Catholics are ceding too much ground to the homosexual agenda

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Irrelevant question is irrelevant.
Is it really? A lot of this thread is about who controls the language of discussion and my questions have been very much about who controls the language of discussion.

So, irrelevant they may be to you but, to those of us who aren’t any more happy with the prospect of the ‘Cathualist Agenda’ than the ‘homosexualist Agenda’, they’re quite relevant.
 
Is it really? A lot of this thread is about who controls the language of discussion and my questions have been very much about who controls the language of discussion.

So, irrelevant they may be to you but, to those of us who aren’t any more happy with the prospect of the ‘Cathualist Agenda’ than the ‘homosexualist Agenda’, they’re quite relevant.
And now I’ll ask again.
Your point?
Sorry for the edit earlier.
 
Anal sex of any kind is sodomy. It is a mockery of genuine sexual intercourse and inherently contraceptive. Yes, it is a mortal sin for a husband and wife to engage in sodomy.

I don’t see how I “forgot to mention” it. One of my central points revolved around the duty of Catholic persons afflicted with same sex attraction to live chaste lives and its similarity to the duties of all Catholics afflicted with disordered inclinations (i.e. pornography, masturbation) to lead chaste lives. A Catholic person with same sex attraction living a life of holy celibacy is no more a “homosexual” than a recovered heroin addict is a “junkie.”

Why the “scare quotes” around the word sodomy? That word has been used unapologetically by great Catholic Popes, Saints and Doctors for 20 centuries. Is it beneath you somehow?
I only used the quotes because you did.
Can you explain why heterosexual anal sex is a mortal sin rather than intrinsically disordered.
Do you think you have an unhealthy obsession with this topic?
Have a nice day (as they say in America)
 
I only used the quotes because you did.
I was not aware that I had scare quoted the word sodomy. Perhaps I did. If so, appy-polly-loggies as they say in Nadsat.
Can you explain why heterosexual anal sex is a mortal sin rather than intrinsically disordered.
I cannot. I do not know that it is or is not intrinsically disordered in exactly the same way as homosexual sex. Ask a theologian.

I do know that a married couple is at least a properly ordered sexual pair, while a homosexual couple never is.

QUOTE=liturgyluver;9881103]Do you think you have an unhealthy obsession with this topic

I don’ think I do. Do you think you do? You’ve asked me to do an awful lot of thinking about heterosexual anal sex.

QUOTE=liturgyluver;9881103]Have a nice day (as they say in America)

“They” may say that in America, but I do not. I grew up in Queens, not Boise, Idaho. I am aware (and not unsympathetic) of British annoyance with this phrase.

Cheers.
 
There’s only really one question - if the equivalent to ‘homosexual agenda’ is ‘Catholic agenda’, what is the equivalent to ‘homosexualist agenda’? Is it, for example, ‘Catholualist agenda’? or ‘Catholist agenda?’
Sure. Why not.
 
I love a lively discussion. I love lively, passionate discourse at social gatherings and on online forums.
I love verbal economy. I’m introverted, so social gatherings upset me, and the last time I had a passionate discourse at a social gathering I had to see my therapist afterwards. 🙂 But I wholeheartedly support your enjoyment of lively discussion.
This is my first thread on CAF…
Welcome!
For one thing, note how lamentably widespread (even among Catholics) use of the term “gay” is… … And yet I hear Catholics using this term all the time – even good Catholics who oppose homosexuality – largely because the popular culture saturates us with it.

