they acknowledge his shortcomings and do appropriate critique?
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My guess is because the non-stop over-the-top media temper tantrum ever since 2016 has pushed his fans and more casual voters into a years-long defensive posture.

It’s hard to think clearly when you feel attacked even once. But day after day?
 
Maybe so. A habitual reflex. I suppose like a fight or flight response. The media gives the public what the public wants. And this reality TV president loves spectacle. Of course he would rather have flattering coverage.I think the media loves him because they give him so much material. But at this point anything positive doesn’t fit the narrative.
 
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