Catholics Converting to Non Denominational

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In what way does the Rosary involve prayer to Mary?
Hail, holy Queen, Mother of mercy, hail, our life, our sweetness and our hope. To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve: to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears. Turn then, most gracious Advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus, O merciful, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary! Amen.
 
I’m surprised and shocked you have come across any priests still saying ‘for all’, as those words were changed several years ago.
I thought that Catholic teaching could never change. Now you say that the teaching on this has changed?
 
When you say, “ELCA,” are you talking about the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America?

You do realize that they are not pro-life, and could be called “pro-abortion.” Here is a link to a piece written by Catholics analyzing the ELCA stand on abortion:The ELCA and Abortion - Catholic Stand

As a church organist and someone who is active in musical events and organizations in my community, I know and have worked with many ELCA members and pastors. I can’t see how any Catholic could attend ELCA churches.

One of the churches in our city has two services–the “traditional” and the “contemporary,” and the contemporary service includes praying to deities other than the Christian God.

The ELCA is open to alternative sexualities. The church that I mentioned above welcomes a growing population of LBGTQ people and encourages them in their sexuality.

In their favor–the ELCA is very “artsy,” and many good music concerts of all styles, mainly classical, are held in their churches. One of the churches in our city is the home of an amazing music education center that attracts professional musicians and children/teens from all over our state and other states.

Many of their churches have beautiful pipe organs. They also have a style of building that makes classical concerts with large choirs feasible, while many of the Evangelical Protestant churches have very plain church buildings with a “stage” that is best-suited for Praise and Worship bands rather than orchestras. Also, many of the ELCA churches have beautiful aesthetics–stained glass, paintings and murals, statuary, woodwork (especially the German-built church buildings), steeples, carillons that still work, etc.

Also in their favor, many of the ELCA churches are located in urban areas, and are very active in working with the homeless, the poor, the prostitutes, the children who are at risk, with street gangs, alcoholics, drug addicts, etc. Several ELCA churches in our city have hired a staff of experts who work full-time with the “marginalized” people and families. I admire this greatly, and find that when “suburb” churches in the “good neighborhoods” try to do this kind of good works, it usually flops because they simply don’t have the street smarts because they don’t live in those neighborhoods and don’t understand the people and the issues.

Several of the ELCA churches have very vibrant daycare centers and preschools, which serves a real need in areas where children are at risk for a lack of school readiness.

In our city, ELCA churches are decreasing in membership, and several are down to under a hundred people. I think that their street ministries, arts, and preschools keep the churches’ doors open, as many people in the city, including me, give money to help support their very good works.

I would do some serious research before getting involved with ELCA. I love the good works, but I couldn’t be part of a church with teachings that are opposed to traditional Christian teaching. The ELCA website is very thorough with many articles about their stands on the issues.

Hope this is helpful.
 
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I thought that Catholic teaching could never change. Now you say that the teaching on this has changed?
Dogma doesn’t change. Language changes based on whether the meaning changes with time. Shifting from ‘for all’ to ‘for many’ was just a better translation.
 
Advocate. This calls Our Lady advocate. As a mother I’d certainly advocate for my own children.

ad·vo·cate

noun

/ˈadvəkət/
a person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy. (Google)

We’re asking her to take up our cause with her Son in this prayer. Mary only wants to lead us to her son and that’s also what we’re asking her to do in this prayer “Show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus”
 
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Many years ago, when I was away from the Church, (and our daughter hadn’t been Baptised) our daughter who was in Junior High at the time, visited a First Baptist Church with a couple of friends a few times. They had all kinds of fun activities for kids to do there. My daughter filled out a card, giving them our phone number and address, and one evening she came home, announcing that she “was saved” and that she was going to be Baptised there. Now, she’d only gone there, maybe, 3 times.
Even though I’d been away from Catholicism for a long time, I didn’t want her to be “saved” and Baptised in the Baptist Church unless she really understood what that meant.
Every Tuesday night at, I think 7:00, they’d ring our doorbell to talk to her, actually to push her to join their church.
Then they scheduled her for a Baptism.
Long story short, I refused to allow her to be Baptised there, at that age, not fully understanding anything about this church and that really got them going.
She eventually became Catholic as an adult, went through RCIA, was a Baptised and Confirmed.

Now that I visited this non denom church, I fear they are going to put the pressure on me to join and be Baptised there… I’d filled out a guest card with my name, phone number (which the pastor already had) and my email (which the pastor also already had) and got an email suggesting I join some group they have there and they told me to “plan on joining us again next weekend”. Gosh, I hope this isn’t going to end up like when our daughter checked out the First Baptist Church!
 
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I left Protestantism back in 2014 to enter the Catholic Church. I was raised Baptist, was a Fundamentalist for a time, attended various churches on visits, & lastly was in a couple of Nondenominational churches for many years before entering the Church.

After entering the Church, I still attend my old church with my family since that is where they still attend, & we go as a family. My husband will go to mass with me when he can since business often takes him far from home.

