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I was wondering the Catholic take on Buddhism. What do you guys think of it?

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I was wondering the Catholic take on Buddhism. What do you guys think of it?
I suggest that you start with Nostra Aetate:Buddhism, in its various forms, realizes the radical insufficiency of this changeable world; it teaches a way by which men, in a devout and confident spirit, may be able either to acquire the state of perfect liberation, or attain, by their own efforts or through higher help, supreme illumination.

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I was wondering the Catholic take on Buddhism. What do you guys think of it?

Edit: Yay! 100 posts! I honestly didn’t think I’d last long here. You guys have been very hospitable. Thanks for it. :egyptian:
Living in Japan, I am in daily contact with friends and acquaintances who might describe themselves as Buddhist, but are ignorant of or unconcerned with the theological underpinnings of the faith. Like many people of other faiths, including Christianity, they tend to focus on the culture of the faith, the yearly rhythm of feasts and prayers and periods of sorrow when faith serves to support us as we continue our daily life, without delving too deeply into theology or philosophy. Buddhism offers a wonderful support for the average person in Japan, especially in the face of death, who longs to feel a connection with family members who have died and hopes to find meaning in life, again, not because the average person understands the theology of Buddhism, but because participating in the culture of the faith gives him solace. Japanese who may know nothing of philosophical Buddhism, still give alms to the local temple and invite the head of the temple to offer prayers at their home altar during the Obon season when deceased loved ones are remembered.
Christianity offers a strong challenge to Buddhism on a theological and philosophical level in Japan, and has influenced Buddhism to focus more attention in areas of social welfare, education and justice, areas where Buddhism has traditionally been weak in its influence, but Christianity still has far to go before it can match the historical Buddhist imprint on Japanese culture and imagination. This is not to say that Christianity has not made inroads or has not influenced Japanese culture. It most definitely has, and its influence is increasing, but most Japanese still call themselves Buddhist even though they know little of what Buddhism actually teaches.
The Church in Japan generally has good relations with Buddhist institutions here, and both religions learn from and cooperate with eachother. This is not always the case with some evangelical Protestant organizations who make it a point to preach with loudspeakers in front of major Buddhist temples on Buddhist feast days, but the Catholic Church has a harmonious and respectful relationship with Buddhism, and this earns it a great deal of respect from most Japanese who value such harmony.
 
I watched the Journey Home Program of Marcus Grodi (EWTN) who had a guest who was a convert from Buddhism to Catholicism. I forgot his name but is a professor in one of the big university in England. He continues to teach Eastern Philosophy since he has a PhD.
He claims that Buddhism is not a religion since they have no God. Check it out if you want to know more.
 
Living in Japan, I am in daily contact with friends and acquaintances who might describe themselves as Buddhist, but are ignorant of or unconcerned with the theological underpinnings of the faith. Like many people of other faiths, including Christianity, they tend to focus on the culture of the faith, the yearly rhythm of feasts and prayers and periods of sorrow when faith serves to support us as we continue our daily life, without delving too deeply into theology or philosophy.
I’ve witnessed a similar occurence. I lived in a small town in the northwest where there were an awful lot of what I called “wannabe buddhists.” True Buddhism, as the monks and truly devout followers live it, is a lot more intense and disciplined then many people think. But the great thing about Buddhism, in my humble opinion, is that it is considered completely acceptable to not to live by anything and everything it teachs. That’s probably why you never hear about any “Buddhist Extremists.” Or rather the closest thing you find to one is someone like the monk who lit himself on fire and sat completely still in a chair while he burned to death in protest of the treatment of his fellow Buddhists in Vietnam at the time.
 
