Catholics Have Filled The Internet With Venom And Vitriol, Says Vatican Media Advisor

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LaetenturCaeli said:
Agreed, but Father’s comments were, IMO, a wonderful analysis of Catholics who do more to scandalize others than they do to win souls for Christ.
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Aren’t you doing the same thing with this post? You’re judging people you don’t know in a harsh way.🤷
 
1Lord1Faith said:
I provided a link to the speech. He does not say, “Often times the obsessed, scrupulous, self-appointed, nostalgia-hankering virtual guardians of faith or of liturgical practices are very disturbed, broken and angry individuals, who never found a platform or pulpit in real life and so resort to the Internet and become trolling pontiffs and holy executioners! In reality they are deeply troubled, sad and angry people.” If you know he does, point out where in the speech he does.

I don’t think you’ll convince me the headline was not misleading. The Catholic Herald seemingly has an axe to grind with Father Rosica
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Here’s a link to the text:
saltandlighttv.org/blog/fr-thomas-rosica/fr-rosica-receives-distinguished-communicator-award-from-brooklyns-desales-media-group

The quoted remark comes from the section titled “the digital world and the Catholic blogosphere.”

Dan
 
1Lord1Faith said:
I provided a link to the speech. He does not say, “Often times the obsessed, scrupulous, self-appointed, nostalgia-hankering virtual guardians of faith or of liturgical practices are very disturbed, broken and angry individuals, who never found a platform or pulpit in real life and so resort to the Internet and become trolling pontiffs and holy executioners! In reality they are deeply troubled, sad and angry people.” If you know he does, point out where in the speech he does.

I don’t think you’ll convince me the headline was not misleading. The Catholic Herald seemingly has an axe to grind with Father Rosica
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dans0622 said:
Here’s a link to the text:
saltandlighttv.org/blog/fr-thomas-rosica/fr-rosica-receives-distinguished-communicator-award-from-brooklyns-desales-media-group

The quoted remark comes from the section titled “the digital world and the Catholic blogosphere.”

Dan
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The disconnect is that the speech as provided is not exactly what he said while on stage. At time mark 22:30 he starts to talk about the corpses strewn about, but rather than the written speech that says"Often times the obsessed, scrupulous, self-appointed, nostalgia-hankering virtual guardians of faith or of liturgical practices are very disturbed, broken and angry individuals, who never found a platform or pulpit in real life and so resort to the Internet and become trolling pontiffs and holy executioners! In reality they are deeply troubled, sad and angry people. We must pray for them, for their healing and conversion"
Fr. Rosica goes “off script” and talks about those who were upset with Pope Benedict when he promulgated “Deus caritas est” because he was not the hammer they wanted. At 23:14 he is back on script with the written speech he provided.

So the disconnect is that he might not have said the above, but rather that it was part of his prepared speech. So even though he might not have said it in this instance from the stage it does appear that he did put those exact thoughts to paper.
 
ARSpade said:
He is literally the CEO of a media company.
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Salt + Light is in good standing with the Vatican, and the American and Canadian Bishop Conferences. They seem like an exception. I like EWTN as well.
 
Usige said:
The disconnect is that the speech as provided is not exactly what he said while on stage. At time mark 22:30 he starts to talk about the corpses strewn about, but rather than the written speech that says"Often times the obsessed, scrupulous, self-appointed, nostalgia-hankering virtual guardians of faith or of liturgical practices are very disturbed, broken and angry individuals, who never found a platform or pulpit in real life and so resort to the Internet and become trolling pontiffs and holy executioners! In reality they are deeply troubled, sad and angry people. We must pray for them, for their healing and conversion"
Fr. Rosica goes “off script” and talks about those who were upset with Pope Benedict when he promulgated “Deus caritas est” because he was not the hammer they wanted. At 23:14 he is back on script with the written speech he provided.

So the disconnect is that he might not have said the above, but rather that it was part of his prepared speech. So even though he might not have said it in this instance from the stage it does appear that he did put those exact thoughts to paper.
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He did well to exclude it from his address.

The following part of the Catholic Herald story is false. It was never said in the address.
*Fr Rosica described internet bloggers and commentators as “obsessed, scrupulous, self-appointed, nostalgia-hankering virtual guardians of faith or of liturgical practices”.

