Catholics/Christains are so prjudice

[Loginus]

I’m sorry you feel that way, Loginus. I may be an atheist but I’m a patriot American. And therefore not a lefty-wishy-washy American. You don’t tell a Yank his country sucks. Dems fightin’ words, if you know what I mean.

Chau,
Rodrigo

Aye, guess i am a bit brash. I still hold my view that America is evil (gov’t anyway) and may be a bitter after having exp. the reprecussions first-hand, but it isnt really their fault.

Its seems human tendancy that all that rises must corrupt. Wheather itd be a religion or a state. Kinda depressing actually :S

 

[BryPGuy89]

What were you saying about the World Wars? Didn’t the USA, being the foul and atrocious and immoral country that it is, enter and defeat the forces of evil twice, thus saving the world from fascism and totalitarianism?

How soon we forget.

I don’t think you know what you’re talking about.

That’s your opinion. Note that we did not send our troops to Iraq until after 9/11.

The oil is a red herring, bud. Because we pay for the oil no matter who’s in control of Iraq. You and other anti-Americans think we invaded Iraq for the oil - I got news for you, bud. We didn’t.

The fact is that Saddam miscalculated - he thought he could stare down the world wrt the weapons inspectors. The only way we could be sure he did or did not have WMDs was to invade and thus we did. It turned out he didn’t but he shouldn’t have tried to stare us down.

Says whom? You got a rule book we don’t know about?

World wars have you been rading my other quotes or not you shouldn’t be lost hat easily…

China did come out and say that bcause of the recent “nuke” test that it would not oppose us if we were to react by military force.

I never did link Iraq and 9/11 what ever happen to Afghanistan and why don’t we have as strong a military presence there were it was supposed to have started? The taliban is back and running things in a large portion of Afghanistan, last I heard an etimated 40% or so. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 at least anymore than Saudi arabia or Iran. So I don’t think it is my opinion, it really is something that has no legitimate reason.

So not for oil then what, not weapons on mass destruction or human rights. There are countries out there with the exact same problems, but what made Iraq special, nothing but oil fields, at least from what i can see.

What is with man and pride, one of the deadly sins I might add, so what if some insignificant nation said no to the bid and bad USA, we didn’t have to go and kick down their doors, which made it more pointless when we found out that he was bluffing any way.

That is how it basically is, Christ the big man is a role model to the rest, big brother to the siblings, parent to kids, leadrs to community, so why not big nation to little ones since they llok up to us and want to be us in some way or another, should the basic rule of being bigger change when we get to the level of countries. They may not always be good role models, but they should try.

 

[Rodrigo_Bivar]

BryPGuy89:

World wars have you been rading my other quotes or not you shouldn’t be lost hat easily…

I still don’t get your point about the world wars.

BryPGuy89:

China did come out and say that bcause of the recent “nuke” test that it would not oppose us if we were to react by military force.

You mean the Chinese have given us the go ahead and invade Nth Korea? I don’t think so.

BryPGuy89:

I never did link Iraq and 9/11 what ever happen to Afghanistan and why don’t we have as strong a military presence there were it was supposed to have started? The taliban is back and running things in a large portion of Afghanistan, last I heard an etimated 40% or so. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11 at least anymore than Saudi arabia or Iran. So I don’t think it is my opinion, it really is something that has no legitimate reason.

I think the discussion started with what atrocities the USA has supposed to have committed.

Now that the Taliban are back - is that the US’s fault?

Iraq has nothing to do with 9/11 - never did I say it did but it was after 9/11 in the climate where we did not want WMDs to fall into the hands of Islamists. So we asked Saddam and he told us to get lost. Now, what would you do?

BryPGuy89:

So not for oil then what, not weapons on mass destruction or human rights. There are countries out there with the exact same problems, but what made Iraq special, nothing but oil fields, at least from what i can see.

What makes you think the US has to solve every problem in the world or none at all?

BryPGuy89:

What is with man and pride, one of the deadly sins I might add, so what if some insignificant nation said no to the bid and bad USA, we didn’t have to go and kick down their doors, which made it more pointless when we found out that he was bluffing any way.

So if a country defies the UN and kicks out the WMD inspectors - who all told us that there were WMDs in Iraq - we’re just to let it pass?

BryPGuy89:

That is how it basically is, Christ the big man is a role model to the rest, big brother to the siblings, parent to kids, leadrs to community, so why not big nation to little ones since they llok up to us and want to be us in some way or another, should the basic rule of being bigger change when we get to the level of countries. They may not always be good role models, but they should try.

You’re just making a special rule for the US that we never signed up for, bud.

 

[Loginus]

No problems… Interesting song I guess someone needs to die and be crucified for our sins and lies, oh that;s right someone did, Christ, but many seem to forget that or at least what he taught, oh well then to martyrdom I go, full of joy.

