Catholics are deluded

[Zundrah]

The mormon church say that every other church does not have the authority to run them selves. They also say that Gods holy spirit can’t be with us because we are not memebers of the right church (mormon church).
They claim to be the one true church. But they are a crazed cult of lunatics. Ploygamy, exiling people from their community - it doesn’t sound holy to me!

 

[steve_b]

SteveB ;
Where did I get this list? I saw two people on a thread - they were goths and they were boasting that they had stole this covenent from a catholic web page. The other guy asked where he got it so I followed the link and copied it.
I now have no memory of what web page it was but I do remember that some how it lead me to this one; catholic answers. It was a long time ago. I sent it to a friend to comfirm if it was real or not. Obviously this friend was mormon - so rather than answer the question, she just rambled on about mormonism…
P.S. I wont let her brain wash me, but she keeps trying to drag me to her “temple” and join her church.:hypno:

Thanks for the explanation.

 

[withwind]

Ignore the threads title - I just wanted to get your attention!?

you had similar topics wanting attention badly. I suppose you are quite young.

 

[Zundrah]

you had similar topics wanting attention badly. I suppose you are quite young.

You replied to my CATholic baptism thread remember!?
I am 20 years old and looking for some catholic education!

 

[pismopal]

If a new " religion" is to be formed…the first thing necessary to do is to come up with a reason for the loss of authority or authenticity of the first religion. Even though sin is an intrinsic part of mankind…sinning is the usual excuse for “losing” authority. Non Catholic christian denoms use this reason partially as do LDS but islam came up with a little different angle…Arabic supremism.
Christ formed His Church and promised a leader “into all truth” and protection. If this wasn’t and isn’t now true…then what is?

 

[withwind]

I am 20 years old

I had a good guess.

 

[steve_b]

The mormon church say that every other church does not have the authority to run them selves. They also say that Gods holy spirit can’t be with us because we are not memebers of the right church (mormon church).
They claim to be the one true church.

Jesus started only ONE Church…Fact

He gave Peter, the keys of the kingdom, and the authority to run HIS Church…Fact

That kingdom will have no end…Fact

Our Lord’s Church has Peter and Peter’s successors as the head, and the successors to the apostles as the governing body. Who in their right mind could presume to start their OWN church 100’s or thousand’s of years later, and think they have the authority to do so?

And who in their right mind would join such a church especially given Paul’s warning as he writes to the Church of Rome

Rm 1
7* To all God’s beloved in Rome, who are called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 8* First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is proclaimed in all the world. 9 For God is my witness, whom I serve with my spirit in the gospel of his Son, that without ceasing I mention you always in my prayers, 10* asking that somehow by God’s will I may now at last succeed in coming to you. 11 For I long to see you, that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to strengthen you, 12 that is, that we may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith, both yours and mine.

Rm 16:
17* I appeal to you, brethren, to take note of those who create dissensions and difficulties, in opposition to the doctrine which you have been taught; avoid them. 18 For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, * and by fair and flattering words they deceive the hearts of the simple-minded. 19* For while your obedience is known to all, so that I rejoice over you, I would have you wise as to what is good and guileless as to what is evil; 20* then the God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you. …26 but is now disclosed and through the prophetic writings is made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith

Catch Paul’s key points?

• Rome’s faith proclaimed throughout the world
• division from this Church is evil, don’t do it. Remaining united in this one faith is wise and good
• God will ultimately crush Satan under the feet of the Church of Rome. :extrahappy:
• The obedience to this faith must be known and practiced by all nations

This is the Catholic Church in it’s beginning years.

 

[Liraco]

P.S. I wont let her brain wash me, but she keeps trying to drag me to her “temple” and join her church.:hypno:

If you could ask her for a fair trade, maybe something good would come out of it for her. Meaning that you go to a worship service of hers once BUT in return she must go with you to Church. I’d (of course) recommend a good Catholic mass but you seem to not be Catholic and might not be able to explain all that goes on in the mass (nothing some studying wouldn’t fix though.)

As has been said in another thread though, Mormon’s are generally brainwashed so that all logical arguments fly over their heads and they remain stubborn in their beliefs. So if you can, just plant the seeds and pray for her conversion. These things take time.