I watched the Journey Home Program of Marcus Grodi (EWTN) who had a guest who was a convert from Buddhism to Catholicism. I forgot his name but is a professor in one of the big university in England. He continues to teach Eastern Philosophy since he has a PhD.
He claims that Buddhism is not a religion since they have no God. Check it out if you want to know more.
Philosophical Buddhism may not admit to a deity, at least on an imaginative level, but practical Buddhism, or the Buddhism as lived by most folks in Japan at least, does indeed incorporate the concept of a higher power or powers in its appeal to the average believer. Buddhism doesn’t describe this God, but in the imagination of the average believer there is the presence of the concept. This is one of the contradictions of Buddhism. There is no God, as such, but the average Japanese believer does have an image of God, or more accurately, of Gods.
 
I was wondering the Catholic take on Buddhism. What do you guys think of it?

Edit: Yay! 100 posts! I honestly didn’t think I’d last long here. You guys have been very hospitable. Thanks for it. :egyptian:

Good for you 🙂 I wish there were more Buddhism - it’s an attractive change from the aggression and violence of the three monotheistic religions.​

 
I’ve witnessed a similar occurence. I lived in a small town in the northwest where there were an awful lot of what I called “wannabe buddhists.” True Buddhism, as the monks and truly devout followers live it, is a lot more intense and disciplined then many people think. But the great thing about Buddhism, in my humble opinion, is that it is considered completely acceptable to not to live by anything and everything it teachs. That’s probably why you never hear about any “Buddhist Extremists.” Or rather the closest thing you find to one is someone like the monk who lit himself on fire and sat completely still in a chair while he burned to death in protest of the treatment of his fellow Buddhists in Vietnam at the time.
On the philosophical level I think Buddhism is a very private religion, which is one reason many Buddhists are unconcerned with how another Buddhist may live his faith. I’m not sure that I would say most Buddhists consider it “completely acceptable to not live by anything and everything Buddhism teachers” but rather they are unconcerned whether you do or not. Your failure to live up to the teachings of Buddhism is your fate and there is no need for other Buddhists to be concerned about it. Coming from a faith which has a much stronger communal aspect to it, I find this to be a negative point about Buddhism. Indeed, many Buddhists find this a negative point as well and over the centuries there have been attempts to instill a communal aspect to Buddhism, a sense that there is a community of believers that all Buddhists should be concerned about. I would also note that there have indeed been “Buddhist extremists,” though it would be difficult to determine if they were in fact extremists because of their faith or extremists because centers of power, as manifested in Buddhist institutions, were under threat. I’m refering to the persecutions of Christians here in Japan, which were often supported and aided by Buddhist leaders and institutions. Of course, here in Japan it is very difficult to separate Buddhism from the traditional Shinto faith of Japan, which has also influenced right wing Japanese nationalism. This form of Japanese nationalism tends to view Christianity as a negative influence because it is a foreign faith and introduces elements of belief which are alien to the Japanese character. To be fair, this form of Japanese nationalism also views Buddhism with a similar suspicion for the same reasons, but more readily accepts Buddhism, or coops Buddhism, because it is now impossible to exterminate it from the Japanese religious imagination.
 

Good for you 🙂 I wish there were more Buddhism - it’s an attractive change from the aggression and violence of the three monotheistic religions.​

Actually, a study of the history of Buddhism in Japan would reveal that it is, unfortunately, not immune from the aggression and violence that has often plagued the three monotheistic religions more prevalent in the West.
 
In my experiences, the Buddhists Temples in my city are Asian dominated. When a friend of mine (and his partner) that were interested visited, they found the entire…service…I don’t know if it was a service or what exactly was conducted in another language. As I recall, they tried another one and found the exact same thing.
So they started attending a Buddhist meditation group at the Unitarian Universalist church. Well, around that time there was the ongoing stink in UUA circles about cultural misappropriation (stealing religious traditions and practices at its worst and syncretism at its best). As far as I know he stills attends despite his misgivings in the past.
From a purely reading and studying viewpoint, I never got that much into it but it looks like many on this thread can help you out.
 