(Ok this is my LAST post ><)

Hehe not quite. Song is a Eulogy for a wanna-be martyr. Its for a man that liked to compare himself to Jesus so much so that he he asked to be cruicified. He used his ‘righteousness’ to condemn others for not being as ‘righteous’ and as knowing in Christ as he.

At the last moment, when asked to die for someone else, he chickend out. Making all his promises of love, compassion, understanding a lie.

The song is pretty much making fun of ppl who think they are holier than others (so much so they consider themselves saints) and use this ego to attack and condemn the beliefs and goals of others.

 

[Sheeniac]

So not for oil then what, not weapons on mass destruction or human rights. There are countries out there with the exact same problems, but what made Iraq special, nothing but oil fields, at least from what i can see.

Actually, it’s a lot cheaper for America to buy the oil. If it was for oil, prices would be dirt cheap here.

All of the other stated reasons aside, we were in a cease-fire with Iraq. They were bound to comply with the inspections and UN resolutions. They did not. There were repeated warnings, many opportunities to get things right with the international community. Saddam repeatedly refused to comply with the agreements he signed. Therefore, the cease-fire was no longer valid.

About history books - our own current ones are garbage. So why should a foreign one be any better? They will be written with biases present in the country of origin.

To get back on topic, not all Catholics are biased or prejudiced. In fact, your inaccurate generalization is quite offensive, and you expose your own biases by posting about it.

Finally, would you care to back up your statement about all of the Muslim deaths? I’ll make it simple - you can stick with the US since 9/11/01, since that was a big day to us. And that’s when many Americans got angry. Just the facts please, and do keep in mind that the US is a HUGE nation, so something statistically significant would be appreciated.

 

[Booklover]

Jesus excepted the leper, the tax collector, the sinner in general, and because of that exceptance they flocked to him. I’ve read my Bible and often at mass you hear of exceptance and I for one do do that which is what I have seen to be what Christians are called to do.

But at the same time Jesus did not hesitate to call the Pharisees hypocrites, serpents and brood of vipers!

Jn3 13-16

Since the Passover of the Jews was near, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. He found in the temple area those who sold oxen, sheep, and doves, as well as the money-changers seated. He made a whip out of cords and drove them all out of the temple area, with the sheep and oxen, and spilled the conins of the money-changers and overturned their tables, and to those who sold doves he said, “Take these out here, and stop making my Father’s house a marketplace”.

If you were to see a group of people beating someone, would you just think" I have to be tolerant" and just look the other way?

I’ve quoted this saying from Bishop Sheen before and some people still don’t get what he’s driving at:

Real love involves real hatred: whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples has also lost a living fervent love of Truth.

Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”. it is not a species of sloppy sentiment. Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God, which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.

Vickie

 

[mary_bobo]

You are living in some kind of Utopian Fantasy World - History was - is - and will be in the future - brutal

We have to make allowances for some of our posters youth and inexperience and “idealism”. I predict that as they age and hopefully get more wise, they can be more objective in their thinking.

 

[Chris7]

Why can’t we all just get along? Where’s Mr. Rodgers when you need him? People are people wherever you go and therefore the good and bad elements are always present. We Catholics align ourselves with politicians who embrace the conservative approach of staying the course layed out by our forefathers. We believe that our forefathers made a convenant with God when he formed and created our greta nation. We recognize Democrats as opposing that approach and have chastised the GOP for failing to uphold it; hence the results of the past election. As for Muslims, the repeating theme in their dogma is death to the infidels. It’s a little hard to strike a common ground with someone of that mindset. So why can’t we all just get along? Go ask them.

 

[corvidae]

I do not know the answer to your question.

I would say that some are very prejudice, but many are not. For example, on the Moral Theology you will find very little on condemning homosexuals as such. In fact, almost everyone comes from the position of love the sinner, hate the sin.

As far as the Muslim thing. I think the reason is because many are scared. For example, cestusdei, who I see as one of the major criticizers of muslims was mugged and seems to blame the religion for the violence perpetrated against him. In the same way, many see the religion as the only tie between those who attack the United States, and so blame the religion.

However, you need to be careful, as you are doing the same thing. We need to be very careful when we paint with broad strokes, for we will surely condemn someone who is innocent. You are condemning all of Catholics and Christians of the actions of a few. I would say the vast majority, even on these boards are not prejudice, but rather prefer to just avoid the issues that are brought up. Part of this may be fear, as many people are accused of being “secret” muslims for defending islam. This should not happen, but it does.

Please do not label us all for the actions of a few.

A lone Raven

 

[Sheeniac]

One of the issues is that except for a few nutcases (Westboro Church), you don’t see any non-Muslim religious leaders calling for jihad and violence. Good grief - look at the venom spouted by so many in the UK!

