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Anal sex=sodomy. I directly answered your question.
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BTNYC
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The circumstances around that tragedy are not nearly as clear cut as the official homosexualist martyrology would have you believe. Drugs played a part and robbery was a likely motive.
I’m glad you mentioned bullying and suicide. I’m frankly shocked that so few people in the Catholic world have taken advantage of the opportunity presented by the current media fad of anti-bully hysteria to provide witness to the Faith. Bullies have been around for as long as there have been children. Children, however, did not start killing themselves in large numbers as a result of bullying until recently. Suicide is the demon here, not “bullying.” It is an horrific - but, sadly, very logical - by-product of a culture that is increasingly pushing God aside in favor of materialism, abortion, and carnal self-gratification.
Best explored in another post, but I thought I’d mention it.
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Hello, we’ve never met. I’m “Nom the Wise.” :tiphat: Nice to meet you. (You seem to be implying that we’ve crossed paths before, and that I’ve have not been forthcoming with you in the past. If that has happened, I apologize).
Anal sex=sodomy. I directly answered your question.
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Thank you. Really. Thank you.
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BTNYC
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Anal sex of any kind is sodomy. It is a mockery of genuine sexual intercourse and inherently contraceptive. Yes, it is a mortal sin for a husband and wife to engage in sodomy.
I don’t see how I “forgot to mention” it. One of my central points revolved around the duty of Catholic persons afflicted with same sex attraction to live chaste lives and its similarity to the duties of all Catholics afflicted with disordered inclinations (i.e. pornography, masturbation) to lead chaste lives. A Catholic person with same sex attraction living a life of holy celibacy is no more a “homosexual” than a recovered heroin addict is a “junkie.”
Why the “scare quotes” around the word sodomy? That word has been used unapologetically by great Catholic Popes, Saints and Doctors for 20 centuries. Is it beneath you somehow?
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Dude, are you a bishop or something? You’re just mowing 'em down! BTNYC for President!
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I suggest you listen to Catholic Radio, either in your car or via the internet. I know it’s not possible to be informed about everything but many in the Catholic World are speaking up. The current reaction among those involved in a committed gay agenda - just as committed as we are to our faith - is to shut down any useful witness with signs and shirts that read: “Stop the Hate!” “Stop the Bigotry!”
Did you know about Gay-Straight Clubs at Catholic schools?
thespec.com/news/local/article/655649–board-says-no-to-so-called-gay-straight-alliances
And the view from a gay and lesbian site [warning: some ads and bits of foul language]:
xtra.ca/public/national/catholic_bishops_prohibit_gaystraight_alliances_in_ontario_schools-9760.aspx
Peace,
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Dear BTNYC,
Cordial greetings and a very warm welcome to the world of CAF. Jolly splendid post that.
Unfortunately, dear friend, we have witnessed changes of enormous proportions and there have been significant shifts in public opinion as regards homosexual vice. How sad that the word ‘gay’ has been hijacked to describe a lifestyle that is anything but gay, which is why it should never be used by those who profess the holy religion of Christ. Moreover, many homosexuals have relished declaring themselves and becoming militant activists. Their agenda has been to promote homosexual deviant acts a normal expression of sexual behaviour, even within our education system, thus indoctrinating our precious children in their formative years. Indeed, the social climate has changed to such an extent that any opposition to homosexual practice is now bracketed with racialism, sexism, ageism and everything else that is considered politically incorrect by our crazy mixed-up and amoral world. There are men in high places - academics, media personalities, civil servants, trendy politicians on both the left and right and even liberal churchmen - who expend much time and energy encouraging the on-going canpaingn for so called homosexual rights. There has also emerged a ‘Lesbian and Gay Christian Movement’ which forcibly asserts that a heterosexual marriage and a homosexual liaison are two valid alternatives, being, in their warped opinion, tender, mature and faithful.