He urged Catholics to pray for such people, “who never found a platform or pulpit in real life and so resort to the Internet and become trolling pontiffs and holy executioners.”*
 
RPRPsych said:
Well, this is hardly an unbiased source, so take it with a grain of salt.

But, having said that, the man has a point. Unfortunately, he fails to realize that the problem is on both sides of the spectrum. For every “One Peter Five” or “Roman Catholic Imperialist”, there is at least one (and often several) “National Catholic Reporter” or “Catholics for Abortion”. Balance is essential in discussing these things. Simply attacking those attached to liturgical Tradition is a blinkered view. 😦
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Let’s keep it honest here - there is a difference between being attached to liturgical Tradition, and attacking anything else. And there is ample evidence of the latter in plenty of websites.

He may be biased - I don’t follow him nor have I seen anything from him - but bias does not mean that he speaks no truth.
 
1Lord1Faith said:
He did well to exclude it from his address.

The following part of the Catholic Herald story is false. It was never said in the address.
*Fr Rosica described internet bloggers and commentators as “obsessed, scrupulous, self-appointed, nostalgia-hankering virtual guardians of faith or of liturgical practices”.

He urged Catholics to pray for such people, “who never found a platform or pulpit in real life and so resort to the Internet and become trolling pontiffs and holy executioners.”*
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While it is true he did not say it, on stage, it was in his written speech as provided to Salt and Light. In cases where the text of the speech is provided before hand, it is common to use the provided text rather than transcribing it. Because of that it is not so much dishonest to report it as being sloppy to not check the written speech against what he said from the podium.

What he chose to say was not as harsh as his prepared remarks, but it does not change the fact that he did pen exactly those sentiments. I don’t think he would have sent the prepared text if he did not support his own written word.
 
Good grief. For Father Rosica to say this is like the pot calling the kettle black. :rolleyes:

The very people who accuse faithful Catholics of being ‘vitriolic, judgmental’ are more guilty of these labels.
 
I find the terrorist, weapons of mass destruction comparison equally incindiary. Not a very good way to produce and promote fruitful dialogue.

Dan
 
otjm said:
Let’s keep it honest here - there is a difference between being attached to liturgical Tradition, and attacking anything else. And there is ample evidence of the latter in plenty of websites.

He may be biased - I don’t follow him nor have I seen anything from him - but bias does not mean that he speaks no truth.
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I agree with you! 😉

However, I think his words would have carried more weight if they had left the touchy “liturgical” sacred cow alone, and focused on other, indefensible acts such as accusing the Pope of heresy, permitting racist commentary unmoderated, and indulging in idle and dangerous “Fatima Rapture” speculation. On these, there can be no push-back from those who will say “but we just love the EF! Rosica is a troll!” 😦
 
RPRPsych said:
I agree with you! 😉

However, I think his words would have carried more weight if they had left the touchy “liturgical” sacred cow alone, and focused on other, indefensible acts such as accusing the Pope of heresy, permitting racist commentary unmoderated, and indulging in idle and dangerous “Fatima Rapture” speculation. On these, there can be no push-back from those who will say “but we just love the EF! Rosica is a troll!” 😦
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I agree.
 
zab said:
It’s true, some bloggers are exactly as he says.
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Yes, I suppose so. However, Father doesn’t say how they should be instead. I mean, is there a nice way to tell Protestants that they are being led by the Devil?
 
Peter_J said:
Yes, I suppose so. However, Father doesn’t say how they should be instead. I mean, is there a nice way to tell Protestants that they are being led by the Devil?
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I have met many who are being led by Christ.
 
otjm said:
I have met many who are being led by Christ.
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Interesting … maybe I shouldn’t believe everything I read on internet discussion forums after all. 😊

😉

But anyhow, w.r.t. the original article, I don’t think Catholics are terribly bad in that regard. The big problem, IMO, is that so many people make the assumption that just because a Catholic on the internet said Blank, that means that the other 1 billion Catholics also say Blank.
 
Well said by Father Rosica. It is all too easy to come across as an opinionated jerk when we are typing away on the internet, without thinking about whether we are really loving the people we are addressing. I fall into this all the time.

O Mary conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.
 
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