I believe the Church is going through a trial right now. Just gotta hold on tight & trust God will get us through this. It has in fact been around since the get-go. The Nondenominational church we attend as a family just celebrated its 20th anniversary…
 
I believe the Church is going through a trial right now. Just gotta hold on tight & trust God will get us through this.
Are you and other posters certain the Catholic Church is going to survive this latest (and I read that here’s going to be another scandal coming out of somewhere…California maybe?) priest scandal?
 
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Yes, of course. Can you really imagine a plausible scenario in which the church vanishes? It’s the one of the oldest, largest institutions on the planet.
 
Yes, of course. Can you really imagine a plausible scenario in which the church vanishes? It’s the one of the oldest, largest institutions on the planet.
I don’t know. Still I think I read yet another thing that said there will be more scandal reports coming out in the future. Since I’ve decided to remain in the Church I now fear it will eventually close and be ruined by this.
 
That’s a very unnecessary fear, and I suspect it’s a function of your ocd. Not saying that as an insult, to be clear.
 
I’m currently re-reading "Jesus of Nazareth " from Pope Benedict. This time I’m reading it as I would a theology text book. It’s quite revealing.

Some observations WRT your specific question.

Numerous posters have pointed out that the Catholic Church ( not an unspecified collection of random people, not churches, not symbolic, but a real Church) was Specified by our founder, Jesus, as being founded on a flesh and blood leader, Peter, and the gates of Hell (satan and his followers, not an iron gate or a picket fence) will not prevail. AND He, (Christ) will always be be with us. That tells me the Church is not going to fail. Period.

Pope Benedict points out that we are not, repeat, not, guaranteed happiness in this life. This life allows us to participate in Christ’s redemption. Think that’s easy? Think again. But what rewards we get.

Every, every crisis in the Church has caused a reform and renewal of its purpose. That’s one reason why St. Paul noted that when he was weakest, then he was strongest. Thus it will always be.

If we have a deep crisis, and my take is that we surely will, the overall result will be a much more vibrant and energized Church. We need that. Maybe, just maybe He will let me see some of that before I am called.

Maybe some people will make it to heaven without those special Blessings and grace that Catholics get thru the sacraments and guidance by the magisterium. I, myself, welcome any help I can get.

When I get distracted at Mass, or some random “Catholic” acts against Christ’s clear (to me) message and directive through the Church, it saddens me, but simultaneously it makes my resolve to follow Him, through the Church even more.

That’s what I think. You asked.
 
I don’t know. Still I think I read yet another thing that said there will be more scandal reports coming out in the future. Since I’ve decided to remain in the Church I now fear it will eventually close and be ruined by this.
There might be more scandal reports in the future. I’d say it’s quite likely since many victims remain silent for decades. There are always going to be bad apples in a barrel of good ones. Even if more scandals emerge, that doesn’t mean the Church will close its doors. Even if membership dwindles, there will always be a group of those faithful to the Church and the good things it stands for. I feel the Church is undergoing a large change right now. But with all the new Catholics in Africa, etc., the Catholic Church is going to be around longer than you and I probably will be. None of the major denominations have disappeared. None.
 
Another thing about this non denom church is I think it’s Sola Scriptura. I was reading another thread on CAF where they were talking about how praying to Mary isn’t in the Bible but that praying to other Saints isn’t in the Bible, either but that us Catholics don’t rely strictly on the Bible, but Tradition, also.

When I was talking to the non denom pastor on the phone, when I asked him a question once or twice, he said something about seeing what the Bible says. I got the feeling that all the answers to all their questions lie in the Bible.
 
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When I was talking to the non denom pastor on the phone, when I asked him a question once or twice, he said something about seeing what the Bible says. I got the feeling that all the answers to all questions lie in the Bible.
And that makes perfect sense to him, from the way he interprets the Bible. He does the best he can with what he has.

What he forgets to read in the Bible, is that Jesus promised to not leave us orphans; that His Church would last to the end of time; that He made Peter the head of His Church on earth; that we need the Church to interpret scripture (Tradition).

Jesus did not ascend to heaven until He had securely established His Church on earth. In doing that, it’s like He wrapped us up in His arms, keeping us safe from harm.
 
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Could this be of help?

How to Choose a Catholic Study Bible

The first section discusses the various translations, and if you scroll down a bit, you’ll see a section that begins with, “Once you have chosen a preferred translation, it’s time to look at the available study tools.”…this section discusses a few different Catholic study Bibles.

Best wishes in your search! 🌸
 
Could this be of help?

How to Choose a Catholic Study Bible

The first section discusses the various translations, and if you scroll down a bit, you’ll see a section that begins with, “Once you have chosen a preferred translation, it’s time to look at the available study tools.”…this section discusses a few different Catholic study Bibles.

Best wishes in your search! 🌸
I ordered the Didache Study Bible From Amazon. It was kind of pricey, almost $60. I hope I like it and it’s worth the price.

How do you pronounce Didache?
 
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You’re exactly right, at least based on what I’ve learned on CAF. When I was on the phone this non denom pastor he said something about seeing what the Bible says regarding whatever we were talking about, then I assume, he had looked it up.

The Bible ALSO says we should eat Jesus’ flesh and drink His blood but I’d bet my last dollar he wouldn’t take that as truth.

Also when I go to Confession, I need to speak to a priest who acts in place of Jesus.
 
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