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That seems like the easy part to me. Hypocrisy and rationalization seems to be second nature to our species. Consider the following:It is certainly easy to condemn the killing of the innocent. What is difficult is understanding how people can justify it.
47 year old white male detainee died while in US custody. Cause of death: Blunt Force Injuries and Asphyxia; Manner of Death: Homicide. Autopsy revealed deep bruising of the chest wall, numerous displaced rib fractures, bruising on the lungs, hemorrhage into the mesentery of the small and large intestine. Examination of the neck structures revealed hemorrhage into the strap muscles and fractures of the thyroid cartilage and hyoid bone. History of asphyxia, secondary to occlusion of the oral airway. Pleural and pulmonary adhesions. Hypertensive cardiovascular disease. According to report provided by the US army CID, the detainee was shackled to the top of a doorframe with a gag in his mouth at the time he lost consciousness and became pulseless. The severe blunt force injuries, the hanging position, and the obstruction of the oral cavity with a gag contributed to this individual’s death. DOD 00329 refers to this case as “gagged in standing restraint” DOD 003329 refers to this case as “1 blunt force trama and choking; gagged in standing restraint.” DOD 003324 refers to this case with a note indicating “Q[uestioned] by OGA [Other Governmental Agency - non-military, often refers to CIA], gagged in standing restraint.”
Cause of death: Blunt force injuries and asphyxia (torture/crucifixion)
I have argued that murder and torture are noted as non negotiable moral principles for Catholics, connected by papal decree to abortion (Evangalium Vitae, Christifideles Laici, etc.)Manner of death: Homicide (ME04-14; AFIP 2909185)
You have argued that this sort of thing is justified as self defense.
My position would not change even if the deceased was a very bad person (the Church says “any stage” and “any condition”). Would your position change if, in hindsight, we realized that the detention itself was a case of mistaken identity?
Or, consider Vern’s statement here:
Is not Vern the same poster who once vehemently insisted that preventive abortions (an abortion before a mother experiences any trauma or detectable health risk) in the case of ectopic pregnancies are “absolutely” just?Remember, Everet Koop, the former Surgeon General, said in his entire medical career, he never encountered a case where an abortion was necessary to save the mother’s life, and didn’t know of any specific cases encountered by any other doctor.
I have tremendous sympathy for mothers in these cases, just as I have for a raped and impregnated 9 year old (the case in Central America comes to mind). But, if we truly accept the infinite value of life the Church’s position is understandable and consistant. Excommunicating the parents and doctor after the 9 year old’s abortion was in keeping with Church Dogma and Canon Law (the sentence was lifted in response to the pleas of tens of thousands of fellow Catholics), and the Tribunal of the Holy Office was quite clear on the question of removing ectopic fetuses without injury in 1902 (it was deemed not licit).
But, in both cases we have Catholics not only deviating from written Church doctrine, but feeling extremely rightous and justified in doing so. Catholics are supposed to follow the absolute certainty of their conscience (see the Catachism), but we are also supposed to acknowledge that even our absolute conscience can be in error.