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Gorgias
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I get what you’re saying.
I think I’d respond that, from a Catholic sensibility, Mt 16:19 covers your most strident objections – “what you bind on earth, is bound in heaven.”
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I think I’d respond that, from a Catholic sensibility, Mt 16:19 covers your most strident objections – “what you bind on earth, is bound in heaven.”
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michaelhager
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As a fairly recent convert to Catholicism from Protestantism, I started studying the Bible as a Catholic, much more than I ever did as a Protestant. And I found that (surprise) almost every thing the Catholic Church teaches is of the Bible. So i embarked upon a study of Catholic teachings and the scripture related to such teachings and soon I found my self a developing, interested apologist.
At the bottom of my web site “TheBibleCatholic.com” is a section titled “Catholics Not Biblical?” It takes you word for word through an entire mass (in ordinary time) and lays out the basis for every word, phrase or sentence from scripture.
The study and creation of this web site firmly cemented my faith and belief in my new Church.
I have found that most protestants are more accepting of what I have to say when I can point out the basis in the book that they hold most dear.
At the bottom of my web site “TheBibleCatholic.com” is a section titled “Catholics Not Biblical?” It takes you word for word through an entire mass (in ordinary time) and lays out the basis for every word, phrase or sentence from scripture.
The study and creation of this web site firmly cemented my faith and belief in my new Church.
I have found that most protestants are more accepting of what I have to say when I can point out the basis in the book that they hold most dear.
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Dianna
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Awesome site! Thank you for posting it. For someone who is in the process of seeing how Biblical Catholicism is after thinking for years as a Protestant it wasn’t, this site is really helpful.
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michaelhager
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Yet there is one event, described in all the gospels where the trinity is specifically, physically present… And we often overlook it, it is so obvious… Matthew 3:13… Mark 1:9… and Luke 3:21…
At the baptism of Jesus, the Father speaks from Heaven, validates His Son and speaks of His pleasure as the Holy Spirit in the Form of a Dove descends upon the Christ.
It really can’t get much clearer than that!
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Pup7
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That doesn’t substantiate the Trinity. It says there is the baptism of the Son while the Father speaks and the Holy Spirit descends as a dove.
That just says there are three. It doesn’t say the three are one.
I’m not saying I don’t believe it, because I do. I did before I was Catholic and I believe it now. But it’s not in the Bible as we know it. It just isn’t.
That just says there are three. It doesn’t say the three are one.
I’m not saying I don’t believe it, because I do. I did before I was Catholic and I believe it now. But it’s not in the Bible as we know it. It just isn’t.
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Dlee
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Sorry Pup, but I think you’re splitting hairs here. Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is One. If we accept that Jesus is God, the the Holy Spirit is the comforter sent by Christ, seems to me “they” are implied as one. You can say it isn’t there all you want, but I see it and apparently, so did the Church. Guess we have to agree to disagree on whether or not it is in the Bible. Peace.
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JimG
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I am so grateful to the Catholic Church for collecting the books of the bible, deciding which of the writings were inspired and should be included, and preserving those books down through the ages, meticulously copying them by hand for centuries before printing was invented. I am grateful to those first century Catholics like Peter and Paul and Timothy and the gospel authors who wrote those New Testament writings that the Church preserved, and proclaimed during the Mass, and handed down through the centuries. Had the Catholic Church not written and selected and preserved the bible, we would all be unable to have these interesting discussions on CAF.
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Pup7
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Good grief.
I am being completely misinterpreted. There’s no hairsplitting. Everyone is making it sound as though I don’t believe it. Never said it and never implied it. The original response is so far upthread it’s insane. It is implied, the elements are there, but nowhere does it say “this is what the holy Trinity is”. LOL that was the original statement, and it was a valid reply to another comment. Even in the basic university religion course I can claim, it was taught that it’s not actually there, but implied - which was the original point.
I am being completely misinterpreted. There’s no hairsplitting. Everyone is making it sound as though I don’t believe it. Never said it and never implied it. The original response is so far upthread it’s insane. It is implied, the elements are there, but nowhere does it say “this is what the holy Trinity is”. LOL that was the original statement, and it was a valid reply to another comment. Even in the basic university religion course I can claim, it was taught that it’s not actually there, but implied - which was the original point.
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Gorgias
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But it does say “Father = Son” and “Spirit = Father”. As a math geek, I’m going to go with “by virtue of transitivity, that means that the three are one.”
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JanetF
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Could someone point to the passage of scripture that says that everything we need to know about what Jesus Christ taught is included in the bible?
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Uriel1
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The word “Trinity” is not in the Bible but the teaching certainly isadf417:
Some comments are just gold. This is one of them. Well put.
God love you and help you to discern what you read
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adf417
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While i agree the teaching of the Trinity is in the bible it is there only implicity which IMO is why millions upon millions of “bible believing christians” are following blindly non-Trinitarian sects such as the JWs. But don’t think this is new. It has been said the church in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th centuries was largely split on this issue.Pup7:
The word “Trinity” is not in the Bible but the teaching certainly isadf417:
Some comments are just gold. This is one of them. Well put.
God love you and help you to discern what you read
For us to say “i see the Trinity within the words of the bible” is not a fair statement. It would be like saying “i believe the book of 1 Maccabees is inspired because i read it and i can tell it is God’s words”. Can this happen, yes but it is certainly not the norm. We know these things because Holy Mother Church gave them to us and we THEN can see these things after she pointed them out to us.
Peace!!!
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Not at all implicit; rather it is explicit in Matthew 28:19.Uriel1:
While i agree the teaching of the Trinity is in the bible it is there only implicity which IMO is why millions upon millions of “bible believing christians” are following blindly non-Trinitarian sects such as the JWs. But don’t think this is new. It has been said the church in 2nd, 3rd, and 4th centuries was largely split on this issue.Pup7:
The word “Trinity” is not in the Bible but the teaching certainly isadf417:
Some comments are just gold. This is one of them. Well put.
God love you and help you to discern what you read
For us to say “i see the Trinity within the words of the bible” is not a fair statement. It would be like saying “i believe the book of 1 Maccabees is inspired because i read it and i can tell it is God’s words”. Can this happen, yes but it is certainly not the norm. We know these things because Holy Mother Church gave them to us and we THEN can see these things after she pointed them out to us.
Peace!!!
ref The Didache’s baptismal formula
The Didache was written probably around the year 73 A.D. Also known as the “Teaching of the Apostles,” the Didache is not inspired Scripture.
It is however an ancient document which elucidates what the early church did in the first century.
",.Concerning baptism, baptize ye thus; having first recited all these precepts, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in running water." (Didache 7:1).
The Didache teaches " in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit," precisely as Jesus had commanded the disciples so to do ( Matthew 28:19).
God love the old US of A
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adf417
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Thank God for mother church and what the early councils did because of this early church heresy. :+1:t3:
Peace!!!
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steve-b
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ENVY. The bible was written in, by for, the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church canonized 73 books in the yr 382 at the Council of Rome, and Pope Damasus I.
That canon, hasn’t changed since.
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Luther in 1534 in his bible, reclassified 7 canonical books to non canon as in non scripture status. Thereby removing 7 canonical books from the bible. If he had his complete way, and didn’t get push back from his own people, he would have done the same to 4 NT books as well. James, Jude, Hebrews, and Revelation would have been on the cutting room floor as well.
Maybe those folks you’re talking to, know or maybe they don’t know this part of THEIR history. Their protestant bibles are scripture “lite” because of Luther.
They have 66 books instead of 73 books in their bibles.
Catholics gave the world the bible, and Protestants violated it. They have no business lecturing Catholics on love of the bible.
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