Worse, there’s a creeping tendency for use of the especially loaded acronym “LGBT” (or”LGBTQ”)…
…perhaps the combatants are simply choosing their weapons…you know, the pen being mightier than the sword - that kind of thing… and Catholics aren’t quite aware of how dangerous the other side’s arsenal is, not just yet, anyway…
No wonder then, that we even find Catholics making the most fatal concession of all in this most crucial moral debate – tacit (and sometimes explicit) affirmation of the existence of the completely invented “evil” of “homophobia.”
Just my opinion, but if a Catholic - hopefully a practicing Catholic - is honest, they ought to be the first to admit that homophobia exists though it is gravely wrong according to the Catholic Catechism. I don’t see how stating the truth is a fatal concession, at least not in the life of the soul. I think the whole sticking point is that of chastity, and maybe a misunderstanding of winning the battle (“the battle” meaning having verbal victories in debates) but losing the war (“the war” meaning living a life according to faith in season and out of season).
He who controls the language controls the debate.
Just my opinion, but I always thought actual debate was done with rational consideration and courteous listening on both sides. I’m not sure there is a debate going on but rather an attempt with those who have a homosexual agenda to break down Christian morality and replace it with whatever set of rationalizations soothe - deaden - their consciences.
Concessions are made left and right to the feelings of homosexuals. Good, holy priests like Father Marcel Guarnizo are punished for rightly withholding the Blessed Sacrament from bold, anti-Catholic homosexual activists and agitators seeking to use God’s most sacred Gift as a cudgel against the Church…
I sure wish St. Polycarp would come down here for a while…
Now I don’t deny for a minute that a person afflicted with sexual attraction to members of his or her own sex has a cross to bear in living his or her life chastely… I’m simply saying that their cross is not one whit greater or heavier than that of any other faithful Catholic struggling against the evils of this sexually sick age.
To me, this is a sort of “apples and oranges.” You probably don’t want to hear this again either, but we’re not to judge (actually means to condemn) one another. A heavy burden for one person might not even be a problem for another. God has tailor made each of our crosses.

Maybe you are saying here that because of pride some of us want more attention, more excuses, we want our rationalizations to be believed, acknowledged and accepted so we can ultimately continue in our sin. We also want to get rid of any reminders that we are acting immorally - so we persecute Catholics - practicing Catholics, I mean - and the Catholic Church.

… … …
And that gets to the heart of the matter – The notion that a person’s sexual proclivities and inclinations are a defining, ontologically rooted aspect of the person’s very self.
Just my opinion, but I think the heart of the matter is wanting to continue in grave sin and delude oneself that it is not sin.


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Isn’t it much more “hateful” to say nothing; to callously allow a soul to go down the road to perdition for fear of causing offense? We should be condemning sexual sins – all sexual sins – in the clearest, most unambiguous language possible, giving no heed to offending sensibilities that are of this world (and its prince) in so doing.
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In closing, I would like to refer anyone reading this … post … to the wonderful talk on “False Compassion” given by Venerable Fulton J Sheen. The whole thing is available on youtube and I highly recommend watching it in its entirety. But part 2 of the talk has special relevance here… youtube.com/watch?v=Ip7pKqfhWeo
As I read this post I kept thinking of the idea of what is more helpful, living in the problem or living in the solution (Chemists, by the way, say you have to either live in the solution or the precipitate, but I’m not a chemist so I don’t do that…).

So, do you have any solutions to what should be done, what should happen instead of Catholics letting their neighbor go on their merry way to the bad place? Any thoughts?

I’m very glad you’re here in these forums and I look forward to reading more posts by you.

God bless you. And please pray for me. I am in constant need of prayer.
 
I can’t quote the numbers offhand, but I’ve read studies that show a not at all negligible percent of adult homosexuals had their first sexual experience during puberty, with an adult “partner.”
For that comment to have any worth you are going to have to make the effort to quote the number and state the source. We can then see if the comment does indeed have any worth.
 
I was never an effeminate kid, but I was also not the most rugged lad in the neighborhood. I was kind of nerdy and bookish. That made me fair game. And to survive in that dog eat dog world, I gave as good as I got. I hurled the word “fag” back as often as it was hurled at me. But none of this was “homophobia.”
The fact that you weren’t gay does not mean it wasn’t homophobia. People use derogatory terms for those that they either don’t like, or those of whom they are afraid.

The kids treated you as gay and abused you as such. I might have been one of those kids because I was homophobic in my youth. Simply because, like them, I didn’t know any better. It wasn’t pleasant was it. It’s not pleasant being singled out because of your sexuality.

It’s not pleasant being described as immoral. It’s depressing to have you sex life compared to paedophilia as has been done in this thread. It’s tragic to have the life you share with another as a lead-in to bestiality. It’s a lot worse than the experiences you had to have it suggested that you are one step from incest.

The general population of almost all civilised countries don’t have a problem with people who are attracted to those of the same sex. The only time I hear of comparisons to bestiality and incest, the only time I hear that some of my friends and my niece are immoral and unnatural and abhorrent, the only time I hear that these people are a threat are in forums such as these.

Even within the Catholic laity these views are in the minority. As the percentage of people who think there’s a problem gets smaller year by year (and I’ve been following this for many years), the rhetoric becomes more intense. The dislike of gay people seems to be condensing. The arguments become more depressingly similar, month after month, week after week, thread after thread, post after post.

