Catholics going "Green"?

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Don’t you think that excessive snowfall could be due to environmental problems? It doesn’t just mean warmer weather, it means weather that may be unbalanced as well. Despite the snowfall you received, polar ice caps the size of countries are melting increasing the amount of undrinkable water in the world, causing flooding and huge storms.

Didn’t you see that movie the day after tomorrow? Of course that is an extreme scenario and I am not saying that is the case here but it shows what could happen. It does not mean just warmer weather.
:rotfl: Please point out a time when weather was “balanced.” :rolleyes:

No…The Day After Tomorrow was more than an extreme scenario. It was fiction.

EDIT ADD: Our snowfall (excessive? How do you know it is excessive? Was it excessive 58 years ago?) could be due to environmental problems or it could be due to normal climate change…you know…the kind that has been happening since time began…🤷
 
:rotfl: Please point out a time when weather was “balanced.” :rolleyes:

No…The Day After Tomorrow was more than an extreme scenario. It was fiction.

EDIT ADD: Our snowfall (excessive? How do you know it is excessive? Was it excessive 58 years ago?) could be due to environmental problems or it could be due to normal climate change…you know…the kind that has been happening since time began…🤷
Well,whether this is a natural phenomena or human induced,the fact remains that we are charged with being the stewards of Gods Creation.And we do need to pay attention to what we are doing to our planet.Unless you think we are no better than pigeons and we should just go ahead and continue to poop in our own nest?

And I apologize TLM for calling you a dullard.But,it was a hillbilly devil could care type of statement you made.
 
For those who don’t believe in global warming, you have even more reason to ‘go green’, in order to save the planet before global warming starts!

PS-I do believe in global warming so this doesn’t apply to me. I want to try to live more eco-friendly (oh my:eek: I just used a cliche) than i am now…WISH ME LUCK:thumbsup:
 
Well,whether this is a natural phenomena or human induced,the fact remains that we are charged with being the stewards of Gods Creation.And we do need to pay attention to what we are doing to our planet.Unless you think we are no better than pigeons and we should just go ahead and continue to poop in our own nest?
If you read my other posts in this thread, you will see that I already agree with you on this and have stated it very clearly.

Specifically…see post #13
 
If you read my other posts in this thread, you will see that I already agree with you on this and have stated it very clearly.

Specifically…see post #13
Cool.👍

I guess I didn’t get that from your previous post I responded to.:cool:
 
Monday, December 22, 2008
Holy Father’s Christmas Address to the Roman Curia
Poiché la fede nel Creatore è una parte essenziale del Credo cristiano, la Chiesa non può e non deve limitarsi a trasmettere ai suoi fedeli soltanto il messaggio della salvezza. Essa ha una responsabilità per il creato e deve far valere questa responsabilità anche in pubblico. E facendolo deve difendere non solo la terra, l’acqua e l’aria come doni della creazione appartenenti a tutti. Deve proteggere anche l’uomo contro la distruzione di se stesso. È necessario che ci sia qualcosa come una ecologia dell’uomo, intesa nel senso giusto. Non è una metafisica superata, se la Chiesa parla della natura dell’essere umano come uomo e donna e chiede che quest’ordine della creazione venga rispettato. Qui si tratta di fatto della fede nel Creatore e dell’ascolto del linguaggio della creazione, il cui disprezzo sarebbe un’autodistruzione dell’uomo e quindi una distruzione dell’opera stessa di Dio. Ciò che spesso viene espresso ed inteso con il termine “gender”, si risolve in definitiva nella autoemancipazione dell’uomo dal creato e dal Creatore. L’uomo vuole farsi da solo e disporre sempre ed esclusivamente da solo ciò che lo riguarda. Ma in questo modo vive contro la verità, vive contro lo Spirito creatore. Le foreste tropicali meritano, sì, la nostra protezione, ma non la merita meno l’uomo come creatura, nella quale è iscritto un messaggio che non significa contraddizione della nostra libertà, ma la sua condizione. Grandi teologi della Scolastica hanno qualificato il matrimonio, cioè il legame per tutta la vita tra uomo e donna, come sacramento della creazione, che lo stesso Creatore ha istituito e che Cristo – senza modificare il messaggio della creazione – ha poi accolto nella storia della salvezza come sacramento della nuova alleanza. Fa parte dell’annuncio che la Chiesa deve recare la testimonianza in favore dello Spirito creatore presente nella natura nel suo insieme e in special modo nella natura dell’uomo, creato ad immagine di Dio. Partendo da questa prospettiva occorrerebbe rileggere l’Enciclica Humanae vitae: l’intenzione di Papa Paolo VI era di difendere l’amore contro la sessualità come consumo, il futuro contro la pretesa esclusiva del presente e la natura dell’uomo contro la sua manipolazione.