In my experiences, the Buddhists Temples in my city are Asian dominated. When a friend of mine (and his partner) that were interested visited, they found the entire…service…I don’t know if it was a service or what exactly was conducted in another language. As I recall, they tried another one and found the exact same thing.
So they started attending a Buddhist meditation group at the Unitarian Universalist church. Well, around that time there was the ongoing stink in UUA circles about cultural misappropriation (stealing religious traditions and practices at its worst and syncretism at its best). As far as I know he stills attends despite his misgivings in the past.
From a purely reading and studying viewpoint, I never got that much into it but it looks like many on this thread can help you out.
That sounds about right. Buddhism in the West is split between the immigrant communities from Buddhist countries who import their own home version and western Buddhists who are in the process of developing a Western Buddhism. The process probably has a couple of hundred years to go before things settle down.

rossum
 
I used to be a Jodo Shinshu Buddhist. It’s a sect of Mahayana Buddhism. They believe that in the 13th century, a Japanese monk named Shinran discovered that all you have to do is repeat the name of Amida Buddha,* a god-like Buddha, * (Namu Amida Butsu) with genuine faith, which will enable you to go to the Pure Land after you die, with no more reincarnations. In the United States, there is an organization of Jodo Shinshu congregations called Buddhist Churches of America. They have Sunday service (you could even call it a liturgy) and they call themselves churches to better harmonize with American culture. Even though I was a “card-carrying” member of this organization, I could go to different Buddhist services and be accepted because everyone believes that there are many different roads that all end up in Tokyo (as the saying goes). We’d try out different styles of worship, meditation, etc. with no one being sanctimonious or disdainful or what-not.

Even while I was believing all this, I still sent my children to CCD to be baptized and confirmed in the Catholic Church. This to allay the fears of my Lutheran father who was requesting the kids to be baptized. He didn’t like the Catholic part so much. But I did. I eventually gave up Buddhism and returned to Christianity (still working on the Catholic part 👍)

Still, it was a very interesting “religion” (they constantly insist that it is a religion and not simply a philosophy) with lots of mystical stuff and beautiful art.
 
Many of the posts here are helpful.

I have studied Buddhism over the years off and on. The lack of devotion to a personal God was disturbing to me. However, I think there is one or more sects of Buddhism where they chant the name of, I think, Amida Buddha in a devotional way and believe that will insure the devotee’s salvation.

On a practical level, the Buddhists in Japan do not condemn the rampant abortion over there. Yet, I thought Buddhism taught reverence for all life. The Buddhist organizations do make a steady income from performing various rites for post abortive women who suffer regret over their past abortions.
 
Many of the posts here are helpful.

I have studied Buddhism over the years off and on. The lack of devotion to a personal God was disturbing to me. However, I think there is one or more sects of Buddhism where they chant the name of, I think, Amida Buddha in a devotional way and believe that will insure the devotee’s salvation.

On a practical level, the Buddhists in Japan do not condemn the rampant abortion over there. Yet, I thought Buddhism taught reverence for all life. The Buddhist organizations do make a steady income from performing various rites for post abortive women who suffer regret over their past abortions.
One reason that Buddhists in Japan do not condemn abortion is because they do not recognize the act as a taking of a life, but rather the prevention of a birth, or rebirth as the Buddhists would have it. The soul of that fetus will be born in time, but if it is inconvenient for a parent to have that soul born at this time, then abortion becomes a favor for the soul in that it allows the soul to enter life under more favorable circumstances, thus allowing it greater opportunity to attain enlightenment in the life it is born into. Viewing abortion in this way, though it may offer some comfort on a rational level, does little to comfort the would be parent of that soul on an emotional level and there is a great deal of pain and depression that goes unattended in Japan. In almost every Buddhist temple I’ve visited there is always a small area where small jizo statues are placed. These are small, baby sized statues of the Buddha where parents of aborted children have placed toys, candy and cookies, fruit juice, baby clothes, and other items associated with babies, in the hope of explaining to the soul that it is loved and the Buddha will watch over it until it is a better time for it to be reborn. It is also a means by which the parent is able to exorcise his or her sorrow for the abortion. Quite frankly, I find these areas heartbreaking and have never failed to tear up when I think of the deep, abiding sorrow that goes uncomforted. For many parents who choose abortion in Japan, there is a constant attempt to assuage the guilt of the act, not necessarily for oneself, though that is part of it, but for the soul who was not born at that time. Abortion is legal in Japan, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t stigmatize or damage the person who procurs one. Not only is the damage very real, it is often hidden and never relieved.
 