And as the posts become more acidic it drives the more thoughtful middle ground to one side or the other. Thankfully, from what I’ve seen, over the last few years, it’s driving them to what I consider to be the right side. For that, to all those who bring bestiality and paedophilia and incest and biblical references to sodomy to the discussion, I thank you.
 
The fact that you weren’t gay does not mean it wasn’t homophobia. People use derogatory terms for those that they either don’t like, or those of whom they are afraid…

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Dear Bradski,

Cordial greetings and a very good day.

You are, I feel, dear friend, reading far too much into the venomous name-calling, unkind though it may be, that some adolecents are wont to dish out to one another, often quite thoughtlessly. They are simply using any verbal abuse that they think will wound the feelings of another and be the occasion of emotional distress. This is wrong, of course, and undoubtedly can be the cause of much anguish and, where possible, those that use such virulent abuse should be hauled over the coals. However, as bad as it is, the majority do not often intend what we adults might intend when and if we use abusive epithets.

When I was in my early teens, dear friend, I was in a children’s home where it was very much survival of the fittest and where there were your resident bullies. Now because I was very softly spoken and of a diffident disposition I was continually picked-on and often called a ‘poof’ (a British derogatory term for a male homosexual). However, at that time I was unaware of the precise meaning of the word and even if my peers knew its true meaning, I do not for one moment think their use of it implied anything respecting my actual sexual proclivity. It was a case of boys being horrible little boys and using a word that they thought would wound my feelings. What wounded my feelings the most, however, was not their use of the word ‘poof’ but their unkindness and unacceptance of me as person. Having said that, I met one of these ‘bullies’ a few years ago and he is now a jolly decent chap and happily married, as I am myself. We spoke about how that children’s home was a harsh environment back in 1972-73 and that everybody was busy surviving it the best way they knew how, which sadly often meant ganging up on other boys, whose faces did not fit. You will never change this unkind streak in human nature, especially among youth, I am afraid.

Whether men hold to the authority of bible or the Church, dear friend, they do, even in their fallen estate, have an ethical intuition that certain behaviour’s are wrong because they are deemed to be unnatural. Thus we percieve that the natural sex companion for a human is another human and not an animal. By the same parity of reasoning, dear friend, the same applies to homosexual acts of depravity. The natural sex companion for a man is a woman, and the natural sex companion for a woman is a man. Thus people have a corresponding intuition regarding homosexuality that they do about bestiality, vis-a-vis, that it is wrong because it is unnatural. Therefore, it it perfectly reasonable to appeal to bestaility, by way of analogy, to demonstrate that homosexual aberrant acts are as unnatural as bestiality and as intrinsically disordered.

It is quite true, dear friend, that a militant homosexual activism has done much to indoctrinate Western culture into erroneously thinking that homosexual vice is nothing more than a so called alternative lifestyle choice or an ‘interesting variant’. Moreover, it is also true that there are liberal Catholic dissidents who strongly disagree with their own Chrurch’s stance on homosexual acts of depravity. However, it should be observed that these dissidents, however large their number may be, do not speak for the Magisterium and therefore they need not be listened to by the faithful. Moreover, even if the Pope alone believed that homosexual conduct was sinful and intrinsically disordered, he alone would be right and the entire world wrong. One is a majority with the Lord and as a dear friend of mine, now departed this life, was wont to say, “God’s truth will always prove correct no matter who questions or challenges it”.

Sadly, many Catholics today (even some who would identify as conservative as touching faith and morals) are going out of their way to ingratiate themselves with homosexuals so as to win their affections and respect. Sometimes, dear friend, it almost seems that they are embarrassed by and feel the need to apologise for their Church’s teaching, which they see to think is unduly harsh in its wording an jolly uncompromising. This is misguided sentimental thinking for the Church must be unyeilding and cannot mince its words when it involves a grevious sin and a violation of the natural law. Indeed, those who wifully continue to indulge in homosexual acts of depravity and remain impenitent risk eternal damnation in Hell. In the present climate, where modern man has become deeply suspicious of the whole concept of punishment for wrongdoing, this may sound like stern penny farthing theology. Nevertheless, it is the truth and the urgent need of the hour is for there to be more full blooded homilies and popular religious books on everlasting punishment and the exceeding sinfulness of sin. Perhaps this is what it will take to arouse us from our spiritual indifference and lethargy. A healthy dose of teaching on eternal punishment can act as a great deterrent for keeping sinful humanity on the straight and narrow path that leads to everlasting life. Unfortunately, intellectual attitudes were changed when Darwin and Freud posed the question whether a man was really responsible for his sins. However, teaching on eternal punishment was never overtly repudiated, and neither could it be being a cardinal doctrine of the faith, but quietly buried.

