Catholics in US overwhelmingly support homosexual unions [CWN]

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1234 said:
Not everyone in the state regards homosexuality as intrinsically disordered.
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That might work if we inhabited a theocracy, but we don’t. We are plural religious cultures inhabiting a secular state.
 
1234 said:
Not everyone in the state regards homosexuality as intrinsically disordered.
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That really doesn’t matter, does it? Not everyone believes in God, but does that change the Truth of His existence? That homosexuality is intrinsically disordered is not merely my opinion, but is part of the deposit of Faith. It is revealed Truth. Whether or not someone agrees or disagrees does not change it.
 
Andrew1983 said:
Okay, this is something that’s bugging me. We have people here who are saying that a person’s Catholicism cannot be taken away from them if they actively disagree and promote a position that runs contrary to the Teachings of the Church.
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If you disagree with the Church on civil issues, then your faith can’t be taken away because the Church isn’t infallible there.

If you disagree on doctrinal and dogmatic issues with full knowledge of doing so, then you are not Catholic because the Church is infallible on issues of faith.
By that logic, you may as well as argue that Marcion was Catholic despite promoting Gnosticism which is outright incompatible with our faith. St. Polycarp had no problem in addressing that heretic in less than warm terms. Arius promoted that Christ was of a different substance than the Father, thus promoting Tritheism (whether he came to understand his error is another thing entirely).
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That’s different than what’s being talked about in this thread. They promoted heresies. We’re (at least I do) talking about how we disagree with the Church on its stance on gay civil unions. That’s not heresy because it has nothing to do with doctrine.
 
StTommyMore said:
In Irael, divorce was allowed for as a concession. The real question we must ask is this: “Is divorce and remarriage in opposition to the natural law”?
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I don’t see that this answers the question. You are arguing against civil unions for gays on the grounds that society should not endorse disordered sexuality. I simply want to know if you also, then, are against our civil protections (guarantees of) for divorce. I find it hard to understand how one can be against the one on grounds of disordered sexuality and not the other.
 
larkin31 said:
I don’t see that this answers the question. You are arguing against civil unions for gays on the grounds that society should not endorse disordered sexuality. I simply want to know if you also, then, are against our civil protections (guarantees of) for divorce. I find it hard to understand how one can be against the one on grounds of disordered sexuality and not the other.
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I woul fully support legislation banning remarriage.
 
StTommyMore said:
I woul fully support legislation banning remarriage.
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I would fully support the government getting out of the marriage business altogether. “Marriage” should be treated just like any other civil contract. Then there could be no way that the “State” could force any religious organization to perform marriages on groups that violate its moral/religious tenets.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I would fully support the government getting out of the marriage business altogether. “Marriage” should be treated just like any other civil contract. Then there could be no way that the “State” could force any religious organization to perform marriages on groups that violate its moral/religious tenets.
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I agree.
 
Andrew1983 said:
Okay, this is something that’s bugging me. We have people here who are saying that a person’s Catholicism cannot be taken away from them if they actively disagree and promote a position that runs contrary to the Teachings of the Church.

By that logic, you may as well as argue that Marcion was Catholic despite promoting Gnosticism which is outright incompatible with our faith. St. Polycarp had no problem in addressing that heretic in less than warm terms. Arius promoted that Christ was of a different substance than the Father, thus promoting Tritheism (whether he came to understand his error is another thing entirely).
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Many people who either have abandoned the faith or were never members of it tobegin with (you see it often in CAF) list themselves as Catholics as they believe it gives them more credibility when they criticize the church. I judge people by their actions-not what they choose to call themselves.

As a side note I refuse to respond to people who claim to be Catholic but are obviously not.
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I would fully support the government getting out of the marriage business altogether. “Marriage” should be treated just like any other civil contract. Then there could be no way that the “State” could force any religious organization to perform marriages on groups that violate its moral/religious tenets.
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Good point Scott. The secular state is not in a position to bless anything; if this were a theocracy – like Calvin’s short-lived Genevan experiment – it might be different.
The state is only in a position to regulate contracts. Children in LGBT families deserve the same protections as children in heterosexual families.
 
estesbob said:
Therein lies the problem. A culture of that increasingly looks upon marriage as nothing more than an affirmation of how one engages in sex.
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Do not blame the culture. A small group, which calls itself a minority, has convinced a handful of “powerful” people to support what they want. It took 40 years of porn, abortion, artificial birth control, no-fault divorce and other evils being marketed to the people to put us, meaning Catholics, at risk for thinking sex is only about pleasure and meaningless. Television shows feature attractive men and women who simply have ‘just sex.’