Thank you Tsuwano for your informative post above.

I had heard that 30 percent or more of the post abortive women in Japan suffer some form of remorse for their abortions. Japan is not a Christian country. This seems to suggest that people recognize that abortion is wrong (even if they do not necessarily have knowledge of the moral law, God’s law) because abortion is against the natural law.

John Stuart Mill, a 19th century British philospher, observed that once some practice, or activity, becomes widely accepted in society it is very difficult to turn the tide and lessen the acceptance of the practice. This is true even when the custom or practice is harmful or nonsensical. People fail to question why they accept such practices and just continue on with them. (For example, in the US, we routinely circumcise our male infants, and continue to do so even though there is no medical benefit to doing so and this practice adversely impacts marriages. but, people do not question it.) In Japan, and now in the US, abortion has been accepted for too long and it is going to be very difficult to change people’s minds and hearts about its acceptance.
 
Japan is not a Christian country. This seems to suggest that people recognize that abortion is wrong (even if they do not necessarily have knowledge of the moral law, God’s law) because abortion is against the natural law.
Many Japanese have an excellent understanding of moral law. Can you tell us what the Five Rules of Morality (pancha sila) are in Buddhism? Your ignorance of Buddhist moral law does not make you an immoral person, any more than a Buddhist’s ignorance of Christian moral law makes them immoral. Abortion is indeed wrong in Buddhism, which is why it causes distress. It is one of the basics of Buddhism that immoral actions bring sorrow in their wake:Mind precedes all conditions,
mind is their chief, they are mind-made.
If you speak or act with an evil mind then suffering will follow you,
as the wheel follows the draught ox.

Dhammapada 1:1

The Five Rules are:* to avoid injury to living things.
  • to avoid taking what is not given.
  • to avoid sensual misconduct.
  • to avoid false and malicious speech.
  • to avoid intoxicants.
Abortion is counter to the first one.

rossum
 
Many Japanese have an excellent understanding of moral law. Can you tell us what the Five Rules of Morality (pancha sila) are in Buddhism? Your ignorance of Buddhist moral law does not make you an immoral person, any more than a Buddhist’s ignorance of Christian moral law makes them immoral. Abortion is indeed wrong in Buddhism, which is why it causes distress. It is one of the basics of Buddhism that immoral actions bring sorrow in their wake:Mind precedes all conditions,
mind is their chief, they are mind-made.
If you speak or act with an evil mind then suffering will follow you,
as the wheel follows the draught ox.

Dhammapada 1:1

The Five Rules are:* to avoid injury to living things.
  • to avoid taking what is not given.
  • to avoid sensual misconduct.
  • to avoid false and malicious speech.
  • to avoid intoxicants.
Abortion is counter to the first one.

