And many on both sides did perish. but jesus never said that it was wrong to live and die by the sword. He only stated the well known fact that those who take up a sword risk death.
Furthermore, Christians don’t really “*live * by the sword” anyways. We have, however, taken up the sword when necessary.
You are right. Using an ounce of simple apprehension, one would note that not everyone who has lived by the sword has died by it. If so, then who are all those guys at the local VFW?
The point is that the sack of Constantinople in the fourth Crusade was not justified, and I don;t see the justification for keeping this loot in Catholic Churches?
Perhaps it can be justified this way.
This is all very true. When will the Jews return the land to the Church that the Franciscans have been sittin’ on for the past 1000 years? It is rightly ours.
I’m not sure I see your point? Is it that: Anglcans and Moslems have taken Churches, so that means it is OK for Roman Catholics to loot and destroy Eastern Orthodox Churches and to keep these priceless treasures for centuries in Roman Catholic Churches?
There is war and then there is war. Mankind has the right to restrain evil. Would God rather have us be slaughtered than resist an evil power?
As was probably mentioned several times in this thread, few Catholics say that everything that happened during the crusades was good, some of it was downright evil, but that alone does not render the crusades unjust anymore than the immoral bombing of Dresden by the Allies makes their involvement in WW2 unjust.
No one says it was
wow, we post the same argument citing the same bombing raid at the same time…mere coincidence. I think not!
Hey. Great minds think alike.
I also don’t see where the Roman Catholic Church authorized or sanctioned such persecution.
That’s the bad thing about the deletion, we went over and over (and I think sucessfully debunked some of the nuttiness) practically every point that people are trying to make since this thread was “rediscovered.” I for one am willing to let someone else take a turn.
By that logic, you should be thanking the Jews. If we hadn’t rejected Jesus outright, Paul would not have been able to convince his followers to recruit from the Gentiles. Instead they would have followed James who advocated recruiting from within judaism only and Christainity would only be another sect of Judaism, instead of it’s own religion.
Ok. Thanks!By that logic, you should be thanking the Jews. If we hadn’t rejected Jesus outright, Paul would not have been able to convince his followers to recruit from the Gentiles. Instead they would have followed James who advocated recruiting from within judaism only and Christainity would only be another sect of Judaism, instead of it’s own religion.