God bless.

Warmest good wishes,

Portrait

Pax
 
There is no such thing as Heterophobia for several political reasons, but those who persecute, mock, and attack those for their anti gay lifestyle beliefs are arguably “Heterophobic.”
They are not. They are not against all heterosexual persons, and therefore not heterophobic. There are homophobes, on the other hand.
 
They are not. They are not against all heterosexual persons, and therefore not heterophobic. There are homophobes, on the other hand.
Homosexuals trying to force all heterosexuals to acknowledge their relationships as “marriages” and trying to force heterosexuals to conform to their beliefs is Heterophobia. And those who don’t are labelled as hatemongers in a very Heterophobic and abusive way. Remember that “isms” and phobias can work both ways. A black person hating a white person is just as racist as the converse to that. Homosexuals are afraid of people who hold beliefs in traditional marriage. Just look at the recent Chick Ful A controversy. 'Nuff said.
 
I think heterophobia is the fear of anyone who might be opposed to the homosexual agenda in its entirety… Unfortunately, sometimes this fear can progress into a form of paranoid hatred towards heterosexuals who are merely ‘perceived’ as being anti-gay.

It is a stereotypical form of bigotry.
 
Dear Portrait,

As usual, an excellent post. Allow me to point out that our one hour in Church, plus Holy days of Obligation, are immediately drowned out the moment we set foot in almost any store that sells magazines or books, or when we turn on the radio, or listen to the TV news, and watch most TV programs. The words and phrases are repeated endlessly, the same words and phrases. So, we, in essence, by reading or hearing those words and phrases, meditate on them. This is an old propaganda technique. It makes even otherwise thoughtful and Christian people wonder: Am I missing anything? And notice the terminology: rights, bigotry and phobia. We are normally inclined to be for rights, if they can be shown to be legitimate, against bigotry, and understanding of the word phobia. So when the President of the United States, states that “I think homosexuals should be allowed to marry,” it makes me wonder: Here is an otherwise intelligent and articulate man, but he too, has been convinced of something. How? As the leader of this country, he has singled out a single group and attached his approval to their agenda.

Getting back to words and phrases, we have been taught to be sensitive to the way words and phrases are used. To make something unpleasant and even deadly, sound appealing, or neutral or vague.

The military are experts at this:

Neutralize or depopulate a village: As opposed to “we killed everybody.”
The target was neutralized: “We killed the man.”
Casualties: “29 men were killed in the last firefight.”

Or this:

Pro-Abortion, countered by Pro-Choice. Choice is good, right? Not when babies are being killed in the womb by the millions.

Pro-Death. Critics would immediately say this was un-Christian. Really? With millions dead and counting, are we not speaking accurately?

The same is true of the way gays are portrayed in all media, especially in the last few decades. And just like seeing an ad for a movie or a new product, we notice. The constant repetition of the key tenets of the gay agenda filters into the minds of the laity, priests, Bishops and the Pope. And so, when faced with constant cries of bigotry and accusations that “rights” are being denied, plus the support of the President of the most powerful country on earth, we have become sensitized to the wrong thing.

I offer the following quote ONLY to illustrate the technique I am talking about: propaganda, and its purpose:

“Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners. It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct. I do not care if I give wonderful, aesthetically elegant speeches, or speak so that women cry. The point of a political speech is to persuade people of what we think right. I speak differently in the provinces than I do in Berlin, and when I speak in Bayreuth, I say different things than I say in the Pharus Hall. That is a matter of practice, not of theory. We do not want to be a movement of a few straw brains, but rather a movement that can conquer the broad masses. Propaganda should be popular, not intellectually pleasing. It is not the task of propaganda to discover intellectual truths”

I hope that you, and others reading this, find this useful as to why even priests and some others in the Church, have been won over.

I think it worth repeating the example of announcing that you are a ‘non-practicing masturbator.’ I would never want to say such a thing in polite company, but I think it serves as a reminder that we need to analyze what ‘openly gay’ people are actually saying. And they are only - only - saying one of two things by declaring themselves openly gay: I practice homosexual behavior, I take pride in that and I want everyone to know. OR. I am going to tell everyone that I’m attracted only to those of the same sex. But why declare this at all?

