Catholics for Ron Paul Coalition

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Ron Paul came in 152 votes behind Bachmann and all we heard all weekend was Bachmann, Perry, Romney; crickets for Ron Paul. Perry got more media attention simply for announcing his candidacy than Ron Paul got for finishing second the Iowa straw poll. But no, there’s no conspiracy here. Media “polls” do not decide elections, the people decide elections. Charles Krauthammer should not decide elections, the people should decide elections.
Ron Paul always does well in straw polls but never does well in primaries. . He has yet to break out of single-digit support in any national poll taken yet he receives far more media coverage than any of the other fringe candidates. Tthe question is not why does Ron Paul get so little media recognition, the question is why does he get so much?
 
Ron Paul always does well in straw polls but never does well in primaries. . He has yet to break out of single-digit support in any national poll taken yet he receives far more media coverage than any of the other fringe candidates. Tthe question is not why does Ron Paul get so little media recognition, the question is why does he get so much?
“Four years ago, Mike Huckabee came in a bad second to Romney, losing by 13.4 percentage points. Huckabee managed to spin that into a victory at Ames and became a media darling. But Paul almost wins the thing and he remains poison.” - Paul Simon, Politico.
 
Ron Paul always does well in straw polls but never does well in primaries. . He has yet to break out of single-digit support in any national poll taken yet he receives far more media coverage than any of the other fringe candidates. Tthe question is not why does Ron Paul get so little media recognition, the question is why does he get so much?
In head to head matchups, Ron Paul polls competitively against Obama. Better than most of the ordained “front runners”. The only place where Paul cannot seem to gain traction is with the old guard, status quo Republicans, who seem dead set on selecting a candidate will alienate the independent middle and pro-life Democrats who would otherwise vote against Obama.

So, my guess, the GOP will pick anyone but Paul, and then loose in the 2012 elections…again, all in the name of picking an ideologically 'mainstream" “conservative” candidate. If loosing means that much to the GOP, just declare Romney or Perry the winner and get on with it already. I’ll just sit back and watch the GOP implode…again, because chances are the Tea Party will not support either of those two with any great vigor.
 
[SIGN]I’m in too![/SIGN] I too have recently decided to back Paul for president.

Both parties have blood on their hands. Our country is headed into the toilet, and the other candidates are not offering real solutions. We need something revolutionary to get us back on track. If we don’t start thinking outside the box, our country is going down in a big way.

If enough people decide to stop the evil being done in their name, we can stop it. I admit it’s a long shot, but I don’t see any other candidate contemplating the kind of reforms we desperately need.
Agreed, but the problem is bigger than the government corruption staining both parties who basically bow down to the force that is strong enough to determine the political landscape. And We, the People? I contend that we would not have this evil if we were not guilty of a wholesale abandonment of the Christian faith and godly values which has caused us to lose our vision of the basic principles of the Constitution. On May Day there was a march in Los Angeles that should frighten every American as the Democrat Progressives, the SEIU and the CPUSA joined hands, no longer caring that their support for one another be concealed from the public. Except for isolated blogs that reported the incident and took actual pictures of the signs which extolled Communism, the American people looked the other way and expressed no outrage over such an affront against their Republic.

I am backing Paul, but he won’t be allowed to achieve success for the very reasons we wish him to be in office. He is adamantly against undeclared war, our new police state, fiat currency and the bills of credit issued by the Fed - all those things that have been declared inviolable by a government which cares nothing about us or the liberty we are supposed to be living under.
 
“One reason the bipartisan establishment finds Paul so obnoxious is how much the past four years have proven him correct - on the housing bubble, on the economy, on our foreign misadventures, and on our national debt. In 2002, as President George W. Bush was pushing more subsidies for mortgages and home-buying under the motto of an ‘ownership society,’ Ron Paul took to the House floor to issue a warning. Through Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Reserve, 'the government increases the likelihood of a painful crash in the housing market. Paul dissented on the Iraq War, being openly skeptical of Bush administration claims that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and al-Qaeda ties, neither of which Hussein had. Paul was ignored in 2008 because neither the mainstream media nor the GOP leadership wanted to hear this at the time. Housing was the engine of our growth, and Ron Paul was just being a crank again. So we pumped and pumped, until the inevitable crash… Again and again Paul has dissented, been laughed at, and been proven correct. That may be one reason he evokes so much scorn in certain corners of the Right.” - Tim Carney, Washington Examiner.
 
In head to head matchups, Ron Paul polls competitively against Obama. Better than most of the ordained “front runners”. The only place where Paul cannot seem to gain traction is with the old guard, status quo Republicans, who seem dead set on selecting a candidate will alienate the independent middle and pro-life Democrats who would otherwise vote against Obama.

