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onetimeposter
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Actually there seemed to be more emphasis on Jesus at the protestant service.
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jmcrae
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How so? The Mass is all about Jesus, from start to finish. You know that “sign of the Cross” thingy that we do at the beginning and end of every Mass? That’s Jesus on the Cross, dying for our sins.
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onetimeposter
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The protestant service seemed more personal to me. Like a group of people getting together to praise God and pray. I thought it was nice.
How so? The Mass is all about Jesus, from start to finish. You know that “sign of the Cross” thingy that we do at the beginning and end of every Mass? That’s Jesus on the Cross, dying for our sins.
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jmcrae
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Have you thought of joining a Catholic prayer group or Bible study group? I think you would enjoy it.
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prodigal-sun
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Yes I attend a prayer group on tuesday nights to praise God & pray. It is very nice, but it is only at Mass that I get to partake of Jesus in the Eucharist. If you are trying to tell me that what you like in a protestant service is on par with the Eucharist I have to ask if you understand what the Mass is all about.
Do you believe in the Real Presence in the Eucharist?
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onetimeposter
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I don’t think I do…I’m struggling with the idea.
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prodigal-sun
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Have you ever tried adoration, it is a perfect place to sit and pray. I will pray for your conversion!
Peace!
Peace!
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Peter_J
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No, I don’t.
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Peter_J
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One of the things that bothers me about this thread is the way non-Catholic Christians churches/services are all being lumped together.
For example, liturgical Christians, such as Orthodox, Anglicans, and Lutherans, are quite different than Evangelicals.
I think this simple analogy is quite illustrative: imagine if a Catholic told you he was planning to go to a non-Catholic religious service, and wanted to know your opinion, but without telling you whether it was a Christian service.
For example, liturgical Christians, such as Orthodox, Anglicans, and Lutherans, are quite different than Evangelicals.
I think this simple analogy is quite illustrative: imagine if a Catholic told you he was planning to go to a non-Catholic religious service, and wanted to know your opinion, but without telling you whether it was a Christian service.
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chaz0426
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I’m doing it as a social event since a lot of my friends are involved. It actually is a lot of fun. The people are very nice, down to earth and welcoming. We have cook outs and such it’s fun. It’s non-denominational so there are some protestant views from all over. Catholics are very welcome to join and I haven’t met any hostility. If I ever do then of course I leave for good.
But I have no reason not to go. I don’t have a lot of time to “study on my own” since my own time goes towards my engineering studies. I am involved in the catholic group at my university but it is much much smaller and when a bible study goes on in that group I do join but it isn’t a constant bible session and only goes on for a few weeks or so then stops. I just tend to have more friends in the non-denominational groups since it is much larger than the 20 or so size catholic group. Hopefully the catholic group will get bigger.
Remember I still go to mass and am involved in my faith, it’s not like I’m looking to go somewhere else. I see no reason how it is bad unless I wasn’t that grounded in my catholic faith which I am.
Also as a side note and out of curiosity, how does the church no for sure that mary didn’t have other children? Is it assumed and through faith in the scripture or is it proven somewhere?
I believe what the church believes but I’m just curious and open to possibilities that she “could have” had other children. If she did it wouldn’t change jesus’s divinity would it?
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chaz0426
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Yea but I’ve been confirmed for like 4 years now, I’m pretty grounded in my faith and don’t plan on leaving. I spent years studying the protestant belief and concluded that the catholic church is more compatible with my personal morals and beliefs not that I should choose what I believe and not at my convenience but it works out that way which is good. I still question things in the church like how some sins can be on the same level as murder (such as some sexual sins not as serious as fornication like lust or passionate kissing = mortal sin) but I accept it.
However I also am very open minded and have friends of many different faiths which is why I have no problem going to non-denominational events, (most of it is social anyway).
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Peter_J
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My understanding is that Mary’s perpetual virginity isn’t a dogma but it is a very firmly established and agreed-upon teaching. (Not that that answers your question.
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bartimaeus
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Thank You for your post.
Yes, Logic has everything to explain this because logic is a function of reality and reality is a function of truth. What I am understanding, in the RCC gospel, is that a man is trying to lead many away from the truth as stated in the gospel of Jesus Christ. We have been duly warned, and repetitively.
The Catholic Catechism, paragraph 1030, says that purgatory is for “All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation, but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.”
This is in contrast to the OT Here,
“Come now, and let us reason together,”
Says the Lord,
"Though your sins are like scarlet,
They shall be as white as snow;
Though they are red like crimson,
They shall be as wool.
Among the many doctrines that Catholicism claims to be derived through Sacred Tradition, purgatory is one of the most interesting and puzzling, -particularly to a Protestant.
