Catholics assist in genocide!!

[Greatest_I_am]

Greatest I am;3193339:

Life is God’s gift - it wouldn’t exist without Him. It is HIS to give and take as He sees fit, just like my house that I build or own is mine to demolish if and when it suits.

It would be immoral for a stranger, who doesn’t own my house and hasn’t been asked by me to tear it down, to do so, but for me to do so is fine.

Murder (unlawful or immoral taking of life) simply doesn’t enter into the equation for the Author of Life. Just as unlawful or immoral demolition of a house doesn’t enter into the equation for the owner of that house.

Do you understand that you are not actually God, nor a god? Nor anything close, being a mere creature? What makes you think you are in any way on the same level as He such that the same rules apply to Him and to you? He is your maker, He tells you what to do. He tells you to kill, you kill. He tells you ‘thou shalt not kill’ then you don’t.

Any lawmaker who has to break His own law should not be trusted.

Laws are written for everyone. This includes the law maker.

God is our example of good moral action. If He use genocide then that would make genocide OK for us to use as well.

How could we condemn such action by humans while saying that God is right in using it?

Give your head a shake. Genocide by anyone including God would be wrong.

Regards
DL

 

[LilyM]

LilyM;3193404:

Any lawmaker who has to break His own law should not be trusted.

Laws are written for everyone. This includes the law maker.

God is our example of good moral action. If He use genocide then that would make genocide OK for us to use as well.

How could we condemn such action by humans while saying that God is right in using it?

Give your head a shake. Genocide by anyone including God would be wrong.

Regards
DL

He’s not breaking any law - the law simply doesn’t apply to Him due to His unique situation! By definition He is above those laws He sets for humans - He isn’t human, or at least He is much much more than human, so why SHOULD He be subject to laws designed only for humans and in order that they better themselves?

By saying that God is subject to the law you’re saying God needs to better himself and a) is imperfect and b) subject to some other or higher law or power (who might that be?). Which is nonsense, He is perfect and He is in Himself the supreme and only real power from which all else in existence derives. Subject to nothing and no-one.

By your logic (illogic) if I tell my child to go to bed at 8pm but myself stay up till 11 pm I’m being hypocritical and am not to be trusted. If I forbid my 10 year old from drinking alcohol when I drink (within reason) myself, I am hypocritical and not a fit example? What a load of rot. Dogs and cats aren’t subject to the same laws as us, let alone our human children, why should God be?

We literally cannot follow His example 100% in any event - we can’t create an ant let alone a universe, we can’t save all of mankind by dying to expiate their sins, we can’t raise ourselves from the dead nor ascend under our own power into heaven. So what makes you think His own behaviour is to be our guide in every circumstance? It’s His LAW which is to be our guide.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

Having done some Googling, I find that there plenty of websites out there with similar content. I’ve also noticed that when something from one of those sites is linked to, there will be responses along the lines of:

“That’s an anti-catholic site, they’re biased”

“They’re not catholic, they’re not qualified to comment”

or they’ll try to turn it around and rail against atheists.

It’s as if people are trying to ignore the church’s past wrong doings, in the hope that they will all go away.

The church is not beyond being challenged and brought to account when it steps out of line.

And it is not wrong that it should be challenged.​

If it is wrong - then people need to show what is wrong in challenging it when there is reason to think it is complicit in evils such as genocide. What is the moral or theological basis for criticising states for their crimes, & other churches for theirs - but not the CC for its crimes ?

If the whole world were co-extensive with the CC, burying such facts might be possible - but as there a great many people not under the control of the CC in any way, they tend to reveal all sorts of things it might not like to face up to. So If the CC or anyone in it denies some kind of wrong-doing that it has in fact been involved in, that is very stupid because very short-sighted: because if the CC tries to avoid facts by ignoring them, others will not.

So it’s no good whitewashing Pius XII (for example) if there are facts that put him in a less than saintly light; the same goes for the Church in Germany in WW2. If there are facts that Catholics try to wish away, or do not imagine to exist, Catholic nescience or ignorance of them is no guarantee that no one else knows of them.

Besides, a Church ought to favour & insist upon honesty in the writing of history, even when this has the effect of putting it in a bad light. When non-Catholics can apply such high moral standards, why can the CC not have standards which are as high ? Or does Catholic morality require low moral standards ? Surely not. What could be as shameful as having to look outside the CC for honest history because the CC fears honest history & can endure only flattering lies & propaganda that paint her as prettier & less deformed than she is ? If the CC’s claims about herself are true, she has less reason, & less excuse, to be afraid of what may be in her historical record than any other body on earth. No Church shold be as implacable an enemy of every kind of falseness - including flattering falseness in the composition of historical writing - as the CC.

 

[Greatest_I_am]

Greatest I am;3196360:

He’s not breaking any law - the law simply doesn’t apply to Him due to His unique situation! By definition He is above those laws He sets for humans - He isn’t human, or at least He is much much more than human, so why SHOULD He be subject to laws designed only for humans and in order that they better themselves?