So the media, which used to give us functional examples of living, have embraced the evils that were promoted in the late 1960s and early 1970s. All you have to do is reject it. The voters in California voted down gay marriage twice. The people are against it. Politicians are smaller, easier targets.

God bless,
Ed
 
MarianD said:
Where are you getting this “blame everyone but the woman” thing from? I said blame the people who forced her to get an abortion.

Clearly, you’ve never been around, talked to, heard about, etc. a woman who actually has had an abortion. Had you, then you’d know that rarely does a woman want to get an abortion. She feels she’s trapped in a corner with nowhere else to go, and she feels horrible about it afterwards. So why should she be punished instead of the one who killed the baby (the doctor) and the ones who forced her to kill the baby?

That makes as much sense as punishing a woman who is forced to choose one of her children to be sent to the gas chambers. Why punish her, when she was backed into a corner and put a child up for death because she was absolutely forced to? Why not punish the child’s killer and those who forced her to put the child up for death instead?
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HOLY GOD! i will have to explaine my batchlar life more fully. you said “I haven’t been around” i’M 78 years young, traveled to 18 Countries,sailed 4 of the 7 Seas, traverled to 34 States of this Great Country,Dated over 200 fine women , of which , I Loved dearly ! Now let me tell you about abortion??Prostitutes,whores, adulterers, girls seeking stardom,movie stars,bar girls,and ignorant women constitute the balk of abortions (95%) in America. They Must get abortions,so they could continue to ply their trade. maybe 4or 5% get abortions for Medical reasons. I gave advice to those getting abortions, put the baby up for adoption?They Can’t? Carrying the baby,raising the child ,would hurt their trade or lifestyle, moneywise,and physically. These are Facts,not fiction.
 
jackangelo1 said:
HOLY GOD! i will have to explaine my batchlar life more fully. you said “I haven’t been around” i’M 78 years young, traveled to 18 Countries,sailed 4 of the 7 Seas, traverled to 34 States of this Great Country,Dated over 200 fine women , of which , I Loved dearly ! Now let me tell you about abortion??Prostitutes,whores, adulterers, girls seeking stardom,movie stars,bar girls,and ignorant women constitute the balk of abortions (95%) in America. They Must get abortions,so they could continue to ply their trade. maybe 4or 5% get abortions for Medical reasons. I gave advice to those getting abortions, put the baby up for adoption?They Can’t? Carrying the baby,raising the child ,would hurt their trade or lifestyle, moneywise,and physically. These are Facts,not fiction.
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What about women duped by boyfriends? What about girls who are pressured into it by employers, parents, husbands, etc? (That is more than 60% BTW). Most abortions are by women who think they are trapped and there is no other way out.
 
StTommyMore said:
What about women duped by boyfriends? What about girls who are pressured into it by employers, parents, husbands, etc? (That is more than 60% BTW). Most abortions are by women who think they are trapped and there is no other way out.
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It is a baby, not a terminal illness or a prison sentence.
 
StTommyMore said:
That really doesn’t matter, does it? Not everyone believes in God, but does that change the Truth of His existence? That homosexuality is intrinsically disordered is not merely my opinion, but is part of the deposit of Faith. It is revealed Truth. Whether or not someone agrees or disagrees does not change it.
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You are speaking of matters related to faith, and if one does not accept God as a matter of faith, your argument doesn’t work. Revealed truth has no meaning whatever to a Buddhist or agnostic. It may be our “revealed truth,” but no one else’s.
 
StTommyMore said:
What about women duped by boyfriends? What about girls who are pressured into it by employers, parents, husbands, etc? (That is more than 60% BTW). Most abortions are by women who think they are trapped and there is no other way out.
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75% of all statistics are just made up.
 
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