With so many of the armed conflicts around the world, as well as nearly all of the terrorism attacks and homicide bombers being perpetuated by Muslims, what should anyone expect? Of course there is concern.

Add to that the treatment of gays and women, well… the scorecard is not looking good.

I will once again step up to attribute some of the blame to the MSM, since fear sells.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

I wonder why the Admins allow thread like this to survive. This is one of the dumbest threads I’ve read in CA.

CDL

 

[TOP]

I can’t stand intolorate people or the Dutch. jk

 

[GregoryPalamas]

I can’t stand intolorate people or the Dutch. jk

I can’t stand intolerant people either and especially those people from Lichtenstein. I think you and I have just raised the intelligence level of this thread.

CDL

 

[BryPGuy89]

(Ok this is my LAST post ><)

Hehe not quite. Song is a Eulogy for a wanna-be martyr. Its for a man that liked to compare himself to Jesus so much so that he he asked to be cruicified. He used his ‘righteousness’ to condemn others for not being as ‘righteous’ and as knowing in Christ as he.

At the last moment, when asked to die for someone else, he chickend out. Making all his promises of love, compassion, understanding a lie.

The song is pretty much making fun of ppl who think they are holier than others (so much so they consider themselves saints) and use this ego to attack and condemn the beliefs and goals of others.

Thinks for spelling it out for me, but i got the gist of it when I read it. Any one who would compare themselves to God is rediculous. I like how peter was cruficied upside down, just to say that he wasn’t worthy to follow the same death as Jesus.

 

[BryPGuy89]

But at the same time Jesus did not hesitate to call the Pharisees hypocrites, serpents and brood of vipers!

Jn3 13-16

Since the Passover of the Jews was near, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. He found in the temple area those who sold oxen, sheep, and doves, as well as the money-changers seated. He made a whip out of cords and drove them all out of the temple area, with the sheep and oxen, and spilled the conins of the money-changers and overturned their tables, and to those who sold doves he said, “Take these out here, and stop making my Father’s house a marketplace”.

If you were to see a group of people beating someone, would you just think" I have to be tolerant" and just look the other way?

I’ve quoted this saying from Bishop Sheen before and some people still don’t get what he’s driving at:

Real love involves real hatred: whoever has lost the power of moral indignation and the urge to drive the buyers and sellers from the temples has also lost a living fervent love of Truth.

Charity, then, is not a mild philosophy of “live and let live”. it is not a species of sloppy sentiment. Charity is the infusion of the Spirit of God, which makes us love the beautiful and hate the morally ugly.

Vickie

Exactly only when they had infaltrated the temple and directly were in offense of the temple did he resort to such actions, he only used simple dialogue and answers to their questions from apart of that incedent. He tolerated and was restrained at all times until they went too far.

 

[BryPGuy89]

I do not know the answer to your question.

I would say that some are very prejudice, but many are not. For example, on the Moral Theology you will find very little on condemning homosexuals as such. In fact, almost everyone comes from the position of love the sinner, hate the sin.

As far as the Muslim thing. I think the reason is because many are scared. For example, cestusdei, who I see as one of the major criticizers of muslims was mugged and seems to blame the religion for the violence perpetrated against him. In the same way, many see the religion as the only tie between those who attack the United States, and so blame the religion.

However, you need to be careful, as you are doing the same thing. We need to be very careful when we paint with broad strokes, for we will surely condemn someone who is innocent. You are condemning all of Catholics and Christians of the actions of a few. I would say the vast majority, even on these boards are not prejudice, but rather prefer to just avoid the issues that are brought up. Part of this may be fear, as many people are accused of being “secret” muslims for defending islam. This should not happen, but it does.

Please do not label us all for the actions of a few.

A lone Raven

I just think that Christians are supposed to be the ones showinf love and compassion even if it isn’t returned to all and that doesn’t seem to be the practice of about 85% of any Christian I have had contact with in my life. I don’t mean to say all are like that, but of the sample of the Christians that I have ever talked to , majority have been angry, intolerant, and hateful of others. I could have come off the wrong way with my original post and may not have even made my point. I tend to have problems expressing what I mean and my emotions and all that, it drives people I know crazy. I’m not a communicative person. Just for the group that I thought was supposed to be different from the secular world and it’s views, I haven’t seen, heard or anything of a majority of Christians that are not full of malice. That might just be my location, region, or the fault of the media, I don’t know, but posts on this forum drive me crazy sometimes, hate and anger left and right.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Ok, ok. I like the Lichtensteinians. It’s those Moroccons and Luxembourgians who drive me crazy.

CDL

 

[lordgrog]

A lot of people got killed when we invaded Germany and overthrew Hitler. We are so evil to have done that. Those poor folks were just sitting around eating sausage. Open your eyes. Think.