God-fearing Christians are frequently accused of having an attitude of personal hostility towards homosexuals, which is often refered to as ‘homophobia’, simply because they dare to declare that the increasing prevalence of homosexual vice is not only an abomination in the sight of God, but also a dreadful indication of God’s wrath upon a civilization which now glories in its post Christian character. Now, of course, Catholics who uphold the Church’s condemnation of homosexual acts of depravity with great relish and without a glimmer of love are wrong and earn Mark Twain’s caustic description of being "good people in the worst sense of the word’. Certainly our Church’s veto on homosexual behaviour is not an excuse not to express genuine love for homosexual people. Nevertheless, dear friend, we also need to be jolly wary of a spurious charity which refuses to speak plainly and bluntly and call a spade a spade. Thus we must never refrain, from a morbid fear of giving offence, from declaring the Church’s teaching that homosexual genital acts are objectively immoral and are the fruit of our fallen nature, as are other sins of the flesh. We must, dear friend, never give an uncertain sound on the trumpet by mincing our words or soft pedalling the truth to gain the good will of the homosexual community. Now, I am of the opinion that this is a very real danger today, where the primary focus is upon treating homosexuals with respect, compassion and sensitivity. However, respecting the dignity of every man does not mean giving approval to any and all sinful behaviour, contrary to the moral law of God.
God bless and hope that you find your time here informative and spiritually enriching.
Warmest good wishes,
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And don’t forget, we’ll be awarding the prize for the most tortured phraseology later in the thread. And now back to the posts…
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Nom_the_Wise
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I actually liked “official homosexualist martyrology.”
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Crescentinus
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I’ve seen my share of heterophobia.
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brasta_septim
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I’m never seen heterophobia in my life- you don’t see people being disowned, threatened, beaten, fired, shunned, and evicted for being heterosexual, do you? Except that some homosexuals have an actual fear of heterosexuals because of the way they’ve been treated in the past. As a member of St. Vincent de Paul, I have encountered homosexuals who are out on the streets because exactly the things I’ve listed above happened to them.
And as for the term “sodomy” for the sin of homosexual intercourse- hello, have you ever read Ezekiel? Do you see any mention there at all in the list of sins that got Sodom destroyed? While I will not disagree that it is a sin, I will say that Sodomy is an invented term rather like homophobia. I will never deny that homosexual copulation is sinful, Sodomy, while used by the Saints as a term for 20 centuries, is an innacurate term.
And there are actual spectrums of sexuality- the homosexuals I have encountered, and questioned while on cases, have clearly said that they felt attraction towards those of the same sex while every single person around them was heterosexual. If they’re being indoctrinated or made to beleive they’re homosexual by other infulences, then why is it they do not lose their attraction to the same sex, no matter how much people influence them to be heterosexual? What sane person would honestly choose to be attracted to the same sex, when they know they’d be shunned, discriminated aganst, and possibly killed for it?
And as for the term “sodomy” for the sin of homosexual intercourse- hello, have you ever read Ezekiel? Do you see any mention there at all in the list of sins that got Sodom destroyed? While I will not disagree that it is a sin, I will say that Sodomy is an invented term rather like homophobia. I will never deny that homosexual copulation is sinful, Sodomy, while used by the Saints as a term for 20 centuries, is an innacurate term.
And there are actual spectrums of sexuality- the homosexuals I have encountered, and questioned while on cases, have clearly said that they felt attraction towards those of the same sex while every single person around them was heterosexual. If they’re being indoctrinated or made to beleive they’re homosexual by other infulences, then why is it they do not lose their attraction to the same sex, no matter how much people influence them to be heterosexual? What sane person would honestly choose to be attracted to the same sex, when they know they’d be shunned, discriminated aganst, and possibly killed for it?
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This is the common apologetic for the situation homosexuals claim to find themselves in. Up to 1973, homosexuality was listed as a disorder by the American Psychiatric Association. And a lot of doctors spent many years collecting a lot of first-hand information from homosexuals. Then - poof, it was no longer a disorder after gay activists inside the APA and outside it, decided to have a vote to make it not a disorder.
