Catholics for Ron Paul Coalition

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1holycatholic said:
What statement would that be? Are you referencing this? If so, you are gravely misrepresenting what was written.
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Seems the US Bishops are revisiting that issue because it was ‘vague’ in their opinion. How did you arrive at the infallible interpretation over them?
 
ishii said:
There is a big difference between nukes and conventional arms.
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In 1940, it wouldn’t have made any difference to isolationist America as far as our reaction would have been…
My point, which I apparently didn’t make clear enough, was that there are times when its wise to bomb another country’s nuclear reactor. Israel made that determination then with Iraq and they acted on it. That’s all.
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Their problem, not ours, so their solution.
 
estesbob said:
Proportionality has nothing to do with it. A Catholics we are allowed to use our prudential judgement is deciding whether to suppot the waging of a war.
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Yet, those who are against waging war have to vote for a candidate that supports waging of war? Sorry bob, it appears to be hypocritical. If war is not a proportionate reason, then it seems pro-war Catholics are obligated to try and nominate a candidate that will attract the anti-war crowd to help defeat abortion.🤷
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Seems the US Bishops are revisiting that issue because it was ‘vague’ in their opinion. How did you arrive at the infallible interpretation over them?
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The “US Bishops” sic] conference lacks a mandatum docendi, so “they” have no teaching authority as a body.
 
1holycatholic said:
The “US Bishops” sic] conference lacks a mandatum docendi, so “they” have no teaching authority as a body.
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So we should look to the one voice of the Church for clarification, the one voice that happened to have written the document?

If millions of Catholics had risk separation from the Church, and endangered their eternal salvation, it seems that one voice would be obligated to speak up and correct those in error. Why hasn’t he done that?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Trying to get this straight bob. A Catholic against the war, must look past that reason and vote for a pro-war candidate, as long as that candidate says they are pro-life. On the other hand, a Catholic who is not against the war has no obligation to vote against that belief to unify the anti-war Catholics in the effort to try and abolish abortion. Is that about it?
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A Catholic is NOT obligated to vote for someone if they are pro-life but hold other positions they find problematic. What they can not do is claim these other issues allow them to vote for a pro-abortion canodate
 
estesbob said:
A Catholic is NOT obligated to vote for someone if they are pro-life but hold other positions they find problematic. What they can not do is claim these other issues allow them to vote for a pro-abortion canodate
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So, a Catholic that would write in a pro-life candidate, other than the republican nominee, would be within the teachings of the Church?
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
So we should look to the one voice of the Church for clarification, the one voice that happened to have written the document?

If millions of Catholics had risk separation from the Church, and endangered their eternal salvation, it seems that one voice would be obligated to speak up and correct those in error. Why hasn’t he done that?
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The Church has spoken definitively on the matter. Many simply don’t like what the Church has to say and feign confusion to assuage their guilty consciences.
 
ishii said:
I honestly don’t think the mullahs in Iran would have a problem with muslims dying in a nuclear attack on Israel.

Ishii
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Do you think they might have a problem with Iran looking like a mirror from outer space? Surely Israel would ‘hammer’ them with nukes if they launched an attack against them.
 
1holycatholic said:
The Church has spoken definitively on the matter. Many simply don’t like what the Church has to say and feign confusion to assuage their guilty consciences.
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Let’s stay on topic unless you can provide the definitive document used in the last election, and then you should start another thread. The topic of this thread is Catholics for Ron Paul, who happens to be very pro-life if you didn’t know it already. 😉
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Do you think they might have a problem with Iran looking like a mirror from outer space? Surely Israel would ‘hammer’ them with nukes if they launched an attack against them.
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Let’s hope so.

And quit calling me Shirley. 😃
 
ishii said:
The terrorists who have the support of Iran.

Ishii
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Terrorism is the war of the poor, and War is the terrorism of the rich. History demonstrates two dirty secrets about terrorism, neither of which governments are anxious to admit. The first is that terrorism is almost impossible to prevent - unless its root causes are seriously and systematically addressed. That’s what needs to be addressed here: root causes. Why does Iran support terror? Why would Iran wish to procure a nuke? For political ends? For religion? What motivates someone to strap a bomb to a 12 year old? I doubt it is belief in a god(allah) that does not exist. I think it has more to do with political calculations and manipulations. But we could argue that point ad nauseum. If Israel believes that Iran might one day become a nuclear power and that such a development would be against her interests, Ron Paul would not stop Israel from doing whatever she deemed necessary to defend herself; Paul just does not want American lives to be sacrificed in undeclared foreign wars involving the internal disputes of other nations, especially when one of those nations is well-equipped to defend herself. In closing, remember, race and class are not the problem. Sin is the problem. Man is not the enemy. Diabolos is the enemy.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Let’s stay on topic unless you can provide the definitive document used in the last election, and then you should start another thread. The topic of this thread is Catholics for Ron Paul, who happens to be very pro-life if you didn’t know it already. 😉
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Your attempt to distort what Cardinal Ratzinger wrote and Pope John Paul II approved and authoritatively promulgated demands a response. At this time there is no other issue, even all other issues in aggregate, that constitutes a proportionate reason justifying voting for a pro abortion candidate.
 
1holycatholic said:
Your attempt to distort what Cardinal Ratzinger wrote and Pope John Paul II approved and authoritatively promulgated demands a response. At this time there is no other issue, even all other issues in aggregate, that constitutes a proportionate reason justifying voting for a pro abortion candidate.
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What reason would you have for derailing this thread? If you’d like a response, start another thread and send me a pm. I would be glad to respond, even though we’ve been through this before, and I believe others would too, because the Bishops are discussing revisiting what they believe to be a vague document. Cardinal Ratzinger said a Catholic could vote for a pro-abortion candidate as long as the Catholic did not vote for that candidate precisely to support that Candidate’s position on abortion. So produce the definitive document and let’s review it together to investigate what I believe to be a false inflammatory accusation of ‘distortion’. :rolleyes:
 
kubark said:
Why does Iran support terror? Why would Iran wish to procure a nuke? For political ends? For religion? What motivates someone to strap a bomb to a 12 year old? I doubt it is belief in a god(allah) that does not exist. I think it has more to do with political calculations and manipulations. .
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Don’t underestimate the role of evil.
 
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