The ambiguity must end, both among the laity and those ordained.

We must meditate on the truth daily.

Peace,
Ed
 
The reason many of us “declare” is because we are tired of being represented by the guy in spandex with the rainbow boa from the gay pride parade news coverage. When many heterosexuals think of gay people, they think of stereotypical images-and most gay people aren’t like that at all. It’s like saying that all Christians are the angry guy on the street corner with the megaphone screaming at everyone about how they are all going to burn in Hell because they are such evil sinners. Most Christians aren’t like him either.

Since most of us aren’t spandex-guy, and we don’t walk around wearing signs or labels (yet), we answer honestly about who we are so that straight people can see we’re not that different. We work, pay taxes, shop for groceries…all the boring stuff you do.

I am still hopeful that a day will come when nobody will have to “declare” because the stereotyping and irrational fears are gone.
 
It is indeed an invention. It was coined by a homosexualist psychologist named George Weinstein and was first used in print in a pronographic magazine in 1969:
Homophobia is not an invented evil because the concept represented by the word homophobia exists.
The Catechism never uses the term “homophobia.”
The Catechism does not use the word “racist.” Are you saying that racism does not exist? If not, then the fact that the Catechism does not mention homophobia is irrelevant.
Propcreative heterosexual sex outside of marriage is sinful by virtue of its being outside of marriage. It is neither gravely disordered nor intrinsically evil, however.
Heterosexual sex outside of marriage is intrinsically evil AND disordered because it is fundamentally impermissible.

Do your research and stop wasting my time with your worthless garbage.
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There are some concrete acts - such as fornication - that it is always wrong to choose, because choosing them entails a disorder of the will, that is, a moral evil.
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CCC:
It is gravely contrary to the dignity of persons and of human sexuality which is naturally ordered to the good of spouses and the generation and education of children. Moreover, it is a grave scandal when there is corruption of the young.
Suffice it to say that the state has neither the competence nor the right to punish thoughts and interior dispositions.
The state has the right to prosecute murderers, and those murderers have the right to identify the reasons for their crimes. Those happened to be homophobic, hence my statement that your post was incorrect.
I’m hard pressed to find the lack of charity in my assertion that disordered sexual desires are crosses of relatively equal weight…
Please read my posts:
"Baelor:
Pornography and masturbation addicts can conceivably overcome that addiction and get married. A homosexual may never have that possibility, and so the situations are incomparable.
Explain in what way my reasoning is invalid.
And I’m honestly trying not to see an offensive lack of charity in your blithe dismissal of masturbation and pornography addiction in order to establish same sex attraction as an unconquerable foe.
See above.
“And Jesus beholding, said to them: With men this is impossible: but with God all things are possible.”
We are still Catholics here, no?
Indeed we are. God’s infinite power does not mean that that He will choose to do everything that he is capable of doing, so that argument is irrelevant. Does he make the different not deformed? Sometimes, not always. Does he heal the sick? Sometimes, not always. Can he? Yes, always.
Do you believe there can exist a moderate and rational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people?
You claimed that homophobia is an invented evil. Do you not believe that murdering someone because he is gay is an extreme and irrational aversion to a homosexual person?
You misunderstood my use of the verse from Genesis. It was intended to show that there is no multiplicity of sexual orientations.
That is a scientific issue, not a religious one.
It was intended to show that God created the sexual faculty based on the ontological differences and complimentary aspects of the two sexes.
Indeed, and some persons have sexual disorders just as some have mental disorders.
It was intended to refute the homosexualist claim that homosexuality is some kind of indelible, ontological aspect of one’s very self. No reference was made by me to the state of holy celibacy, which is elsewhere in Scripture (and Catholic tradition) described as a *higher and holier *state than marriage.
Your using that quotation in one way does not prohibit me from using it in another.
It is indeed. Did someone fail to distinguish rape and fornication? Did anyone even bring up rape prior to your doing so?
Yes:
ProdigalArchitect:
They all fall under the lines of sexual sin.
The point is not that rape is different from fornication. The point is that if one accepts that they are different, then clearly “sexual sin” is an unacceptably broad category. The relevance follows obviously.
Not all mortal sins are of equal depravity nor do they all cause equal harm.
Which was my point.
And all of the disordered inclinations to sexual sin I mentioned have that in common, and all are, I believe, crosses to bear of comparable weight, relative to other mitigating factors (maturity, personal sanctity, etc).
Please read my posts:
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Baelor:
Pornography and masturbation addicts can conceivably overcome that addiction and get married. A homosexual may never have that possibility, and so the situations are incomparable.
 
