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Some of them do make a vow, no doubt, but you’re right it’s not that of a Priest.
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Liraco
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Just worry about planting a seed. DO that as best you can, but don’t “try” (as it implies a lack of determination). Even if she’s old, just trust that the seed will eventually bear fruit.
As to the other comments, all I’ll say is that please don’t post any more threads with a false title so as to avoid confusion or wrong impressions. You don’t need to seek attention here, just post and you won’t be ignored.
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mark_a
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I like the fact that these folks will actually say what they believe.
However, the Mormon Church is a johnny-come-lately also-ran started by one of them polygamist fellers like Muhammed.
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guanophore
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Why should you? If it is true what you have posted, and you were violated as a child, you have severe trust issues. You have absolutely no reason to trust me whatsoever. I accept that. However, you are in my prayers, and will continue to be. As you can see by my username there is the “prayer warrior”. I have made a commitment to pray daily for the members of CAF, and I especially focus on those such as yourself who are in distress. Th
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eeessh, such anger. No, refusing to converse with a friend or relative about religion or matters of faith is not “nasty”. It is having boundaries. When a person’s boundaries are violated when they are very young, especially by someone close to them that should be trustworthy, one often has difficulty with boundaries. I am not suggesting that you “dump” your friend, but to implement some appropriate boundaries. Scripture can help you with that.
Eph 5:6-12
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. 7 Therefore do not associate with them, 8 for once you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord; walk as children of light 9(for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), 10 and try to learn what is pleasing to the Lord. 11 Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
The religion of Mormonism is one of “empty words”. I think you know this, as you have posted that you have come to realize the Truth that is in Jesus and the Church He founded.
You can continue to love those who are opposite of the Church of Christ, but to allow such a person to fill your ears with pursuasive efforts to draw you into error is not healthy. It is better to tell such a friend or loved one, “I think we should change the subject”, or " I do not want to talk about matters of faith with you", or something similar and firm. “I love you, and you are my friend, but I cannot discuss this with you”. This is not contradicting scripture.
What does this mean, exactly? Does it bother you that I have said some of your behaviors here on CAF are not appropriate?
No, don’t worry. If you have given your life to Christ, as you say, then He has you in the palm of His hand, and nothing and no one can disturb you. I will pray for you every day, and throughout the day as the Lord reminds me. That does not mean I approve of your behavior. For example, I take offense at the title of this thread. I find it erroneous and unnecessary. However, I am glad you are here at CAF, and I hope you find what you need. If that is "negative’ then so be it.
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Zundrah
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Sorry, you are right.
Well, she came to my house on saturday and I can tell you that there is no chance that she is listening to me. I think she has been in the LDS church for far too long to hear what I’m saying. But I did give it my all and she is thinking about my question now.
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Liraco
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Now all that’s left to do is pray that the seed has been planted and, more importantly, that she opens herself to Him. She will not listen to reason or truth thinking that they seek to lead her astray, so then may she listen to Him who is truth.
I’ll be praying for you and your friend.
I’ll be praying for you and your friend.
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ricko
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There are many Mormons here at CAF. They believe in their faith that they have which they call “the burning in the bosom” supposedly the Holy Spirit guiding them. They do not use any reasoning, have no common sense and accept no evidence (or lack of) as proof that the LDS is a false religion. You cannot reason with them at all.
They believe in multiple gods
They believe that one could become a god themselves ruling over their own solar system.
They believe that the golden plates existed and the eleven witnesses that claimed to have seen them saw them with “spirit eyes” The others say there was a cover over the plates.
They believe that the angel took the plates away so Joseph Smith would not have to produce them as evidence. Similar to “the dog ate it” excuse
They believe that JS interperted the plates by placing a “seer stone” in his hat and sticking his face into the hat
They believe that there are two or three “apostles” still living today that were alive when America was populated by Jews
They believe the Church apostatized in the first century even tho Jesus says the Church would last forever
They believe Jesus left the world without a church for 1800 years until JS came along and “restored” the original church. I always wondered why didn’t Jesus use one of the “apostles” still alive?
They believe that their current “prophet” can change their doctrine at anytime by proclaiming a “revelation” from God as he did in 1978 changing their policy concerning African Americans.
They are basically nice people that have fallen into the clutches of a false, man-made religion that is considered a cult by all Christians.
They believe in multiple gods
They believe that one could become a god themselves ruling over their own solar system.
They believe that the golden plates existed and the eleven witnesses that claimed to have seen them saw them with “spirit eyes” The others say there was a cover over the plates.
They believe that the angel took the plates away so Joseph Smith would not have to produce them as evidence. Similar to “the dog ate it” excuse
They believe that JS interperted the plates by placing a “seer stone” in his hat and sticking his face into the hat
They believe that there are two or three “apostles” still living today that were alive when America was populated by Jews
They believe the Church apostatized in the first century even tho Jesus says the Church would last forever
They believe Jesus left the world without a church for 1800 years until JS came along and “restored” the original church. I always wondered why didn’t Jesus use one of the “apostles” still alive?
They believe that their current “prophet” can change their doctrine at anytime by proclaiming a “revelation” from God as he did in 1978 changing their policy concerning African Americans.
They are basically nice people that have fallen into the clutches of a false, man-made religion that is considered a cult by all Christians.
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Zundrah
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Ricko, you have a very good knowledge of Mormons!
I couldn’t have described them better my self!
They never make sense and I can never get through to her.
So badly brain washed…
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Zundrah
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She sent me this email (along with others too) -
"Peter had been told by Jesus that upon the Rock of Revelation the Saviour will build His church, Yes?
And that Peter had been given all the ‘keys’ of the ‘kingdom’ of heaven, Yes?
