Catholics for Choice

[cargau]

Not enough, apparently, to forego placing a comment, eh?

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The fact that I am reluctant to judge others while acknowledging my own shortcomings does not preclude me from offering insights into certain situations. I mentioned in my post that when the opportunity arose, I would edify those who are stubborn, ignorant or misinformed. That, my friend is a spiritual work of mercy.

 

[JimG]

Catholics for Choice is not a group of Catholics that are pro-choice. Catholics for Choice is funded by George Soros and the Ford Foundation in order to weaken the Church in the United States. The end goal is to weaken the Catholic Church’s influenence on politicals issues.

One should never assume that a group is Catholic or even has Catholic members just because it puts the word “Catholic” in its title.

“Catholics for Choice” originally was known as “Catholics for a Free Choice.” It’s purpose was to promote abortion and the removal of any legal restrictions against abortion. It was founded, I believe by Frances Kissling, an active pro-abortion feminist. I don’t even know whether it has any actual members or exists as a paper organization simply for the purpose of obtaining grants and funds.

 

[FidesSpesCarita]

I read a bit of this and the only thing I can say is:

Jesus Christ have mercy on us.

Holy Mary, mother of God, have mercyon us, Sinners, now and at the hour of our death…

This is HORRIBLE!!! How can these people claim Catholicism?

 

[JimG]

Really, don’t be misled.
I could start an organization called “Catholics for Free Condoms,” or “Catholics for Gay Marriage,” or “Catholics for Euthanasia.” Simply naming an organization doesn’t make it Catholic.

 

[rlg94086]

I don’t know anyone associated with this group, but have met my fair share of “pro-choice Catholics”. So many people will say “Well, I’m against abortion except in the case of rape or incest”. To many people, this seems like the most compassionate response. **To them, the life of the child is an abstract, not something to be considered when dealing with something so traumatic. ** Or those that feel that the “quality of life” outweighs the decision to allow that life to continue. They think that it is better for the baby to die in utero, than to be allowed to suffer for any amount of time after birth. I’d bet they’ve never seen what an abortion entails. It is torture, pure and simple.

I was blessed this past couple of weeks to hear both a homily by our PV and a reflection by our seminarian dealing with abortion, pointing out from the moment of conception–there is a human life at stake…one that needs to be protected…and that we ALL have a duty to stand up for life.

This is the crux of the matter! Every “personally pro-life, politically pro-choice” person I’ve spoken to fits this description - “to them, the life of the child is an abstract.”

 

[Gerry_Hunter]

The fact that I am reluctant to judge others while acknowledging my own shortcomings does not preclude me from offering insights into certain situations. I mentioned in my post that when the opportunity arose, I would edify those who are stubborn, ignorant or misinformed. That, my friend is a spiritual work of mercy.

To conclude that those who espouse a right to abortion are not professing the Catholic faith in spite of a name they may claim is not passing judgement on anybody. It is exercising discernment. To fail to do the latter because it may be construed as the former is unacceptable.

You are right to say that enlightening them would be a spiritual work of mercy. But it is not right to label a rejection of their views as judging them.

Blessings,

Gerry

 

[RACJ]

There is nor such thing as a Catholic, or Christian, for “choice” to kill a baby in utero. If a Christian believes that legalized abortion is sound public policy, he or she must also believe that Mary had the “right” to kill the Christ child. If not, why others and not her? Rob

 

[peary1]

I stumbled across this organisation and could not believe what I read. Surely practicing Catholics cannot have the view points promoted by this group. I can only imagine that they are lapsed Catholics and so not attend mass. They clearly do not understand what it means to be a Catholic and why we have to listen to the magesterium.

Does anyone know any of them inh person and if so do they actually attend mass?

catholicsforchoice.org/about/board/default.asp

Well, what about practicing Catholic politicians who vote pro-choice every chance they get? They bring scandal to the Church and heap condemnation upon themselves.

 

[youngoldguy]

I found this thread intriguing as I have a prolife friend who voted for Obama. I was
shocked and saddened as she is a good friend. She was one who I considered a very holy
person attending prayer groups, daily mass and teaching monisourri school. She even has
prayed outside of abortion clinics in the past and home schooled her 2 adopted daughters.
In short, I felt she was very in tune to the Holy Spirit, until she voted for Obama in the
last election. I asked her about it and this is how she answered.

“I think there will be less
abortions under Obama because he will help the poor. Also now that we have Obama we
will not be torturing people any more. He will do something about global warming and
pay for my health care”.

She still attends the prayer groups and Mass and I feel is trying
to follow the Holy Spirit. Why doesn’t she see the lies she is following? Please pray for her.

 

[Fitz]

Catholics for Choice is not a group of Catholics that are pro-choice. Catholics for Choice is funded by George Soros and the Ford Foundation in order to weaken the Church in the United States. The end goal is to weaken the Catholic Church’s influenence on politicals issues.

YEP, you got that right! Soros is behind many far left initiatives, like move on.org

 

[peary1]

I found this thread intriguing as I have a prolife friend who voted for Obama. I was
shocked and saddened as she is a good friend. She was one who I considered a very holy
person attending prayer groups, daily mass and teaching monisourri school. She even has
prayed outside of abortion clinics in the past and home schooled her 2 adopted daughters.
In short, I felt she was very in tune to the Holy Spirit, until she voted for Obama in the
last election. I asked her about it and this is how she answered.

“I think there will be less
abortions under Obama because he will help the poor. Also now that we have Obama we
will not be torturing people any more. He will do something about global warming and
pay for my health care”.

She still attends the prayer groups and Mass and I feel is trying
to follow the Holy Spirit. Why doesn’t she see the lies she is following? Please pray for her.