By saying that God is subject to the law you’re saying God needs to better himself and a) is imperfect and b) subject to some other or higher law or power (who might that be?). Which is nonsense, He is perfect and He is in Himself the supreme and only real power from which all else in existence derives. Subject to nothing and no-one.

By your logic (illogic) if I tell my child to go to bed at 8pm but myself stay up till 11 pm I’m being hypocritical and am not to be trusted. If I forbid my 10 year old from drinking alcohol when I drink (within reason) myself, I am hypocritical and not a fit example? What a load of rot. Dogs and cats aren’t subject to the same laws as us, let alone our human children, why should God be?

We literally cannot follow His example 100% in any event - we can’t create an ant let alone a universe, we can’t save all of mankind by dying to expiate their sins, we can’t raise ourselves from the dead nor ascend under our own power into heaven. So what makes you think His own behaviour is to be our guide in every circumstance? It’s His LAW which is to be our guide.

We are judged by our actions. So is God. If He does not act honorably then he is a false god.

If His law does not apply then He can lie, cheat, fornicate etc.

When do we start to trust him if he can break his own laws.

If a politician did the same you would boot him out of office.

Why not a lying god?

Why not a killing god?

Regards
DL

 

[LilyM]

LilyM;3197688:

We are judged by our actions. So is God. If He does not act honorably then he is a false god.

If His law does not apply then He can lie, cheat, fornicate etc.

When do we start to trust him if he can break his own laws.

If a politician did the same you would boot him out of office.

Why not a lying god?

Why not a killing god?

Regards
DL

I’ve never heard such tripe.

God is by definition perfect in all He is and does. More than that, He is the very definition of perfection itself.

If whatever He is or does looks to you in any way imperfect it can only possibly be because your woeful brain capacity is totally insufficient to understand Him or what He does or why. Like your four-year-old child who thinks his bedtime curfew is so unfair because you get to stay up later.

It’s certainly not your place to judge an omniscient and omnipotent being that you don’t even come close to understanding.

 

[Greatest_I_am]

Greatest I am;3199537:

Since when is it for you pathetic worm - or any creature in this whole wide universe - to judge God??? By what authority do you claim to have any right to judge Him without whom nothing would exist?

Good morning fellow worm.
Who else but I can judge for me which God to follow.
Who else but you can judge which God you will follow.

For God to kill babies and children is evil.
A good God would never place Himself in a position of having to do so.

Regards
DL

 

[LilyM]

LilyM;3199540:

Good morning fellow worm.
Who else but I can judge for me which God to follow.
Who else but you can judge which God you will follow.

For God to kill babies and children is evil.
A good God would never place Himself in a position of having to do so.

Regards
DL

The difference between us is that I know I am a worm - you have deluded yourself into think you are no less than God almighty Himself, since no-one but God can judge God.

Listen, God is what He is - your choices are to accept and follow His commands or not accept, not follow and be damned. Either way, what you think He should do or not do doesn’t enter into the equation.

You are totally off the planet if you think that you can judge God, as if God has to answer to your ideas of what He should do or be!

Or worse still, think you can pick and choose between more than one as if your belief brings your false god into being or something.

Obviously you’re not even Christian, so I fail to see why on earth you would care in the first place what the Bible says about God or anything else, you clearly don’t believe in it.

 

[Greatest_I_am]

Greatest I am;3199545:

The difference between us is that I know I am a worm - you have deluded yourself into think you are no less than God almighty Himself, since no-one but God can judge God.

Listen, God is what He is - your choices are to accept and follow His commands or not accept, not follow and be damned. Either way, what you think He should do or not do doesn’t enter into the equation.

You are totally off the planet if you think that you can judge God, as if God has to answer to your ideas of what He should do or be!

Or worse still, think you can pick and choose between more than one as if your belief brings your false god into being or something.

Obviously you’re not even Christian, so I fail to see why on earth you would care in the first place what the Bible says about God or anything else, you clearly don’t believe in it.

I follow a God that would not use genocide against humans.
If you can justify why you would follow a genocidal maniac then I might listen to whatever else you might say.

Would you follow Hitler or the other fools that have tried genocide?
What did God gain with the flood? We still have evil all about and God must still return again to fix what, if His works are perfect, ain’t supposed to be broken?

Regards
DL

 

[catharina]

We are judged by our actions. So is God. If He does not act honorably then he is a false god.

If His law does not apply then He can lie, cheat, fornicate etc.

When do we start to trust him if he can break his own laws.

If a politician did the same you would boot him out of office.

Why not a lying god?

Why not a killing god?

Regards
DL

Your brain explode, maybe?

We are incapable of judging God. We can’t imagine the greatness of God.

God Himself tells us not to judge one another.
Judgment is left to the infinite comprehension of God.

Your declaring God to be a false god does not make it so.
However, it does provide a possible hint at the size of your ego.

“Trust in God” is on our money and in courtrooms.
We are called to believe in God, to love Him, to serve Him.

 

[Michael_Francis]

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