Catholics for Ron Paul Coalition

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Darryl1958 said:
As a part of the truce in 1991 or so, Iraq had to agree to a no-fly zone. As you recall, Saddam was involved in mustard gas attacks against his own citizens in the past, so this was put in as a condition so as to avoid similar actions.
Of course this did not stop him from slaughtering the Marsh Shia Arabs in the south, while American troops unfortunately did not get involved with to respect the truce, even as Saddam was breaking it.

There were many reasons given for the re-invasion. No need to rehash all that. Suffice it to way that Saddam’s time had come where he was not going to be tolerated any longer.

As far as no one in the region being worth the effort, that is a rather brutal assessment. I think the ultimate sacrifices made by so many American volunteers in order to bring hope to the region will not be in vain. They obviously thought the people of the region were worth it, or they wouldn’t have volunteered to lay down their lives for the cause of freedom for these people.
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Any American is free to go over and volunteer with Israel’s (or any other country on the face of the earth) Military. It is not the job of the US military to be the world’s peacekeepers or nationbuilders. You as an individual, feel free… volunteer to lay down YOUR life and stop asking OTHERS to lay down theirs. Why is it that Ron Paul (just like last election) gets more contributions from active duty military than all the other Republican COMBINED. And receives substantially more than Obama as well.
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This Vet, Michael P. Molloy – also a long time Pro-Life Activist – agrees 100% with Ron Paul’s Foreign Policy.
 
Darryl1958 said:
Is this Ron Paul as anti-American as you are?
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Instead of name calling maybe you would care to make an argument. Pointing out fault in my Government is no more Anti-American than ridiculing our Current POTUS.
 
ishii said:
If he got the nomination, I believe it would guarentee Obama re-election. If he runs as a 3rd party candidate (because he has no chance of getting the nomination), it would take away votes from the GOP candidate.

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Thinking like this ensures we will never, EVER have a real choice.
 
Invincis said:
Thinking like this ensures we will never, EVER have a real choice.
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The difference is that I understand that there is too much at stake to sit this election out because the “real choice” perfect candidate didn’t win. If you want Obama to get re-elected and nominate another two pro-abortion justices then go ahead and sit this one out.
 
louis91766 said:
Perhaps American should rethink that two party system and consider the advantages of more parties.
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There is the Republican Party, Democratic party and then people have a choice of voting for libertarians like Ron Paul who tend to caucus with Republicans or Independents who can caucus with Democrats.

Just because a third party is available, doesn’t mean anyone is going to vote for it.
 
bbarrick8383 said:
There is the Republican Party, Democratic party and then people have a choice of voting for libertarians like Ron Paul who tend to caucus with Republicans or Independents who can caucus with Democrats.

Just because a third party is available, doesn’t mean anyone is going to vote for it.
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Both parties are for war. I am for peace. Ron Paul has the best foreign policy in my opinion, but I don;t like his domestic agenda. I would vote for the Peace and Freedom party except that they appear to be pro-choice.
 
ishii said:
The difference is that I understand that there is too much at stake to sit this election out because the “real choice” perfect candidate didn’t win. If you want Obama to get re-elected and nominate another two pro-abortion justices then go ahead and sit this one out.
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Absolutely. And as far as what any Chaplain may say, I can give you a greater number of high ranking clergy who have said that artificial birth control can be licit. I can argue this point because its simple math with regard to voting. Finally, as bad as the economy may be, and maybe going back to the Gold standard might actually help, but that pales in comparison to the atrocity of abortion.
 
louis91766 said:
Both parties are for war. I am for peace. Ron Paul has the best foreign policy in my opinion, but I don;t like his domestic agenda. I would vote for the Peace and Freedom party except that they appear to be pro-choice.
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There is no “Peace and Freedom” party in America. Well, there is the Libertarian Party, but the Democrats and Republican Parties will never, ever let it break into the system. The game is rigged. You have your choice of two big-government, pro-war, pro-entitlement, “spend more money than we have” parties. One seems to love abortion and euthanasia, the other seems to love forcing Christian morality on everyone.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
There is no “Peace and Freedom” party in America. Well, there is the Libertarian Party, but the Democrats and Republican Parties will never, ever let it break into the system. The game is rigged. You have your choice of two big-government, pro-war, pro-entitlement, “spend more money than we have” parties. One seems to love abortion and euthanasia, the other seems to love forcing Christian morality on everyone.
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I know you are solidly pro life and that you have no problem with forcing laws that protect the unborn on everyone involved in that. Why is it so anathema that other issues we should take a back seat to?
 
