Catholics are ceding too much ground to the homosexual agenda

[pnewton]

Homophobia: “an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people.”

Then I am not homophobic. My aversion is inate and rational, but devoid of anger or hatred.

I have not issues with any term to describe these people, though I usually use homosexual as the most accurate and factual. I will use gay if the context calls for it, as in I am dealing with a group that best understands that word and I deem it respectful to do so. I have no problem using morally judgmental words like deviant and pervert if the context needs an emphasis on the immorality of the behavior. Just like I would use similar words for other immoral behavior.

 

[Seeker1961]

Religious people struggle against all kinds of sexual sin, including for some same sex attraction.

The difference is religious people who are properly informed don’t call evil good and good evil. That is what is at stake.

Sure we do, but let’s not deny that there is a segment of our population that really enjoys having a group that’s always worse so they don’t look so bad!

At some point in every one of these threads, the sanctimony starts to drip and the mirror needs to be put up. If you don’t see your reflection, the mirror wasn’t put there for you.

As you’ve pointed out, sexual sins are something many struggle with-however, I fail to see the plethora of threads on CAF discussing adultery, sex outside of marriage or divorce as evil…wonder why? I don’t see practitioners of such acts described as perverted or evil either…wonder why?

 

[pnewton]

As you’ve pointed out, sexual sins are something many struggle with-however, I fail to see the plethora of threads on CAF discussing adultery, sex outside of marriage or divorce as evil…wonder why? I don’t see practitioners of such acts described as perverted or evil either…wonder why?

The reason is that homosexual rights are being promoted at this time in our society. I was on CAF back in the sixties when the word “fruit” was used, but no one talked about this. Contraception and no -fault divorce with the hot topics. Back when I was posting in the twenties, it was dancing an bathing suits.

Your point is well taken, that we must never forget that homosexual sin is not in a special class in God’s eyes. The biggest sin in God’s eyes is the one that we commit. It is that sin we must address; the log. But the plethora of threads is a political construct.

 

[april32010]

As you’ve pointed out, sexual sins are something many struggle with-however, I fail to see the plethora of threads on CAF discussing adultery, sex outside of marriage or divorce as evil…wonder why? I don’t see practitioners of such acts described as perverted or evil either…wonder why?

if one were to post on this forum that adultery,sex outside of marriage,or divorce are not sinful ,i am sure you would have posts describing these acts as evil and perverse.

 

[Seeker1961]

The reason is that homosexual rights are being promoted at this time in our society. I was on CAF back in the sixties when the word “fruit” was used, but no one talked about this. Contraception and no -fault divorce with the hot topics. Back when I was posting in the twenties, it was dancing an bathing suits.

Your point is well taken, that we must never forget that homosexual sin is not in a special class in God’s eyes. The biggest sin in God’s eyes is the one that we commit. It is that sin we must address; the log. But the plethora of threads is a political construct.

Good point. I imagine once gay marriage is fully legalized the discussion will vanish the way those other topics have.

How could CAF have been here in the 60’s? There was no Internet then!

 

[Inego_de_Loyola]

Good point. I imagine once gay marriage is fully legalized the discussion will vanish the way those other topics have.

How could CAF have been here in the 60’s? There was no Internet then!

It involved a lot more ticker tape.

 

[pnewton]

How could CAF have been here in the 60’s? There was no Internet then!

Creative writing!

 

[markeverett49]

if one were to post on this forum that adultery,sex outside of marriage,or divorce are not sinful ,i am sure you would have posts describing these acts as evil and perverse.

I don’t know how much ‘evil’ and ‘perverse’ would pop up but I grant the larger point: what bothers many Catholics–I include myself in this group–is the claim that a) the Church is WRONG about homosexual acts; further, b) homosexual relationships are equivalent to heterosexual ones and should be treated as such and c) the only reason one could have for disagreeing with these claims is c) bigotry.

For a group that questions the possibility of moral absolutes, they don’t hesitate to sling 'em around when it suits 'em!

 

[Bradski]

…there is no other conclusion to be reached other than you are calling that person a pervert.

Yes, one may conclude that.

Thank you. We have agreement. Whether you want not to use the word because of social sensibilities or you don’t want to hurt someone’s feelings, or maybe because you don’t want to get a smack in the mouth is irrelevant to me. It may remain unspoken but ‘one may conclude’ that you are indeed ‘calling that person a pervert’.