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In light of the Pauline doctrine of justification by grace through faith, how is it possible that an afterlife cleansing through punishment is necessary for a Christian who has trusted in Jesus to cleanse him from all His sins?
Wasn't Jesus' punishment for our transgressions sufficient? Didn't He redeem us in that He suffered our death?In light of the doctrine of justification by faith (Rom. 5:1; Rom. 4:5; Rom. 9:30; Acts 13:39; Gal. 2:16), as well as elsewhere, where Jesus bore** all** of our sins, purgatory would seem to have no theologically justifiable right to exist.
But the Bible alone is not appealed to by Catholic theologians in support of Purgatory. By far, the main support for Purgatory is found in the Catholic doctrine of Sacred Tradition.
Nevertheless, what does the Bible say about justification, punishment, and our sins?
To justify means acquit, declare righteous, the opposite of condemn.
God created all, including the Law, i.e, the 10 commandments. Since He made them and is infallible, He keeps the law flawlessly. The Law is a reflection of Gods character and it is a perfect standard of righteousness which not one of us can keep. Since no one is ever able to keep Gods Law, no one can ever be saved by works, unless they are able to keep the law as perfect as God keeps it. (not!)
All those of us that had been Jews as well as all those that had been Gentiles were all alike corrupted are unable to be justified by the Law (Rom. 3:20). There is, therefore, none righteous (Rom. 3:10-12).
Jesus is the one who took our place on the cross (1 Pet. 2:24),
Jesus became sin on our behalf (2 Cor. 5:21),
and it was Jesus who turned away the wrath of God from us (Rom. 5:9) by being a propitiation (1 John 2:2)
It was Jesus that turned away the wrath of God.
He was punished in our place.
Therefore, Jesus was our substitution.
The righteous work of Christ is imputed to the believer by grace (Titus 3:7) and through faith (Rom. 5:1).
This justification is a legal action on the part of God reckoning the believer as having satisfied the Law -all of the Law.
It necessarily follows that to be justified in Gods eyes, is to be fully justified.
It is not part of the Law that must be satisfied, but all of it.
Perfection is the standard.
Likewise, it is not part of our sins that were born by Christ, but all of them.
This justification includes all of the sins of the believer (past, present, and future) or else we could not be justified.
In the grip of His grace,
Tim
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wisdomseeker
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Somehow i think some catholics got this so call ecumenism backword.\
i thought that the ecumenism was for catholics to go into the world to evangelize their faith and bring others into the Church.
somehow i see many catholics being swept into other faiths. as if we are all the same with no distinction.
the CC is not going to tell us not to go to other churches. that is up to us to discern. we know what they teach, if they believe what we believe then they would be catholics.
so why we as catholics who know that our Church teaches the Truth which every man should learn go and learn from the unlearned?
unequal yoke.
Just a thought.
i thought that the ecumenism was for catholics to go into the world to evangelize their faith and bring others into the Church.
somehow i see many catholics being swept into other faiths. as if we are all the same with no distinction.
the CC is not going to tell us not to go to other churches. that is up to us to discern. we know what they teach, if they believe what we believe then they would be catholics.
so why we as catholics who know that our Church teaches the Truth which every man should learn go and learn from the unlearned?
unequal yoke.
Just a thought.
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onetimeposter
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Maybe our Church does not have all the answers we are looking for?
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Just_Lurking
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This is the so-called “ecumenism of the return”. It is no longer in vogue among those at the top of the Church hierarchy (see here):
Cardinal Walter Kasper, Prefect of Vatican Council for Promoting Christian Unity: “… today we no longer understand ecumenism in the sense of a return, by which the others would ‘be converted’ and return to being Catholics. This was expressly abandoned by Vatican II.” (Adista, Feb. 26, 2001)
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Brian_T
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Why would god put protestants on the earth if god had intended catholics and all christians to help one another is it not right to see what and how another local church does things.
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onetimeposter
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God didn’t put protestants on earth…God put people on earth who chose to split away from the Roman Catholic Church.
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Brian_T
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First, God did’nt put ptotestants on the earth. They were’nt even around until 500 years ago. I also think you missunderstude the question. Why should a good practiceing catholic go to a protestant servace that will contradict what that catholic believes?
It is a good thing to learn about other faiths however because it can further help you understand your own.
First, God did’nt put ptotestants on the earth. They were’nt even around until 500 years ago. I also think you missunderstude the question. Why should a good practiceing catholic go to a protestant servace that will contradict what that catholic believes?
It is a good thing to learn about other faiths however because it can further help you understand your own.
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onetimeposter
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