His posts are as offensive to Protestants as to Catholics. The Virgin Mary is the Mother of Jesus–the Son of God, the Word Incarnate, who came in the flesh as fully God and fully man. I really can’t imagine how any Christian would claim that Mary is not the Mother of Jesus.
Anna
Your mind is stuck, Anna, re-read what you wrote and re-read what I wrote.
I NEVER said Mary is not the mother of Jesus. And I certainly NEVER said Jesus is not God.
Jesus was human and also DIVINE. The Divine part - which really is what determines divinity did NOT come from Mary. Its as simple as that. Mary was a surrogate mother if that is the term to use.
Call Mary, the mother of Jesus is not wrong…but calling her the mother of God is blasphemy.
And in the very words of Mary herself…**.Luke1:38 - “I am the Lord’s slave”
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It is a great mishandling of scripture when the characters themselves declare themselves as slaves, yet the readers exalt them to even divinity.
Who has said that the “Divine part” of Jesus came from Mary? Jesus was conceived through the Holy Spirit. No one on this Thread is claiming otherwise.
Who has deified Mary? Catholics have clearly stated they do not deify or worship Mary.
And I realise that the problem actually is that Catholics believe that Jesus came from Mary and is not ‘surrogate’.
Well, yes Jesus is 100% human…but then?..are you assuming that the 100% part of Jesus came FROM Mary? Okay, you might retort and say, “why do you then assume that the 100% did NOT come from Mary?”
What I do learn from Scripture is that no flesh shall inherit the kingdom, by that it must mean (since Jesus has ASCENDED into heaven), that the flesh of Jesus is not the flesh that we all know of (since Jesus Himself said “this is the manna that came down from heaven”). Now, the Bible says very clearly that Jesus came FROM Heaven, the conception was by the Holy Spirit, and Jesus Himself declared that He was manna FROM Heaven.
NOW…how does Mary come into play as being the ‘producer’ of that which came from heaven??? NOTHING!..In which case, she was indeed just a ‘surrogate’.
No one is claiming that Mary was the “producer” of that which came from heaven.
Your claim that Mary was a “surrogate,” denies both the Prophecies of the OT, and the very words of the NT. There is no Scripture that claims Mary was a surrogate–so you are re-writing the N.T. for your own purposes. You are altering Holy Scripture–very dangerous.
The O.T. contains many prophecies regarding the coming of Christ–notice He would come as a descendant of David, according to the flesh, a son of David’s body. Jesus as “fully man” was a descendant through the line of David, as foretold by prophecy.
**2 Samuel 7: **12 When your days are fulfilled and you lie down with your fathers, I will raise up your offspring after you, who shall come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever.
Psalm 132: 11 The LORD swore to David a sure oath from which he will not turn back: “One of the sons of your body I will set on your throne. . .”
Jesus was descended from David “according to the flesh.”
Romans 1:
1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, 2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3 concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh 4 and was declared to be the Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord, 5 through whom we have received grace and apostleship to bring about the obedience of faith for the sake of his name among all the nations, 6including you who are called to belong to Jesus Christ,
Jesus came as God incarnate, the Word became flesh.
John 1 (ESV): 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 ( John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”) 16 And from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Jesus was “born of a woman, born under the law.”
Galatians 4: 4 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law,
To deny that Mary is the Mother of Jesus, is to deny that Jesus came in the flesh, as a descendant of David.
Your denial has serious ramifications, extending to the crucifixion of Christ and His atonement of our sins through the sacrifice of His body and blood.
You malign the Virgin Mary, the mother of Jesus, the mother of God Incarnate.