Homosexuals may marry. They may not marry members of their own sex, because such a concept is meaningless.
The Church does not seem to acknowledge the morality of that possibility:
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Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.
Sexual faculties are an integral part of marriage. I hardly think the Church would look favorably upon a union in which one person is intrinsically unable to be aroused the other party.
That you can repeatedly dismiss the gravity of addiction to pornography so cavalierly is highly disturbing.
I did no such thing.
It absolutely can impede a marital vocation and it has been the downfall of many a marriage, as has homosexuality. The two are indeed similar and comparable in this respect.
Stop erecting strawmen; it is pathetic and it will not work. Read my posts:
"Baelor:
Pornography and masturbation addicts can conceivably overcome that addiction and get married. A homosexual may never have that possibility, and so the situations are incomparable
A person disgusted by sodomy is disgusted by something intrinsically evil and disordered and contrary to natural law.
Every individual should be disgusted with sodomy.
Your disgust is with the God-ordained means of bringing life into the world. The former reaction is properly ordered. The latter is not. I’m glad for your sake that your own parents (and mine for that matter) did not share your disgust.
Me too.

And sex is physically disgusting, although pleasurable. The concept of sex is not gross, the mechanics are. That does not make it less conceptually beautiful or practically pleasurable.
What was your opinion of the discourse on False Compassion by Venerable Servant of God Bishop Fulton J Sheen? He goes considerably further than I did, mentioning homosexuals in the same breath as “muggers,” “throat-slashers” and “prostitutes.”
Appeal to false authority will not work either. “Homosexual” describes a state independent of action; “muggers,” “throat-slashers,” and “prostitutes” all require action in order for that label to be applied properly. Thus, the comparison breaks down.
You hardly “demonstrated homophobia.” You asserted that homosexuals are sometimes victims of violence and injustice.
By virtue of their homosexuality, i.e. they were victims of homophobia.
This is true. But I am unable to leap with you from that premise to the conclusion that this etymologically dubious nelogism, first published in a pornographic magazine, defined and redefined and redefined again by an agenda that flouts natural law and actively seeks to harm the Catholic Church is a genuine objectively established phenomenon of evil that I as a Catholic am supposed to unquestioningly recognize and unthinkingly condemn.
Irrelevant. I was explicit about my definition of homophobia, which is also the definition found in arguably the most prominent dictionary in America. I fail to see in what way the definition I provided was inappropriate, incorrect, or even against Catholic teaching, nor has anyone even explained in what way it is not.

You have also not suggested an alternate word expressing the same concept as homophobia does now, so I have no choice but to continue using the word that I defined.
The CCC advises us to avoid unjust discrimination with regard to homosexuals.
It does not:
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2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. They do not choose their homosexual condition; for most of them it is a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.
It clearly states that it is morally impermissible to discriminate unjustly against homosexuals.
That clealry implies some discrimination against homosexuals is just.
Indeed, such as gay marriage.
But, considering the potential for moral confusion and harm to the children in the building, it would be certainly just.
That is arguable, but ultimately irrelevant, since I do not dispute that just discrimination exists.

No one in their right mind would argue that. No one is advocating for the blind to drive or the like, so who is arguing against you here?
What forms of unjust discrimination would you say are “rampant” in America today? From where I’m standing, the homosexualists have been kicking one moral societal pillar out from under this country after another - and with great success.
See my response to edwest.
Failing to see a great intrinsic difference between the weight of the cross of homosexuality and the weight of other disordered sexual inclinations is not the same as claiming they are identical.
I amend my statement to “identical in weight.”
I disagree with your assertion that their homosexuality is only “incidental” to their crimes. Serial killing nearly always has a sexual component to it.
I made it very clear in what way their homosexuality was incidental, i.e. to the motives of killing. They were not killing heterosexuals because they hated heterosexuals; their own sexual disorder was incidental in this sense.
 
You’ve probably silenced your own conscience via media and intellectual debate.
What makes you qualified to make that statement?
Homosexual actions are disgusting, and disgust is irrational.
Yet it follows from the natural order. Also note that disgust at homosexuals themselves is distinct from disgust at homosexual actions.
 
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