 

[Zundrah]

If you could ask her for a fair trade, maybe something good would come out of it for her. Meaning that you go to a worship service of hers once BUT in return she must go with you to Church. I’d (of course) recommend a good Catholic mass but you seem to not be Catholic and might not be able to explain all that goes on in the mass (nothing some studying wouldn’t fix though.)

As has been said in another thread though, Mormon’s are generally brainwashed so that all logical arguments fly over their heads and they remain stubborn in their beliefs. So if you can, just plant the seeds and pray for her conversion. These things take time.

Your right, they really are in a brain washed state. I have spoken to a few of them and they all seem to act the same - agressively defend their beliefs, put you down, say that any one out of there church is evil, despise the suggestion of the book of mormon having no purpose e.c.t.(which it doesn’t!)
And by the way, she will not go to a catholic church with me, she is a mormon missionary and would not miss her precious mormon service for gold! She wont go to another churches sunday mass or any thing. She is crazed…

 

[SonofMonica]

Zundrah, if you’d like to know more about what Catholic covenant theology is about, pick up the book “Swear to God” by Dr. Scott Hahn. You will not be disappointed in it, or in any of his books.

God bless.

 

[Liraco]

More than crazed, think of your friend as having been blinded by others, told to “protect” herself by losing all logical thinking (at least that seems to be the case from all I’ve heard on Mormons so far). Reasoning has no place with them as all they need is “faith”.

If going to mass is not an option, simply try to pray and always be a witness. One thing that I’ve seen suggested which could work is if you have a good book on true Christianity and just leave it or “forget it” in some place where your friend would be likely to find it eventually (for example “Catholicism for Dummies”, good book despite the silly-sounding title).

The reason for leaving a good book behind is that people tend to have their defenses up around others but tend to be most open to things when alone. While it’s quite possible your friend could just return your book, there’s always the chance one might get just a TINY bit curious and begin reading a few pages, and sometimes that’s all that’s needed to have them begin asking questions and seeking the truth.

 

[Zundrah]

Liraco,
She became a mormon when she was 14 yrs, and her family actually were catholic before they were “brain washed” by them. It started with a phone call from the church.
(if I can find the email she sent me, then I will post it here for you)
She told me it happened in 1974 - ish. So as you can imagine, she is quite old!
But I will give a go at trying to change her mind. But I will warn you, she is very serious about her mormon church.

 

[guanophore]

But I will give a go at trying to change her mind.

With all due respect and charity Zundrah, after having read a number of your posts, I think it would be in your best interest to focus on changing your own for right now.

 

[Zundrah]

With all due respect and charity Zundrah, after having read a number of your posts, I think it would be in your best interest to focus on changing your own for right now.

You are like a blood hound -

There is no “respect and charity” in what you are doing to me.

 

[Zundrah]

guanophore,

you are entertaining your self here, not me.
What are you exactly aiming for?
The past hour has been spent by me replying to your “hate mail” you keep posting.
If you think I am being silly then why bother responding to my threads???

You are planting bitter seeds that will bear no fruit.
Your intensions are really confusing me now.
Why do seem to love hounding me so much!?

 

[guanophore]

Ignore the threads title - I just wanted to get your attention!?
A mormon friend of mine sent me this after I asked her if the catholic covenents I found on the web were official; (I highlighted what she said in red)

Zundrah, posting thread topics like this is a symptom of trolls. Why on earth would you as a MORMON such a question?!?

Mormons generally know very little about the Catholic Church. Are they Mormon “covenants”, stating what Mormons believe about Catholics? If so, then CAF will be a much better source of information for you that some web sites posting such drivel.
"Mormon Friend:

As I see it:

The Catholic Church continues to believe they have the authority to administrate the kingdom/
The Protestents and all their decendent churches: protested that the catholic church had lost this authority and could not agree on doctrines so split into many different churches.

These are true statements.
Mormon Friend:

Our church (The Church of Jesus Christ of latter day Saints - Yes I'm a Saint and so are all the members of my church) claims that the Catholic church no longer has the authority of the original church as it had split and revolted against the authority of John and its priests and leaders mixed the philosophies of men with recorded scripture in the bible (a dead church).