Could you perhaps send me a copy of this agenda? I keep hearing about it, but it didn’t come with my Birkenstock sandals or collection of Broadway soundtracks. Obviously, you got one since you know what it says.

I like that…

6:00 am Gym etc

I know funny and that was funny.

Back when I was posting in the twenties, it was dancing an bathing suits.

And wasn’t the bandwidth simply awfull back then. And the fact that you could only use Gothic font.

 

[Carolus_Martell]

They’re are the great thinkers embedded amongst us that feel we should be forced, by threat of federal prosecution to love gays, just like our precious negros.

Why they were slaves 150 years ago in case you forgot. And gays are only degenerate reprobates by the thinking of your own outdated bible.

We Democrats know better than you…and we will force our will upon you. You just don’t know what’s best for you.

^ that opinion based on tradition will soon be arrestable and charged under hate speech…but only if you have money in the bank and own property.

If you belong to the perfect voter block you can say whatever is on your mind…because we know by looking at you how you will vote, and that excuses a lot of uncivilized behavior. So ‘carry on’.

 

[Bradski]

They’re are the great thinkers embedded amongst us that feel we should be forced, by threat of federal prosecution to love gays, just like our precious negros.

Why they were slaves 150 years ago in case you forgot. And gays are only degenerate reprobates by the thinking of your own outdated bible.

We Democrats know better than you…and we will force our will upon you.

Did I just read what I just read?

 

[Giants]

Did I just read what I just read?

Probably.

Sad thing is, I read it too and am not all that surprised.

 

[Carolus_Martell]

"They’re are the great thinkers embedded amongst us that feel we should be forced, by threat of federal prosecution to love gays, just like our precious negros.

Why they were slaves 150 years ago in case you forgot. And gays are only degenerate reprobates by the thinking of your own outdated bible.

We Democrats know better than you…and we will force our will upon you. You just don’t know what’s best for you.

^ that opinion based on tradition will soon be arrestable and charged under hate speech…but only if you have money in the bank and own property.

If you belong to the perfect voter block you can say whatever is on your mind…because we know by looking at you how you will vote, and that excuses a lot of uncivilized behavior. So ‘carry on’."

I said it and I meant it because next year …who knows?

 

[pnewton]

Did I just read what I just read?

Probably.

Sad thing is, I read it too and am not all that surprised.

I think I have just crossed over to…

The Twilight Zone:bigyikes:

 

[BTNYC]

QUOTE=Seeker1961;9905325]Could you perhaps send me a copy of this agenda? I keep hearing about it, but it didn’t come with my Birkenstock sandals or collection of Broadway soundtracks. Obviously, you got one since you know what it says.



amazon.com/After-Ball-America-Conquer-Hatred/dp/0452264987

topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/s/same_sex_marriage/index.html

imdb.com/title/tt0388795/

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=13628

huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/25/kevin-keller-gay-archie-comic-wedding_n_1113035.html

amazon.com/Princess-story-about-young-loves/dp/0615395945

bing.com/music/songs/search?q=born+this+way&songID=D4EAB206-0100-11DB-89CA-0019B92A3933&qpvt=born+this+way&FORM=DTPMUA

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parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={21351315-D12C-435B-B553-B1267BF782CB}

nbc.com/the-new-normal/

catholicnewsagency.com/news/illinois-professor-fired-for-giving-catholic-teaching-on-homosexuality/

mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2009/12/20th-anniversary-act-up-invaded-st.html

 

[Seeker1961]

amazon.com/After-Ball-America-Conquer-Hatred/dp/0452264987

topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/s/same_sex_marriage/index.html

imdb.com/title/tt0388795/

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=13628

huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/25/kevin-keller-gay-archie-comic-wedding_n_1113035.html

amazon.com/Princess-story-about-young-loves/dp/0615395945

bing.com/music/songs/search?q=born+this+way&songID=D4EAB206-0100-11DB-89CA-0019B92A3933&qpvt=born+this+way&FORM=DTPMUA

rferl.org/content/before-*****-riot-act-up-confronted-church-and-won/24668230.html

amazon.com/Heather-Has-Two-Mommies-Anniversary/dp/1593501366/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1350511576&sr=1-1&keywords=heather+has+two+mommies

parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={21351315-D12C-435B-B553-B1267BF782CB}

nbc.com/the-new-normal/

catholicnewsagency.com/news/illinois-professor-fired-for-giving-catholic-teaching-on-homosexuality/

The “agenda” behind most of the above is to make money…and that agenda is not exclusive to homosexuals. If it didn’t get viewers or sell albums, books or movie tickets, it wouldn’t exist.