rossum
I believe you are correct when you say many Japanese have an excellent understanding of moral law, though, like people of other faiths, not all do. I would also point out that the average Buddhist believer in Japan probably could not tell you what the five Buddhist rules of morality are, though, as you point out, this does not necessarily make anyone an immoral person. In addition, again as you point out, Buddhism on a philosophical level does indeed condemn the killing of living things and so abortion does go against Buddhist teaching in this area. Still, on the level of practice, Japanese Buddhism does not condemn abortion (at least not very loudly) and there is an evident contradiction between Buddhist belief and practice which makes many think that Buddhist institutions, through their silence, are complicit in insuring that abortion remains the number one form of birth control in Japan.
One other aspect of Japanese Buddhism which seems to go against general Buddhist belief, and which has been criticized by some Buddhist leaders in Japan, is the practice in some temples of offering prayers and ceremonies for the purpose of assuaging the vengeful anger of souls that have suffered the pain and suffering of abortion. There is a common belief in Japan, perhaps finding its source in Japanese folk religion, that souls which have suffered greatly may hold living parties responsible for the suffering and can take vengence by causing misfortune to befall the living. Many parents who have procured abortions fear the vengence of an aborted fetus and often seek such prayers in their local temple. Many temples offer these ceremonies for a fee. As I’ve said, this is criticized by some Buddhist temples and leaders and does seem to go against Buddhist theology, but it is a part of lived Buddhism in Japan.
I would like to make it clear that I have a great deal of respect for Buddhism and I believe Buddhism has changed many lives for the better, but there is often a disconnect between Buddhism as a faith and Buddhism as it is practiced. This is true in other religions as well, but I find that Buddhism, at least in Japan, is often silent in addressing this disconnect and I am confused why this is so. Abortion is only one area where Buddhist faith and the practice of Buddhists is contradictory. This is also one area where I think the Christian churches in Japan have something valuable to offer the Buddhists and there is room for dialog. I also believe Buddhist temples could offer greater service in helping parents of aborted children come to terms with their grief and perhaps informing these individuals more clearly what Buddhism actually teaches concerning abortion.
 
He claims that Buddhism is not a religion since they have no God. Check it out if you want to know more.
Buddhism isnt a religion. Gautam Buddha was a prince who lived in India around 400 BC. On fine day he set out to find out about god, the reason for people suffering, reason for death etc. It is said that he attained Nirvana under a fig tree and thats when he realised that there is no god.He was said to be what scientists would today claim: A rational man.

Buddhism spread quite rapidly in India and south asia after his death.The major religion those days in south asia was hindusim.It is quite impossible to really find out the original buddhism that gautam buddha preached because over the course of the next few centuries
a lot of elements of hinduism got added to buddhism and thats why today you have buddhism in in present avataar which is quite similar to hinduism in many way, worshipping idols being one of them.

Btw, hindus see buddha as a reincarnation of krishna(a lot of hindus see christ as a reincarnation of krishna)

Hope this answers some of your questions.
 
Buddhism isnt a religion. Gautam Buddha was a prince who lived in India around 400 BC. On fine day he set out to find out about god, the reason for people suffering, reason for death etc. It is said that he attained Nirvana under a fig tree and thats when he realised that there is no god.He was said to be what scientists would today claim: A rational man.

Buddhism spread quite rapidly in India and south asia after his death.The major religion those days in south asia was hindusim.It is quite impossible to really find out the original buddhism that gautam buddha preached because over the course of the next few centuries
a lot of elements of hinduism got added to buddhism and thats why today you have buddhism in in present avataar which is quite similar to hinduism in many way, worshipping idols being one of them.

Btw, hindus see buddha as a reincarnation of krishna(a lot of hindus see christ as a reincarnation of krishna)

Hope this answers some of your questions.
Whether or not Buddhism is a religion depends on how you define the word religion. There are numerous sites on the internet that discuss this very question, but it’s worth noting that many Buddhists, including the Dali lama, think that Buddhism is a religion. It is a non theistic religion, though Buddhism certainly does not deny the existence of God. As I’ve mentioned in a previous post, most practitioners of Buddhism, at least in Japan, do suppose a God as an object of their prayer and ceremony. This may be in opposition to Buddhist practitioners in the West who seem to be more attracted to the philosophical elements of Buddhism and the novelty of meditation practices present in Buddhist monasticism, but even here I think you would find the concept of God has its place.
One other point about your explanation of the origins of Buddhism which I think may be mistaken is that Prince Siddhartha Gautama, who became the Buddha, did not set out seeking to find out about God. He set forth in the hope of discovering why humans suffer and reached the conclusion that humans suffer due to desire. His thoughts do not necessarily include God, but neither do they banish the concept of God from its philosophy.
 
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