So, my guess, the GOP will pick anyone but Paul, and then loose in the 2012 elections…again, all in the name of picking an ideologically 'mainstream" “conservative” candidate. If loosing means that much to the GOP, just declare Romney or Perry the winner and get on with it already. I’ll just sit back and watch the GOP implode…again, because chances are the Tea Party will not support either of those two with any great vigor.
No surprise there-I would vote for Paul in a head-to-head matchup with Obama. , Ron Paul has no chance of winning the Republican nomination and if by chance he did get it he would be utterly destroyed in the general election. It is not a matter of an evil conspiracy between Jews, communists, , facists , the press, neocons, etc- it’s because he offers wacky ,simplistic solutions to complex problems. . He has no support on either side of the political spectrum.
 
In head to head matchups, Ron Paul polls competitively against Obama. Better than most of the ordained “front runners”. The only place where Paul cannot seem to gain traction is with the old guard, status quo Republicans, who seem dead set on selecting a candidate will alienate the independent middle and pro-life Democrats who would otherwise vote against Obama.

So, my guess, the GOP will pick anyone but Paul, and then loose in the 2012 elections…again, all in the name of picking an ideologically 'mainstream" “conservative” candidate. If loosing means that much to the GOP, just declare Romney or Perry the winner and get on with it already. I’ll just sit back and watch the GOP implode…again, because chances are the Tea Party will not support either of those two with any great vigor.
Couldn’t have said it better.
 
No surprise there-I would vote for Paul in a head-to-head matchup with Obama. , Ron Paul has no chance of winning the Republican nomination and if by chance he did get it he would be utterly destroyed in the general election. It is not a matter of an evil conspiracy between Jews, communists, , facists , the press, neocons, etc- it’s because he offers wacky ,simplistic solutions to complex problems. . He has no support on either side of the political spectrum.
“wacky, simplistic solutions”?? Here, let me translate: CONSTITUTIONAL SOLUTIONS. There, that’s better. “No support on either side of the political spectrum”?? Here, let me translate: No support among neo-marxists and neo-conservatives but PLENTY of support among pro-life, pro-constitution conservatives, independents and democrats - in other words, plenty of support among the people who will decided the next election.
 
“wacky, simplistic solutions”?? Here, let me translate: CONSTITUTIONAL SOLUTIONS. There, that’s better. “No support on either side of the political spectrum”?? Here, let me translate: No support among neo-marxists and neo-conservatives but PLENTY of support among pro-life, pro-constitution conservatives, independents and democrats - in other words, plenty of support among the people who will decided the next election.
I guess this would be the first time in history that neo-Marxist and neoconservatives got together to form a conspiracy to block the election of somebody who didn’t have a chance in hell of being elected anyway.
 
The lesser of two evils is always an evil. It was the “lesser of two evils” principle that Catholics used to justify their support for George W. Bush. Disgust with Bush gave us Obama who was elected not so much on his own merits but in a vote of protest against John McCain - who too closely reminded a war-weary populace of the reckless, wasteful and unconstitutional policies of George W. Bush. Catholics are about to repeat the same mistake in 2012. Catholics should have rallied around Pat Buchanan in 2000 and around Ron Paul in 2012. Instead Catholics are being hypnotized by Romney/Perry. Catholics have decided the last two Presidents. Catholics will determine the next President. It is time for Catholics to start acting and voting like Catholics. And when you think about it, Ron Paul is really the most pro-life candidate. To determine the pro-life status of any candidate, one must look not only at the issues of abortion, euthanansia, stem-cells, etc. but ALSO at the candidate’s foreign policy. When you take a comprehensive view of “pro-life” you quickly realize that Ron Paul is the best candidate and has the voting record to prove it. Remember, the lesser of two evils is always an evil. If faced with voting for Obama or an establishment Republican, I think the only moral option for a Catholic would be to write in Ron Paul. Remember, “pro-life” covers much more than beginning of life and end of life. Remember, the Constitution matters. And remember, Catholics will be the deciding factor in the next election.
Nonsense. The Church specifically said that a candidates support or non-support of war did not rise to the level of abortion. . In fact, the only other thing the church mentions coming even close is racism, , which is problematic for supporters of a man who does not believe the government has any business interfering with forced segregation and enforcing antidiscrimination laws.

The idea that Ron Paul is the true “Catholic” candidate is absolutely specious. . The idea that a Catholic should throw his vote away, thus ensuring the reelection of the most pro-abortion candidate in history specious. . I am forever thankful that this is the last election Ron Paul is going to run in so we will not be faced with this nonsense again in another four years
 
I guess this would be the first time in history that neo-Marxist and neoconservatives got together to form a conspiracy to block the election of somebody who didn’t have a chance in hell of being elected anyway.
He has as better chance of beating Obama than he does of being supported by the so-called conservative Republican Party. So I guess you are partly correct. The question is not what Republicans are going to do but what are Catholics going to do.
 
He has as better chance of beating Obama than he does of being supported by the so-called conservative Republican Party. So I guess you are partly correct. The question is not what Republicans are going to do but what are Catholics going to do.
50+% are going to vote for Obama regardless. Most of the rest will vote for whatever poster boy Republican is thrown up there.
 