I can honestly tell you that no amount of “propaganda” is going to make a heterosexual into a gay person. If entertainment had the power to convert, those of us who were born before Ellen would have been converted by now. As with all entertainment, if you don’t like it, don’t watch it, don’t listen to it and don’t read it.

If you want your children educated according to the teachings of the Catholic faith, then it is your parental responsibility to place them in good Catholic schools. My Dad worked two jobs and Mom worked outside the home to pay my tuition and the taxes for the school I didn’t go to. If they could do it, so can parents today. Public schools are not there to teach your children your faith.

The interesting one was the case of the Illinois professor which according to your link has not been adjudicated as yet. I’ll be interested in the outcome of that case, should it go to court. I notice that many of these things seem to end in settlements, with each side having received the publicity required to use said cases to fire up their base when needed.

 

[BTNYC]

The “agenda” behind most of the above is to make money…and that agenda is not exclusive to homosexuals. If it didn’t get viewers or sell albums, books or movie tickets, it wouldn’t exist.

What on earth makes you think capitalism can’t also be used as tool to further an agenda?

“The Passion of the Christ” made tons of money and was decried as promoting a “Christian agenda” (which it did, and I think that’s a good thing).

I can honestly tell you that no amount of “propaganda” is going to make a heterosexual into a gay person.

I don’t think anyone here is claiming it will. It does however, inure people to widespread practice of a grave evil.

Public schools are not there to teach your children your faith.

Very true. Nor should they be there to counteract the faith teaching I’m doing at home by teaching my children “tolerance” for a lifestyle fundamentally at odds with our faith and natural law.

 

[Nom_the_Wise]

amazon.com/After-Ball-America-Conquer-Hatred/dp/0452264987

topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/subjects/s/same_sex_marriage/index.html

imdb.com/title/tt0388795/

catholicculture.org/news/headlines/index.cfm?storyid=13628

huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/25/kevin-keller-gay-archie-comic-wedding_n_1113035.html

amazon.com/Princess-story-about-young-loves/dp/0615395945

bing.com/music/songs/search?q=born+this+way&songID=D4EAB206-0100-11DB-89CA-0019B92A3933&qpvt=born+this+way&FORM=DTPMUA

amazon.com/Heather-Has-Two-Mommies-Anniversary/dp/1593501366/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1350511576&sr=1-1&keywords=heather+has+two+mommies

parentalrights.org/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={21351315-D12C-435B-B553-B1267BF782CB}

nbc.com/the-new-normal/

catholicnewsagency.com/news/illinois-professor-fired-for-giving-catholic-teaching-on-homosexuality/

mpetrelis.blogspot.com/2009/12/20th-anniversary-act-up-invaded-st.html

You are a ringer, aren’t you! There’s no way you’re just a civilian, being able to put up a list of sources like that. C’mon, you’re a bishop. It’s okay, we won’t tell nobody.

 

[markeverett49]

. I can honestly tell you that no amount of “propaganda” is going to make a heterosexual into a gay person.

This is not the point. The point is to “normalize” homosexuality. This is achieved through convincing heterosexuals that homosexuality is its equivalent. It is not.

 

[Seeker1961]

What on earth makes you think capitalism can’t also be used as tool to further an agenda?

“The Passion of the Christ” made tons of money and was decried as promoting a “Christian agenda” (which it did, and I think that’s a good thing).

I don’t think anyone here is claiming it will. It does however, inure people to widespread practice of a grave evil.

Very true. Nor should they be there to counteract the faith teaching I’m doing at home by teaching my children “tolerance” for a lifestyle fundamentally at odds with our faith and natural law.

But again, if you want your children’s school to support the faith teaching you’re doing at home then send them to Catholic school, or homeschool. Then you don’t have to worry about them hearing anything other than the teachings of the Church. However, there will come a day when they will have to go out into a world populated by those who do not share their beliefs. Hopefully, their education and parenting will give them the tools to handle it.

I’m just not convinced of this mass conspiracy to do anything other than make money.