This is an imaginal fiction.
Mormon Friend:

That the protestants did the best that they could to revive the old teachings of the church but did not have the devine authorship to do so,

This is a true statement.
Mormon Friend:

and that our church is lead by a living prophet who by the visitation of Jehova, Elohim, Peter James and John was given the keys of the kingdom in the last days before the second coming.

This is an accurate representation of what Mormons believe about themselves, also not consistent with the teaching of those same Apsotles who are named.

So any way this is what I sent her before hand;
“This is the official Catholic Covenants! Apparently…
Can you check for me if this is actually genuine? Please?”

I don’t know where you got these, but to me it seems rather counterproductive to ask an anti-Catholic if they are “genuine”.
Zundrah;5304556:

So what does she mean by saying “The Catholic Church continues to believe they have the authority to administrate the kingdom”?

Matt 28:18-20
18 And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”

Jesus has all authority. He commissions His Apostles with His authority. He founded One Church, upon the foundation of these Apostles. To them He gave the authority to teach, and to legislate (govern). He promised to lead them into all Truth.

 

[guanophore]

You replied to my CATholic baptism thread remember!?
I am 20 years old and looking for some catholic education!

It is quite alright to just say so, rather than posting attention getting and deceptive topics. We are quite happy to provide you with attention here, without any fanfare such as that.

 

[guanophore]

guanophore,

What are you exactly aiming for?

I found several of your threads and posts, so I went to your name and followed the link to “all posts by Zundrah”. I have found some disturbing patterns.

the past hour has been spent by me replying to your “hate mail” you keep posting. If you think I am being silly then why bother responding to my threads???

It is not hateful to be honest with people, Zundrah. I really do think it is in your best interest for you to work on your own thinking. It is clear that you are confused, and in a state of transition. I don’t think it is advisable for you to be conversing with a Mormon zealot.

You are planting bitter seeds that will bear no fruit.
Your intensions are really confusing me now.
Why do seem to love hounding me so much!?

It is not my intention to “hound” you or cause confusion, or plant bitter seeds. I am concerned about you, and about the potential effects of your posts here at CAF.

I read this post this morning:

I don’t know how personnal you can be on this site but basically I will give this a go;
I had something very bad happen to me when I was a child in a care home, (I don’t really want to say any more detail).

Even to this day it still really haunts me, I can’t seem to get away from the memory of it. It went on for so long and has never left my head. I suffer with bad depression now and that is probably why some of my post and threads seem a little wacky at times…
When this feeling of depression grips me, I don’t know what to do. How do I get away from it? My doctor wont give me medication for it - he says it will do more bad than good.
I stopped seeing my councellor about this. And I am scared of the court trial that will obviously come to surface one day…

It seems to me that you need help, and I don’t think that you can best get the help that you need by creating threads titled “Catholics are deluded”. You have stated that you want attention, and you now have it.

You are in my prayers, my young brother.

 

[Zundrah]

“You are in my prayers, my young brother” - Quite frankly I don’t believe a word you are saying.

" I don’t think it is advisable for you to be conversing with a Mormon zealot" - If my friend happens to be mormon, nothing is going to change that fact. I am not going to dump her because of what she believe in. That is nasty and contradictive of the scripture “Love your neighbour.”

Your post are having a bad effect on me.

And I do not believe that for one minuet you really mean that I am in your prayers. If you really are praying for me, then I obviously have something to be worried about since every thing you say is so negative.

 

[SonofMonica]

“You are in my prayers, my young brother” - Quite frankly I don’t believe a word you are saying.

" I don’t think it is advisable for you to be conversing with a Mormon zealot" - If my friend happens to be mormon, nothing is going to change that fact. I am not going to dump her because of what she believe in. That is nasty and contradictive of the scripture “Love your neighbour.”

Your post are having a bad effect on me.

And I do not believe that for one minuet you really mean that I am in your prayers. If you really are praying for me, then I obviously have something to be worried about since every thing you say is so negative.

Zundrah,

You know I take you seriously, as I’ve responded with love to your other threads and provided what I think is lots of explanation that is readily available elsewhere. But please, let’s drop this whole discussion about how this person’s posts are affecting you. It isn’t helpful to openly doubt the sincerity of one promising to pray for you. Just be thankful if someone does pray for you. Let’s move on, okay?

In Christ’s love,

SonofMonica