Nonsense. The Church specifically said that a candidates support or non-support of war did not rise to the level of abortion. . In fact, the only other thing the church mentions coming even close is racism, , which is problematic for supporters of a man who does not believe the government has any business interfering with forced segregation and enforcing antidiscrimination laws.

The idea that Ron Paul is the true “Catholic” candidate is absolutely specious. . The idea that a Catholic should throw his vote away, thus ensuring the reelection of the most pro-abortion candidate in history specious. . I am forever thankful that this is the last election Ron Paul is going to run in so we will not be faced with this nonsense again in another four years
Either no vote is a wasted vote, or all votes are wasted votes.
 
“Parralel universe” + “sheesh” = fallacious attempt at an argument. Please define “mainstream” and “fringe”.
By mainstream and fringe I mean he’s neither fish nor fowl, i.e. neither conservative nor liberal: he’s a libertarian. That is outside the norms of American political discourse. This isn’t an argument by the way, it’s just an observation that I think any neutral observer will agree with.

My argument really is that if you want to persuade people to give your candidate a second look you should moderate some of the wilder conspiratorial language in your post.
 
by mainstream and fringe i mean he’s neither fish nor fowl, i.e. Neither conservative nor liberal: He’s a libertarian. That is outside the norms of american political discourse. This isn’t an argument by the way, it’s just an observation that i think any neutral observer will agree with.

My argument really is that if you want to persuade people to give your candidate a second look you should moderate some of the wilder conspiratorial language in your post.
warning warning - - - logic error - - - false dichotomy
 
My argument really is that if you want to persuade people to give your candidate a second look you should moderate some of the wilder conspiratorial language in your post.
It is the inability of Ron Paul supporters to see that people can actually disagree with his positions without having been misled, that make it so hard to have a rational discussion with them I’ve pretty much decided I’m going to ignore any post that has the term “neocon” in it.
 
He nearly beat Bachmann in the Straw poll, and no one iwll give him attention except Jon Stewart. This angers me :mad:
 
The lesser of two evils is always an evil. It was the “lesser of two evils” principle that Catholics used to justify their support for George W. Bush. Disgust with Bush gave us Obama who was elected not so much on his own merits but in a vote of protest against John McCain - who too closely reminded a war-weary populace of the reckless, wasteful and unconstitutional policies of George W. Bush. Catholics are about to repeat the same mistake in 2012. Catholics should have rallied around Pat Buchanan in 2000 and around Ron Paul in 2012. Instead Catholics are being hypnotized by Romney/Perry. Catholics have decided the last two Presidents. Catholics will determine the next President. It is time for Catholics to start acting and voting like Catholics. And when you think about it, Ron Paul is really the most pro-life candidate. To determine the pro-life status of any candidate, one must look not only at the issues of abortion, euthanansia, stem-cells, etc. but ALSO at the candidate’s foreign policy. When you take a comprehensive view of “pro-life” you quickly realize that Ron Paul is the best candidate and has the voting record to prove it. Remember, the lesser of two evils is always an evil. If faced with voting for Obama or an establishment Republican, I think the only moral option for a Catholic would be to write in Ron Paul. Remember, “pro-life” covers much more than beginning of life and end of life. Remember, the Constitution matters. And remember, Catholics will be the deciding factor in the next election.
Interesting thoughts, but it’s far too late in the day for this. If Catholics voted like Catholics, there wouldn’t be a Democrat in the White House or either house of Congress.

But that’s not the way Catholics vote, and there’s not sufficient reason to expect them to. Therefore, we have nothing BUT “the lesser of two evils”. And one has to recognize that the difference between the “two evils” is huge. It’s not a tweedle-dee, tweedle-dum choice when it comes to Obama and some Republican nowadays. Not by a long way.

Support Ron Paul if you wish. But if he doesn’t win the primary, and I’m inclined to think he won’t, then I trust you will not sit the election out in vain and righteous anger and will actually oppose the far greater of the “two evils” by voting against it.
 
Interesting thoughts, but it’s far too late in the day for this. If Catholics voted like Catholics, there wouldn’t be a Democrat in the White House or either house of Congress.

But that’s not the way Catholics vote, and there’s not sufficient reason to expect them to. Therefore, we have nothing BUT “the lesser of two evils”. And one has to recognize that the difference between the “two evils” is huge. It’s not a tweedle-dee, tweedle-dum choice when it comes to Obama and some Republican nowadays. Not by a long way.

Support Ron Paul if you wish. But if he doesn’t win the primary, and I’m inclined to think he won’t, then I trust you will not sit the election out in vain and righteous anger and will actually oppose the far greater of the “two evils” by voting against it.
I believe Archbishop Chaput put it best: It’s not a matter of voting for the lesser of two evils, it’s a matter of voting to lessen evil"
 
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