JMJSHJ said:
I know you are solidly pro life and that you have no problem with forcing laws that protect the unborn on everyone involved in that. Why is it so anathema that other issues we should take a back seat to?
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So, you have no problem destroying the future of our children in the name of eliminating abortion using a plan that is a proven failure for 30+ years?
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
There is no “Peace and Freedom” party in America. Well, there is the Libertarian Party, but the Democrats and Republican Parties will never, ever let it break into the system. The game is rigged. You have your choice of two big-government, pro-war, pro-entitlement, “spend more money than we have” parties. One seems to love abortion and euthanasia, the other seems to love forcing Christian morality on everyone.
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Here’s what Alan Keyes has to say about it…or maybe some hold the same hatred for him as for Ron Paul?
The 2-party system: Like a rigged casino
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The elite’s media minions encourage the public to be preoccupied with the two parties’ mock combat with one another. As a result, most people fail to notice that the definition of politics accepted by both parties gives each a stake in preserving the power position of the government; and a tacit interest in assuring the periodic success of their opponents.
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The standard Democratic Party political tactic lures their adherents with promised programs, and threatens them with “Republican” spending cuts. The standard Republican Party political tactic lures their adherents with promised spending restraints and threatens them with Democratic tax increases. Either way, the government’s potential power over national resources is being manipulated to favor the prospects of one party or the other.
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During the opening session of the newly elected House of Representatives, the members read aloud the Constitution of the United States. Who will notice that it makes no mention of parties? Will they remember that its provisions were framed in light of an understanding of politics that sees beyond the common lust for money and power? Will they recall the understanding that makes the principle of right, endowed by their Creator, the common good that unifies the American people, and that is supposed to make of us an example fit to substantiate the hope of decent community for all of humankind?
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kubark said:
Sooooooo…I guess there is no such thing as the “Truman Doctrine” because “officially” it was called the “Recommendation for assistance to Greece and Turkey.” I assure you, the Bush Doctrine is real. American men and women have died enforcing it. You are right, Reagan did call the Soviet Union “the evil empire” and declared that Communism was headed for the ash heap of history, but, like the tough union leader that he once was, after he took his stand and made his case, he was ready to sit down and talk. He was tough but not bellicose. Would Reagan have declared a policy of preventive war to keep any rival from rising to where it might challenge us? Would he have thrown over the Cold War doctrines of deterrence and containment (you don’t deny these “doctrines” do you?) as irrelevant to our time? Would he have called for world democratic revolution (like the one we are seeing come to “fruition” under Obama) to change regimes that did not threaten or attack us? How could Bush say that we are not secure if the Islamic world is not democratic? The Islamic world has never been democratic the few times it has been “democratic” we got “bad guys” like Nasser, Khadafi, Assad, Sadaam, and the Baath Party. Every president since FDR got along fine with the “bad guys” so long as it made us safe. And one more thing about your reference to the “evil empire.” We preach democracy and human rights, yet prop up dictators and oligarchs who oppress Islamic peoples and squander their wealth. In other words, we meddle in their affairs. And then you have America’s neopagan culture - alchohol, drugs, abortions, pornography - all a satanic lure that corrupts the morals of Islamic children. You see, to millions of muslims, we are the “evil empire.”
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So, if we’re all free to invent “Doctrines” based on events or positions as we see them, then I’m free to call interstate trafficking of prostitution the “Paul Doctrine”, perhaps?

You’re saying Arabs are incapable of democracy and we shouldn’t do anything, then, to support it. On the other hand, you’re saying we shouldn’t do anything to support dictatorial alternatives either. Bottom line, we just need to stay out of Middle Eastern affairs entirely, and no matter what, unless, of course, they bomb New York City or something. Never mind whether they bomb Tel Aviv. Right?
 
MMolloy said:
I have no problems making friends with anyone who shows the least bit of forthrightness and honesty. But when every comment contains 1/2 truths and insults, It’s doubtful how good of an ally that person would be. It’d be like having a know-it-all green Lt in combat… he’s much more likely to get you killed, than he is to kill the enemy.
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Point established. Potential allies have to meet your requirements or they are not welcome or wanted.

Are you, or other Ron Paul people going to vote for the Repub nominee if it’s not Ron Paul, or are you going to vote for him anyway as a write-in or stay home?
 
No Presidential Candidate so far is worthy of our Vote, unless you want vote ‘pro-life’ to Cut Taxes Richest, most Profitable 5% More, Cut People Programs that Catholic Social Conscience supports. SSA and Medicare Continue Self Financed and Net Plus self supporting; as such. Since Self Financed by seperate Dedicated taxes, and set up Independent, there is Zero excuse to cut or privatioze them, as Tea Party Radicals and GOP want to. There are Other Presidential and local candidates for Conscientious and loyal Catholics to vote for, as I did in 2008. Warfare and spending as Much for Our Armed foces than the rest of the World Combined is the Neo-Con Policy, Including Military conquests of Muslim Nations we initiated without cause in Iraq. Prime focus on Military Power and Military Conquest is The Cause of collapse of the Roman, Tojo, and Nazi Empires. We are in the Same Process, Begun by Reagan, then GW Bush/Chaney.
Let's watch where our Pro-Life votes go; No national Candidate now is worth a Catholic Vote: Social Responsibility And Pro-Life. :hey_bud::knight1::highprayer:
 
jam070406 said:
You mean it’s been lip service? :eek:
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I think that the ardent pro-life Republicans have been sincere in their efforts to eliminate the plagueof abortion from our midst. I just think that their plan of stacking the Supreme Court with pro-life justices has failed miserably and makes them seem hypocrites, decrying “activist judges” on one hand and trying to put in judges for the purpose of overturning precedent on the other (i.e., activist).
 
Ridgerunner said:
Point established. Potential allies have to meet your requirements or they are not welcome or wanted.

Are you, or other Ron Paul people going to vote for the Repub nominee if it’s not Ron Paul, or are you going to vote for him anyway as a write-in or stay home?
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I haven’t made up my mind. Much of my diatribe is expressed frustration at the Republican Party. If it comes down to it, I will probably drink a bottle of Pepto-Bismal, hold my nose, and vote for whatever rubber stamped non-Obama candidate is offered up for public consumption, but it will be my last time doing it, but only becuase I see Obama as the most destructive president America has ever had. Even worse than Jimmy Carter, and that is because I think Carter deep down wanted to do right by the American people. I think Obama is intentionally trying to cripple America and make it just “another nation in a world of nations”.
 
See the USCCB Family Faithful Citizenship guide: Not one Issue to continue the Destruction of Social Responsibilty Policy.
 
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