I can’t think of a more polite way to put it, but do we see adultery pride parades or masturbator pride parades? Are the vast majority of chronic masturbators in the closet about it? I think the vast majority are. Adulterers? Same boat. I’ve never had anybody walk up to me and say, “Hi. I’m Bob and I’m a chronic masturbator and proud of it.” Along with men who frequent prostitutes.
For the longest time, we were told, “Whatever happens behind closed doors is nobody’s business.” And we were fine with that. We didn’t know or care to find out that the two nice ladies living down the street were lesbians, or the two guys on the next street were homosexuals. That’s how it was in the 1960s. For Catholics, whatever sexual sins you committed were meant to be kept private: (a) to avoid open scandal, (b) to avoid affirming it as OK and cause your weaker brother to consider it an option, and (c) it was between you and God. We weren’t to judge, or even gossip.
Now, parade floats of men in their underwear and wearing high heels or guys dressed like women. For what?
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Peace,
Ed
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brasta_septim
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Have I not said again and again that homosexuality is a sin? I said nothing of pride parades- which personally make me want to turn and flee, being a former resident of New Orleans who used to live near Bourbon Street when I was younger.
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You are lucky Brasta, that you had not encountered heterophobia.
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brasta_septim
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Also, need I remind that their are people who identify as homosexual who have actually never had any kind of sex in their life, be it the natural way or the perverse way? There is a difference between practicing and non-practicing homosexual; the teens who come out of the closet being of the latter type, usually.
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You hardly “demonstrated homophobia.” You asserted that homosexuals are sometimes victims of violence and injustice. This is true. But I am unable to leap with you from that premise to the conclusion that this etymologically dubious nelogism, first published in a pornographic magazine, defined and redefined and redefined again by an agenda that flouts natural law and actively seeks to harm the Catholic Church is a genuine objectively established phenomenon of evil that I as a Catholic am supposed to unquestioningly recognize and unthinkingly condemn.
The CCC advises us to avoid unjust discrimination with regard to homosexuals. Note the language: “Advises us to avoid.” If that sounds like the CCC is not treating the matter with the same urgency the homosexual agenda treats the pretended “homophobia crisis,” well, that’s because it doesn’t. That alone is worth consideration.
But, in any event, anything the Church advises me to avoid, I shall indeed take steps to avoid. Note the heavily pregnant qualifier: “unjust.” That clealry implies some discrimination against homosexuals is just. If I were, say, a landlord who owned an apartment building in which the majority of tenants were families with small school age children, I would absolutely refuse to rent an apartment to an openly, flagrantly active homosexual couple. That would be discrimination. It would even be illegal. But, considering the potential for moral confusion and harm to the children in the building, it would be certainly just.
If I were holding a prayer group for other lay faithful and refused to allow a former homosexual who was now struggling to live a chaste Christian life, that would be uncharitable. It would be unjust discrimination.
What forms of unjust discrimination would you say are “rampant” in America today? From where I’m standing, the homosexualists have been kicking one moral societal pillar out from under this country after another - and with great success.
Failing to see a great intrinsic difference between the weight of the cross of homosexuality and the weight of other disordered sexual inclinations is not the same as claiming they are identical.
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I agree with you that the relatively large number of homosexual serial killers is not relevant to the discussion at hand.
I disagree with your assertion that their homosexuality is only “incidental” to their crimes. Serial killing nearly always has a sexual component to it. Also, a life of habitual mortal sin opens one to demonic influence. Ted Bundy was quoted as saying that he’d never have progressed to serial killing without first being immersed in addiction to pornography. I have no doubt that that is true.
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I can’t quote the numbers offhand, but I’ve read studies that show a not at all negligible percent of adult homosexuals had their first sexual experience during puberty, with an adult “partner.”
That many of these people look back on that episode of abuse fondly and as a “positive experience” only confirms how grossly the Sin of Sodom darkens the intellect.
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