Which means

As the faith in the Creator is an essential part of the Christian Creed, the Church can not and should not be confined to convey to his people only the message of salvation. It has a responsibility for creation and must rely on this responsibility even in public. And he must defend not only the land, water and air as gifts of creation belong to everyone. It must also protect humans against the destruction of himself.It is necessary that there is something like an ecology of man, understood in the right direction. It is not a metaphysical exceeded, if the Church speaks of the nature of man as man and woman, and calls for the creation of this order is respected. This is in fact of faith in the Creator, given the language of creation, which would be self-contempt and then destruction of the work of God . This is often expressed and understood by the term ‘gender’, is ultimately resolved in the creation of self-empowerment and the Creator. The man wants to be alone and have always and exclusively alone what he is concerned. But living in this way against the truth, lives against the Creator Spirit. Tropical forests deserve, yes, our protection, but no less worthy man as a creature, which is writing a message that does not contradict of our freedom, but his condition. Great theologians have qualified Scolastica marriage, that is the link for life for men and women, as the sacrament of creation, that the Creator has established and that Christ - without changing the message of creation - he received in the history of salvation as the sacrament of the new alliance. It belongs to the announcement that the Church must bear witness to the Creator Spirit in nature as a whole and especially in the nature of man, created in the image of God.Starting from this perspective should be re-read the encyclical Humanae Vitae: the intention of Pope Paul VI was the love of defending against sexuality as consumption, the future against the alleged exclusivity of the present and the nature of man against his handling.

I used a website to translate it because I don’t speak Italian.
Just in case anybody missed it.
 
Robert, I don’t really need to look at past events at all, I am not a scientist, neither are you unless I am mistaken. I already pointed out that most scientists believe Global warming is being caused by people. Hence, what I quoted from the United Nations. I think it is very arrogant of you to assume you know more then people who spend their lives studying and observing these things.
 
Robert, I don’t really need to look at past events at all, I am not a scientist, neither are you unless I am mistaken. I already pointed out that most scientists believe Global warming is being caused by people. Hence, what I quoted from the United Nations. I think it is very arrogant of you to assume you know more then people who spend their lives studying and observing these things.
I’ve listened to scientists “who spend their lives studying and observing these things” who are on both sides of the issue. I happen to side with the ones who disagree with the impact that mankind has had.

I think it is rather arrogant of you to assume you know more than me, since we are both non-scientists. 😉 😛

Besides, I am fairly “green.” I do believe in sensible conservation and limiting our impact on the environment. I’m just not convinced by the “global warming”…er…“climate change” hysteria.
 
There’s another reason why teh Church and other religions should take a leadership role in preenting climate change. Together, they own about 8% of the land in the world. In addition to the fact that religious leaders are listened to in a way that governmental leaders aren’t.
 
There’s another reason why teh Church and other religions should take a leadership role in preenting climate change. Together, they own about 8% of the land in the world. ** In addition to the fact that religious leaders are listened to in a way that governmental leaders aren’t.**
I’m not so sure about that. Did you see the election results? Are you sure you want the US Bishops on your side? 😉
 
Robert, I don’t really need to look at past events at all, I am not a scientist, neither are you unless I am mistaken. I already pointed out that most scientists believe Global warming is being caused by people. Hence, what I quoted from the United Nations. I think it is very arrogant of you to assume you know more then people who spend their lives studying and observing these things.
I’ve listened to scientists “who spend their lives studying and observing these things” who are on both sides of the issue. I happen to side with the ones who disagree with the impact that mankind has had.

I think it is rather arrogant of you to assume you know more than me, since we are both non-scientists. 😉 😛

Besides, I am fairly “green.” I do believe in sensible conservation and limiting our impact on the environment. I’m just not convinced by the “global warming”…er…“climate change” hysteria.
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Your not very good at spinning words Robert. I never once said I knew more than you. You have listened to scientists on both sides of the fence but the majority is on one side, and that is that Global warming is real and most likely caused by people.
 
Your not very good at spinning words Robert. I never once said I knew more than you. You have listened to scientists on both sides of the fence but the majority is on one side, and that is that Global warming is real and most likely caused by people.
I’m not particularly interested in spin. If spin is what you are after, please enjoy yourself.
 
Why argue?

It is simple: we are called to care for God’s creation. That includes ouselves, our environment and all other living things. It does not involve ‘earth worship’ or ‘paganism’ in any form. It does involve thoughtful and considered use of earth’s resources and an awareness of how precious our world and everything in it is.

Global warming or not, we have a responsibility to use finite resources as carefully as possible and a responsibility to find renewable sources of energy.

Mindless consumption for its own sake and a refusal to consider the impact of that consumption is an offense against God and His creation. Greed, gluttony, pride, call it what you like, its wrong.
 
I Agree, I just think the problem is that people think there is no problem and so they continue to waste and pollute and damage the planet. There are so many animals going extinct, trees being cut down and right now I am in Asia, the air is terrible. I can tell you that every morning I wake up, my lungs are filled with phlegm because of the bad air here due to pollution.
 
Why argue?

It is simple: we are called to care for God’s creation. That includes ouselves, our environment and all other living things. It does not involve ‘earth worship’ or ‘paganism’ in any form. It does involve thoughtful and considered use of earth’s resources and an awareness of how precious our world and everything in it is.

Global warming or not, we have a responsibility to use finite resources as carefully as possible and a responsibility to find renewable sources of energy.

Mindless consumption for its own sake and a refusal to consider the impact of that consumption is an offense against God and His creation. Greed, gluttony, pride, call it what you like, its wrong.
I agree and have said this a couple of times, but people who believe strongly in Global Warming feel the need to browbeat others who don’t…even if they agree on how we should treat the earth. Apparently, that is not enough. 😦
 
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