What were you saying about the World Wars? Didn’t the USA, being the foul and atrocious and immoral country that it is, enter and defeat the forces of evil twice, thus saving the world from fascism and totalitarianism?

Come now…

US involvement in WWI was limited and was inconsequential to it’s outcome.

US involvement in WWII was crucial to the defeat of Nazi Germany, but, the Soviets were the ones who did the fighting (and dying) in the European theatre (with material support and intelligence courtesy of the Americans and Brits - disruption of German industry helped too). By the time US ground forces arrived on the scene the war was all but over (which is why it was possible for them to arrive on the scene).

Perhaps you guys’re thinking of the Pacific theatre? The war in the Pacific was almost entirely an American effort - the war in Europe was won by the USSR. Invasion of occupied Europe was partly to save as much of it as possible from being occupied in turn by the Soviet Union.

Peace

 

[Mannyfit75]

I don’t know why Catholics/christians are so prjudice. I’ve been a member of this thread for months and read countless threads, responses take my breath away and my blood boil.Homosexuals tend to be evil in one way or another regardless of individual beleifs and behavior. Muslims are these evil beasts and targets of extreme hate!. One political party or another blah blah. Why can’t we just love and except one another. We don’t have to approve or anything, no changing beliefs or principles. Just except not everyone is of our faith, not all beleive as we do. I hear way too often about Muslims trying to force us to live their way and desire to dominate us. Well when one hears Christians saying how the government isn’t upholding our beleifs above all others and that we should do this and have this and others who are different shouldn’t do blah blah, aren’t we doing just the thing we accuse them of doing. People always talking about Christian beleifes in government and fighting off Muslims and all that, isn’t that just what we hear about Muslims trying to do and complain and whine. Christian gets killed in a Muslim country we all wail in anguish and anger. Muslims are attacked and killed in America and Christian countries as well. Even people who aren’t Muslim but are arabic and wear clothing of something Eastern or something are targets. I trust the Catholic Church completely, but her followers and those who branched off from her seem to be far from trustworthy, just a giant 2 billion army of hypocrits and war mongers. I understand that isn’t true of some, but it does seem to be the majority, it saddens me truly. Where has the love and compassion and understanding that Jesus taught? Why is there so much prjudice and self righteousness in a group who is supposed to be different, supposed to be like Christ?

One must take into account that Catholics and Non-Catholic Christians are human first. As humans, they are sinners. Christianity is full of sinners. Jesus came into the world for sinners. Prejudice is just of our condition. It is not a the issue of religious affliation, but the individual views. His views is base on how he was brought up.

I tend to think Muslims in the extreme scene (those who believe a more extremist views of Islam) are dangerous because they believe that killing innocent people is justified because they believe they will be granted virgins when they die as martyrs. If you play the numbers right, the majority of Muslims are moderate and don’t agree with Osama Bin Ladin.

Homosexuality or homosexual acts are a grave sinful condition. It is no different than having a heterosexual to commit the sin of fornications. Both are frowned upon God. Any sins, whatever it is displeases God.

Homosexual individuals according the the Catholic Church should be treated with respect and should pursue the life of purity which means abstaining from having a homosexual lifestyle. A devote Catholic should conform to the teachings of the Catholic Church, especially when it deals with the issue of morality.

Homosexuals individuals needs prayers to change their ways. However, I like to note that there are Catholics, and Non-Catholic Christians who are extremely prejustice against Muslims and homosexuals. They treat them with no respect, and these pseudo Christians should be reflect on their own life, and act less like a Pharisee.

 

[Loginus]

One must take into account that Catholics and Non-Catholic Christians are human first. As humans, they are sinners. Christianity is full of sinners. Jesus came into the world for sinners. Prejudice is just of our condition. It is not a the issue of religious affliation, but the individual views. His views is base on how he was brought up.

I tend to think Muslims in the extreme scene (those who believe a more extremist views of Islam) are dangerous because they believe that killing innocent people is justified because they believe they will be granted virgins when they die as martyrs. If you play the numbers right, the majority of Muslims are moderate and don’t agree with Osama Bin Ladin.

Homosexuality or homosexual acts are a grave sinful condition. It is no different than having a heterosexual to commit the sin of fornications. Both are frowned upon God. Any sins, whatever it is displeases God.

Homosexual individuals according the the Catholic Church should be treated with respect and should pursue the life of purity which means abstaining from having a homosexual lifestyle. A devote Catholic should conform to the teachings of the Catholic Church, especially when it deals with the issue of morality.

Homosexuals individuals needs prayers to change their ways. However, I like to note that there are Catholics, and Non-Catholic Christians who are extremely prejustice against Muslims and homosexuals. They treat them with no respect, and these pseudo Christians should be reflect on their own life, and act less like a Pharisee.

If only christians as a whole were like you I may’ve stuck to catholoscism
(Thou i disagree with its stance of gays )