Now I have some questions for you to think about…
What are those keys exactly?
What happened to the them after Peter was given them?
What did the Saviour meen when he talked about the Kingdom?"
Tch, she wont give up…
"Peter had been told by Jesus that upon the Rock of Revelation the Saviour will build His church, Yes?
And that Peter had been given all the ‘keys’ of the ‘kingdom’ of heaven, Yes?
Now I have some questions for you to think about…
What are those keys exactly?
What happened to the them after Peter was given them?
What did the Saviour meen when he talked about the Kingdom?"
Tch, she wont give up…
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StrawberryJam
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Don’t worry about this- she is making the bold claim. She is the one who must provide the evidence. All the burden is on her to do that now.
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Zundrah
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Amen! That’s the whole thing! Mormons can never provide any evidence for there some times very far fetched claims! She will never be able to back them up. At least Catholics and protestants make a good case,
but Mormon cannot. They are a weird cult based on beliefs rather than truths…She also left a book of mormon at my house…
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Earnest_Bunbury
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Trade it for a Catholic Bible for yourself. Pick up a Catholic Catechism as well.
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Zundrah
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But where can I get one? All my bibles are protestants ones…
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CentralFLJames
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Any Catholic Religious Store - or online store.
You can get them mail-order too at Amazon or most anywhere.
I think New American Bible is just fine.
Douey Rheims or Ignatius Revised Standard Version-Catholic Edition Bible are probably the best “Catholic” bibles - but often more expensive.
Always look for an official Catholic endorsement with the imprimatur seal.
Check here: catholiccompany.com/catholic-catalog/464/Catholic-Bibles/
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Liraco
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How about you ask your friend what her answers are? She obviously seems to hold the answers so ask her to prove it. “What happened to them?” seems to imply she thinks Jesus came with a key chain and said “Hold these and don’t lose them, Peter”.
Since she seems likely to ignore a real Bible, I would recommend the Catechism instead which is generally cheaper and is good at explaining what Catholics believe (and you can look behind on the index to look for a wide variety of specific subjects since it’s so vast).
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Zundrah
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Sounds good to me. And I have often said to her that Peter can never loose the keys because they were promised that “the gates of hell shall never prevail against them.”How about you ask your friend what her answers are? She obviously seems to hold the answers so ask her to prove it. “What happened to them?” seems to imply she thinks Jesus came with a key chain and said “Hold these and don’t lose them, Peter”.
Since she seems likely to ignore a real Bible, I would recommend the Catechism instead which is generally cheaper and is good at explaining what Catholics believe (and you can look behind on the index to look for a wide variety of specific subjects since it’s so vast).
But hey, she is so deluded! She still believes in this “great apostasy”…that aparently caused peter to loose the keys? Hmmm…
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Liraco
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Well it would seem that rather than Peter losing the keys it was one of his successors who dropped the keys until an angel picked them up to give them to Mr. Smith for safekeeping. …or something like that.
Anywho, I remember seeing this book on the Catholic answers store which might be helpful to you if you want it on answering the questions of Mormons (written by someone who was Catholic, turned Mormon and then came back to his senses and went back to the Catholic Church).
“When Mormons Call”
shop.catholic.com/product.php?productid=194&cat=0&page=1
Anywho, I remember seeing this book on the Catholic answers store which might be helpful to you if you want it on answering the questions of Mormons (written by someone who was Catholic, turned Mormon and then came back to his senses and went back to the Catholic Church).
“When Mormons Call”
shop.catholic.com/product.php?productid=194&cat=0&page=1
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Zundrah
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Well it would seem that rather than Peter losing the keys it was one of his successors who dropped the keys until an angel picked them up to give them to Mr. Smith for safekeeping. …or something like that.
Anywho, I remember seeing this book on the Catholic answers store which might be helpful to you if you want it on answering the questions of Mormons (written by someone who was Catholic, turned Mormon and then came back to his senses and went back to the Catholic Church).
“When Mormons Call”
shop.catholic.com/product.php?productid=194&cat=0&page=1
“it would seem that rather than Peter losing the keys it was one of his successors who dropped the keys until an angel picked them up to give them to Mr. Smith for safekeeping.” Thank the good lord that he did come back to his senses!!! :bounce: :yeah_me: It’s all good in the end, because now we have this book he wrote to ward the lunatics away!
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Liraco
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It’s good that he came back, yes. I don’t think you should be viewing mormons as “lunatics” just because of what they believe. Rather, they’ve been deceived and have been blinded by that deceit to the point where almost nothing can get through to them. Which is exactly why one must plant what seeds he can and pray, because for all the evil that deceives people, God is infinitely more powerful than any of it. If anyone can do it, of course He can.
I certainly hope you don’t approach your friend as someone who’s “crazy” but rather as someone who just can’t see they’re being lied to and are lying to themselves now too. Just have patience and He’ll take care of it.
I certainly hope you don’t approach your friend as someone who’s “crazy” but rather as someone who just can’t see they’re being lied to and are lying to themselves now too. Just have patience and He’ll take care of it.
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Zundrah
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Amen, (I will try since she is coming to see me tomorrow).It’s good that he came back, yes. I don’t think you should be viewing mormons as “lunatics” just because of what they believe. Rather, they’ve been deceived and have been blinded by that deceit to the point where almost nothing can get through to them. Which is exactly why one must plant what seeds he can and pray, because for all the evil that deceives people, God is infinitely more powerful than any of it. If anyone can do it, of course He can.
I certainly hope you don’t approach your friend as someone who’s “crazy” but rather as someone who just can’t see they’re being lied to and are lying to themselves now too. Just have patience and He’ll take care of it.
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