Catholics believe Jesus (PBWH) ordered the killing of idol worshipers.

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HashemEchad said:
Luke 19:27

Read the entire parable to get the full picture. It ends with, “But as for these mine enemies that would not have me be King over them, bring them hither and slay them in my presence”.

It was this passage that was used by medieval Christians to justify the killing of Jews and Muslims who refused to convert to Christianity.
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Why do you take it for granted of someone telling you a story?
 
HashemEchad said:
Luke 19:27

Read the entire parable to get the full picture. It ends with, “But as for these mine enemies that would not have me be King over them, bring them hither and slay them in my presence”.

It was this passage that was used by medieval Christians to justify the killing of Jews and Muslims who refused to convert to Christianity.
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Luke 19:27 is part of a parable.
 
mercygate said:
Luke 19:27 is part of a parable.
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Yes…and parables were designed to teach a lesson.

What lesson was Jesus trying to teach with Luke 19, pray tell?

If you read the entire parable in context, you see he is referring to Jews who would not believe in him, and the “king” represents him (Jesus).

I always found it odd how Christians have no trouble realizing that a parable is intended to teach a lesson…except when it comes to the one in Luke 19.
 
HashemEchad said:
Yes…and parables were designed to teach a lesson.

What lesson was Jesus trying to teach with Luke 19, pray tell?

If you read the entire parable in context, you see he is referring to Jews who would not believe in him, and the “king” represents him (Jesus).

I always found it odd how Christians have no trouble realizing that a parable is intended to teach a lesson…except when it comes to the one in Luke 19.
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My question is why do you think that what Jesus teach should literally be the same as the parable? If I tell you a story telling that if you don’t follow the Torah, you will be burned by the Chinese Atomic Bomb, will you believe it literally?
 
HashemEchad said:
Yes…and parables were designed to teach a lesson.

What lesson was Jesus trying to teach with Luke 19, pray tell?

If you read the entire parable in context, you see he is referring to Jews who would not believe in him, and the “king” represents him (Jesus).

I always found it odd how Christians have no trouble realizing that a parable is intended to teach a lesson…except when it comes to the one in Luke 19.
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Point taken. I would say, however, that it is God the Father who is speaking the fateful line, and in His perfect Justice, God the Father accepts the sacrifice of Jesus, Himself on behalf of those “who did not want me to reign over them.” In the context of Jesus’ life, nobody could construe this as a command to kill “the disobedient” as the OP claims. Jesus is the one who said “forgive them, for they know not what they do” – praying for those who were yet in sin and did not even know who He was,
 
HashemEchad said:
Yes…and parables were designed to teach a lesson.

What lesson was Jesus trying to teach with Luke 19, pray tell?

If you read the entire parable in context, you see he is referring to Jews who would not believe in him, and the “king” represents him (Jesus).

I always found it odd how Christians have no trouble realizing that a parable is intended to teach a lesson…except when it comes to the one in Luke 19.
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This lesson is not about the present. It is eschatological and applies to the time of Christ’s triumphant return. There’s still time to repent from sinful conduct, but you can only count on “today” in which to do so.
 
HashemEchad said:
Luke 19:27

Read the entire parable to get the full picture. It ends with, “But as for these mine enemies that would not have me be King over them, bring them hither and slay them in my presence”.

It was this passage that was used by medieval Christians to justify the killing of Jews and Muslims who refused to convert to Christianity.
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Miss Hashem, is that a wild guess or do you actually have a credible historical source which records christians quoting that verse as justification for slaughtering infidels? :confused:
 
Since Christians believe that Jesus (pbuh) is God, then for what reason did he i.e. Jesus, create the fires of Hell for?

Kindly note that the popular Christian argument that it is not the Creator but rather the creations who will send themselves to the Hell-fire does not at all answer this question.
 
hamba2han said:
Kindly note that the popular Christian argument that it is not the Creator but rather the creations who will send themselves to the Hell-fire does not at all answer this question.
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I agree. I think modern christians are ashamed of admitting that their God loved to torture infidels, heretics & sinners.

But i hear Muslims give the same excuse. So muslims are starting to feel the same embarrsment as well. 👍
 
hamba2han said:
Since Christians believe Jesus (pbuh) is God, then for what reason did he i.e. Jesus, create the fires of Hell for?

Kindly note that the popular Christian argument that it is not the Creator but rather the creations who will send themselves to the Hell-fire does not at all answer this question.
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Although this belongs on another thread, in the Christian Scriptures, God, Himself is understood to be “a consuming fire.” Our Scriptures tell us that we shall be “like Him.” Those who are not like Him – those who reject Him will find that consumng fire to be “Hell.”

I disagree that the creation bears no responsibility for his own destiny. But Christians believe in free will.
 
mercygate said:
Although this belongs on another thread, in the Christian Scriptures, God, Himself is understood to be “a consuming fire.” Our Scriptures tell us that we shall be “like Him.” Those who are not like Him – those who reject Him will find that consumng fire to be “Hell.”
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Are you saying that Christians do not believe in the existence of a physical Hell that will burn the souls of those who reject Jesus as their Lord and personal saviour?
 
AgnosTheist said:
Miss Hashem, is that a wild guess or do you actually have a credible historical source which records christians quoting that verse as justification for slaughtering infidels? :confused:
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I’ve read historical statements to that effect a number of times.

I also know that in more modern times, “Christian Identity” (antisemitic white supremacist) churches use that passage to justify their dislike of Jews.
 
Steven_John said:
Catholics believe Jesus (PBWH) ordered the killing of idol worshipers.

Muslims don’t teach Jesus (PBWH) ordered any killing.

Please pray to your Deity before you post and post with peace trying to see others point of view.
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Dont you find amazing that the time Jesus came the Romans ruled over Israel? then some years later Jesus sets up His Kingdom right in the heart of the roman empire? and not with wars or weapons but by His word? the Word that conquers all as He wishes. and still stands today.
because i do.

:byzsoc::bowdown:
 
Steven_John said:
If Jesus (PBWH) is God then he has ordered the killing of the disobedient in the old books.
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I still say this is all a ruse.

But if you are thinking about the Old Testament teaching: ‘an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth!’ Exodus 21: 23-27. That is perhaps one of the most misunderstood sayings in Scripture. It is not advocating plucking out of an eye for punishment. It is a warning to people who injure others to make equal compensation for the loss to their victims.

It also gives guidance to how far under the law one in Old Testament times were allowed to go in seeking revenge. One was not to extract from one’ s enemy more than what they had extracted from you as the injured party.

Jesus on the other hand said: ‘you know how it is written an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, I tell you to love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you!’ Hardly indicative of inciting violence is it?

Blessings and peace
 
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