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TC3033
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Hmm…interesting.
Again, interesting. I may not bring that up if you have any non-Catholic Christians in your circle or family.
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OrbisNonSufficit
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I do have some in my family. I have nothing against those people either way. They know I believe Catholic Church to be true Church. Same way Christians do not necessarily think Atheism is a good thing, I do not think Protestantism is a good thing (on different level of course). It is simply religion I believe to be false. How can I think false things are good for others? Even so, I do not believe every non-Catholic is going to Hell or that any non-Christian is going to Hell. I love them dearly but that does not mean I will nod head to them if I think they are in error. Nevertheless, I respect their choices.
I act to them in similar way that Protestants would act towards Atheist friend (on different level, again… because Protestantism is at least Christian unlike Atheism).
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TC3033
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How is that, not even bring it up?
Like I said, my $0.02 would be I wouldn’t talk about non-Catholic Christians the way you do in front of non-Catholic family and friends…
If my wife’s family started telling my my faith background was the work of Satan, we probably wouldn’t be hanging around them too much anymore and Mass attendance with them would reduce.
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Maximian
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I feel that in this thread the OP is having words put into his mouth and being attacked for things he didn’t say.
He has never said, in fact he has repeatedly affirmed he is not saying, that followers of other religions are themselves diabolical. What he has said is that those religions, which are after all false religions, are there due to the influence of Satan.
The attempt to misportray him is very unfair.
He has never said, in fact he has repeatedly affirmed he is not saying, that followers of other religions are themselves diabolical. What he has said is that those religions, which are after all false religions, are there due to the influence of Satan.
The attempt to misportray him is very unfair.
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OrbisNonSufficit
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Thank you…
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Maximian
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There are two lines of response which I feel are abused on discussion fora. (A) “so you are saying that…” and (B) “what’s your source for that…?” Both can be used legitimately. But both can be abused too and often are.
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Elf01
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I think @TC3033 is saying what protestants hear by those words.
Words can communicate a lot more than was actually said.
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OrbisNonSufficit
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I apologize for offending anyone, but in the end it is clear that as Catholic I do not believe Protestant Churches to be True Church and any division from that Church is because Satan wants to divide Church.
It was worth to note that I indeed believe Protestant Christians receive Holy Spirit at baptism and that their Churches carry some parts of Catholic Church and hence also carry grace. Even if sacraments are null and void. However, while Protestant Christians are good people and fellow children of God, I do not believe Protestantism was intended by God. If I did, I would be Protestant.
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Minks
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Sorry, but words and their meanings are vitally important in discussing religion. Non-Catholics who believe in Christ are Christian, so, of course, that includes Catholics. However, non-Catholic Christians are not Catholic. To say that they are is false.GladTidings:
Well you do feel strongly about this issue.
I guess you don’t realize that the Christian denomination know they are Catholics.
Just not papist Catholics. Under Rome popes.
The counsal of Trent in 1564 created a greater division.
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OrbisNonSufficit
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They claim to be. In view of Catholic Church that claim is obviously false.
As did Nicea. Should we have believed that Jesus is “a” god and subordinate to God the Father, and that Holy Trinity does not exist? Clarifications do divide because truth divides. Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ said “I am the Truth” and He also said that He did not come to bring peace, but sword. He came to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. Christ divides and Christ is Truth, hence Truth divides.
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dollysro
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Education begins, and continues, in the home.
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TheLittleLady
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ccc 838: “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.” Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.” With the Orthodox Churches , this communion is so profound “that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.”
What is seems is you are denying that the validly baptized non-Catholics are of a religion other than Christianity.
Would you show me the Catechism that says validly baptized Christians are a religion other than Catholic?
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TC3033
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Hi Max, I’m assuming this is directed my way. I am in no way attempting to portray anyone in anyway. I had my faith background called the work of Satan. I’m not sure how else I’m supposed to take it.
Thanks @Elf01 . Exactly.
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