In my experience, it seems that a lot of women have a very difficult time in the personal right to choose debate. On one hand, if they have been raised with a feminist agenda in schools and have “bought into” the whole pro-choice nonsense, it is very difficult for them to change, especially if they also have been using birth control. I am not a woman, but so many in our society have been brainwashed in a woman’s right to choose, and that is where they are psychologically.

 

[RACJ]

“I think there will be less
abortions under Obama because he will help the poor. Also now that we have Obama we
will not be torturing people any more. He will do something about global warming and
pay for my health care”.

She still attends the prayer groups and Mass and I feel is trying
to follow the Holy Spirit. Why doesn’t she see the lies she is following? Please pray for her.

It's amazing that so many Christians failed to see through the diabolical Marxist Obama. Sadly, this woman does not realize that global warming is a gigantic hoax, that capitalism with sensible resrictions, in tandem with our freedom, has led to the wealthiest poor in human history, and that she already HAS health CARE which treats evryone expeditiously regardless of circumstances. And waterboarding TERRORISTS to wrest intelligence to SAVE LIVES is NOT torture. Some people refuse to believe the truth!! Sheesh! Rob

P.S. The only “help” that Obama will give the poor is “free” abortions at our and her expense.

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Let’s keep things on topic and charitible.
Thank you.

 

[cargau]

To conclude that those who espouse a right to abortion are not professing the Catholic faith in spite of a name they may claim is not passing judgement on anybody. It is exercising discernment. To fail to do the latter because it may be construed as the former is unacceptable.

You are right to say that enlightening them would be a spiritual work of mercy. But it is not right to label a rejection of their views as judging them.

Blessings,

Gerry

Hi Gerry,

If you re-read some of the previous posts, I think you will conclude that there is some pretty harsh statements that are judgemental.

Look, I am on your side. I think abortion is the evil of our time. Anyone who supports this horrible act for any reason is seriously misguided.

My point is, that not everyone has the same understanding of morality or of Church teaching as it relates to morality. Instead of creating division, maybe we should be more accepting and through love and diologue we can bring these folks to a more complete understanding.

I guess I have a fundamental problem with the “my way or highway mindset”. I don’t think it is terribly Christ like. Think of Jesus and the way He treated Mary Magdelene when she was known by her community as a great sinner. “Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more”.

Loving your enemies is a tall order, especially when they favor the destruction of the tiniest and most helpless among us. Prayer, persistance and constant resolve with love is the surest way to stop them…

Christ’s Peace

 

[hazmae]

Society and the secular media have convinced some very faithful Christians that they shouldn’t “force their religious belief’s” on others.
The “I personally don’t believe it’s right but” philosophy.
Abortion is not JUST a religious issue, it is a human rights issue and that is how it should be presented. imo
I found most Obama supporters to be very ignorant of his policy’s. They wanted change and he promised it. Worshipping the golden calf.

 

[hazmae]

Cargau

My point is, that not everyone has the same understanding of morality or of Church teaching as it relates to morality. Instead of creating division, maybe we should be more accepting and through love and diologue we can bring these folks to a more complete understanding.

Bravo!!
I can be soooo harsh and judgemental. I stuggle against that constantly. You are right. We will win so many more hearts with compassion and understanding.
Not just int he abortion debate but in all our life.
Thank you for reminding me.

 

[RACJ]

Bravo!!
I can be soooo harsh and judgemental. I stuggle against that constantly. You are right. We will win so many more hearts with compassion and understanding.
Not just int he abortion debate but in all our life.
Thank you for reminding me.
I do not have the ability to fully jugde the motives or logic of other people. I DO know that those who call themselves "Catholics for Choice" have no righteousness on their side. Sugarcoating the truth does a disservice to God's Kingdom, I believe. One *can* be kind and discreet while reaching a given individual, but being clear and unapologetic is a necessity. Read "Forbidden Grief" by Teresa Burke, and see the tip of the iceberg of the great tragedy of human abortion. God Bless, Rob

 

[AnotherVoice]

Cargau

My point is, that not everyone has the same understanding of morality or of Church teaching as it relates to morality. Instead of creating division, maybe we should be more accepting and through love and diologue we can bring these folks to a more complete understanding.

Perhaps it is time to create a little division; abortion has been an ongoing debate for decades. I don’t feel that a great deal of progress is being made in convincing people to stop the killing.

I cannot envision a single member of the senate or the congress that is not clear about the Church’s position on abortion; it is just not something they can endorse. Not taking them task is remaining silent in the face of injustice.

 

[Heavens_Flowers]

I don’t know anyone associated with this group, but have met my fair share of “pro-choice Catholics”. So many people will say “Well, I’m against abortion except in the case of rape or incest”. To many people, this seems like the most compassionate response. To them, the life of the child is an abstract, not something to be considered when dealing with something so traumatic. Or those that feel that the “quality of life” outweighs the decision to allow that life to continue. They think that it is better for the baby to die in utero, than to be allowed to suffer for any amount of time after birth. I’d bet they’ve never seen what an abortion entails. It is torture, pure and simple.

I was blessed this past couple of weeks to hear both a homily by our PV and a reflection by our seminarian dealing with abortion, pointing out from the moment of conception–there is a human life at stake…one that needs to be protected…and that we ALL have a duty to stand up for life.

If it wasn’t such a gruesome act, I would suggest every Parish show what abortion really is and then take a poll to see how many are Pro-choice after seeing how terrible an innocent life was executed.

 

[Soutane]

They are Protestants who call themselves Catholic.Latter day Luthers without his courage.Instead of openly rebelling and nailing their greviences to the door and unequivocably denying the infallibilty of the Church and being excommunicated for heresy they act as a cancer within the Body of Christ.

Bring back Shunning.