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He’ll still be getting my vote. Then, when Romney, Obama, or Perry are president in a couple years and continue the big government spending, ignoring the problems with the fed, foreign wars, social security, medicare, nothing new gets done on abortion, I will come back and say “I told you so. You wasted your vote on a guy who made promises he had no intention of keeping.”
LOL Then, I will allow rhetorical questions to go unanswered rather than argue them.That’s not a Vatican source. And the Wikipedia piece does not state the Church’s official position on the war, rather it offers a reporter’s opinion of the Pope’s opinion of the war with a citation so vague as to be useless.
Uh,no, there isn’t. If you take away the laws forbidding something then it is legal until the States make it illegal. Which a number of Paul supporters hope some States will not do. This isn’t as much about States Rights as it is about legalization of drugs. Pot the first drug of choice right now (followed closely by coke). Has been for a long time now for Paul supporters.
The list of wars the Church declares to be unjust is like the list of people the Church declares to be in Hell.
No, if you take away the FEDERAL laws on the books, then the STATES can still do something about it.
There you go again, cluttering up the discussion and confusing the issue by, uh… discussing things and citing to facts and stuff.
There are only two types of wars: just wars and unjust wars. The Pope is saying that there can be a “diversity of opinion” among Catholics about waging JUST WARS. There are certain objective criteria that must be met in order for any war to be considered just. I highly doubt our current foreign misadventures meet those requirements but perhaps it is time for the bishops to make that more clear.
Where in his statement is the word “just” used? . He also issued his statement when both the Iraqi and Afghan he wars were in progress. .
Well, the Pope is not talking about unjust wars. There can be no “diversity of opinion” on the waging of unjust wars. Waging unjust wars is a mortal sin. Since the Pope is not talking about unjust wars and there are only two types of wars, just and unjust, then the Pope is talking about JUST WARS. And the fact that he issued this statement when both the Iraqi and Afghan wars were in progress in no way lends any validity to your specious argument. You are cherrypicking a statement and then misrepresenting it. Read ALL of the last two Pope’s statements regarding our preemptive, interventionist wars.
But…but…what about “hope” and “change”??
No, no. I know you didn’t say that I predicted that Perry would take the WH. I think it was Prodigal. I’m sure he meant no malice, just a loose statement. No biggie. I’m just trying to be clear because I’m already pretty far out on the limb with my prediction. I don’t want it extending out any further. I know I’m wound a bit tight, but that’s how I roll.
Yes, nothing is declared. All we have are the opinions (though learned) of bishops, priests, or in some cases, the Holy Father.
Yea!! Scott is talking to me!! I totally admire your position. Principles are useless unless we’re willing to stand by them especially when it might cost us something. Lord knows, I’ve taken positions that were unpopular amongst my liberal friends. It cost me dearly. So, in a weird sort of way, we have a great deal in common. Oh, oh, I don’t mean to insult you by insinuating that you and I have anything in common.
I post Church statments , you post only your opinions and then accuse me of cherry picking. You position is untenable. it is obvious you nver researched what the Church actually teaches.
Nobody will care in the least the opinion of somene who sat the elction out.
You pick one or 2 lines out of one or two cardinal’s statements to justify your opinions contrary to the Pope’s attitude. Wec try to explain the Vatican and Pope’s stands. Socialism is not an inherent evil by any stretch any more than Capitalism: The Popes have spoken against the Extremes of Each including the Unregulated World Financial Collapses of 10/87 and especially 2008. Socialism, which works well in every nation, has Never caused such a national or international collapse. Remember that the Wordwide Great Deppression of 1929 was Direct result of blatant unregulated “Free Market” speculation, with tiny or no Money backing. The Deppression Changed World History, Was principal in Hitler’s rise and WW II, etc., etc. Why ignore extreme capitaism, while generically attack socialism? And why support Some Wars as Jusdtifiable, when the World and Church view them as totally Wrong? Your minority viewpoints are against Church and Public attitudes. Please stop telling us we are wrong; CAF is for Exchanges of Ideas, not picturing the USCCB, the Vatican, the Church of justifying something it does Not, or just opinins.
Really? Are you familiar with this quote: “No one can be at the same time a sincere Catholic and a true socialist.” from Pius XI? Are you aware that the problem with capitalism is the actions of individual capitalists working within the capitalist system? The problem with socialism is the socialist system itself. The Church does not condemn capitalism as such, but recognizes that there must be some restraints put on the capitalist system. The Church does not treat socialism in the same way and for good reason:
I admire anyone who holds to principle in the face of great opposition, as long as the principles are Godly and just.Yea!! Scott is talking to me!! I totally admire your position. Principles are useless unless we’re willing to stand by them especially when it might cost us something. Lord knows, I’ve taken positions that were unpopular amongst my liberal friends. It cost me dearly. So, in a weird sort of way, we have a great deal in common. Oh, oh, I don’t mean to insult you by insinuating that you and I have anything in common.
Keep up the good fight.
God will and His is the only opinion I really care about.