Catholics in US overwhelmingly support homosexual unions [CWN]

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Rich_Olszewski said:
You are speaking of matters related to faith, and if one does not accept God as a matter of faith, your argument doesn’t work. Revealed truth has no meaning whatever to a Buddhist or agnostic. It may be our “revealed truth,” but no one else’s.
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Revealed truth is revealed truth. It is objective, not subjective.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
You are speaking of matters related to faith, and if one does not accept God as a matter of faith, your argument doesn’t work. Revealed truth has no meaning whatever to a Buddhist or agnostic. It may be our “revealed truth,” but no one else’s.
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The thing is, this article is about Catholics supporting homosexual unions. In our pluralistic society, Catholics ought to vote Catholic…not Buddhist or agnostic.
 
StTommyMore said:
Revealed truth is revealed truth. It is objective, not subjective.
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It is revealed truth to those who are believers, who accept it as revealed truth. Even the acceptance of God as the source of revealed truth is a matter of faith.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
Agree as to the first two, but, after five children, I’m not so sure about that last. 18 years of a Half-Way House maybe? 😉
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I can’t say I disagree. I have two teenage girls and I am about one foot in the nuthouse.
 
rlg94086 said:
The thing is, this article is about Catholics supporting homosexual unions. In our pluralistic society, Catholics ought to vote Catholic…not Buddhist or agnostic.
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Perhaps Catholics support homosexual unions because many Catholics have come to know LGBT people as human beings with their own hopes and dreams, needs and desires. In the various parishes to which my family has belonged, numerous gay and lesbian couples have been members, serving as chorister, acolytes, parish council representatives, etc. We find them to be like us in every way except their sexual orientation. When we come to know people we tend to be less fearful of the differences between them and us.

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StAnastasia said:
Perhaps Catholics support homosexual unions because many Catholics have come to know LGBT people as human beings with their own hopes and dreams, needs and desires. In the various parishes to which my family has belonged, numerous gay and lesbian couples have been members, serving as chorister, acolytes, parish council representatives, etc. We find them to be like us in every way except their sexual orientation. When we come to know people we tend to be less fearful of the differences between them and us.

StAnastasia
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I’ve known and do know Lesbians and Gays. Their humanity does not diminish the call for Catholics to oppose homosexual unions, it strengthens it. It isn’t out of fear, rather it is love. Condoning a disordered, sinful act by celebrating their relationships is not a loving thing to do. You might as well encourage and celebrate adulterous affairs and masturbation. 🤷
 
StTommyMore said:
What about women duped by boyfriends? What about girls who are pressured into it by employers, parents, husbands, etc? (That is more than 60% BTW). Most abortions are by women who think they are trapped and there is no other way out.
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How do you know this? Please folks, we are on the information something or other:

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Try google. It will get you something in under .5 seconds.

God bless,
Ed
 
rlg94086 said:
I’ve known and do know Lesbians and Gays. Their humanity does not diminish the call for Catholics to oppose homosexual unions, it strengthens it. It isn’t out of fear, rather it is love. Condoning a disordered, sinful act by celebrating their relationships is not a loving thing to do. You might as well encourage and celebrate adulterous affairs and masturbation. 🤷
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No, adultery is different, in that it involves deception and the break of trust. I’m talking about our gay and lesbian friends in lifelong relationships of fidelity, including the ones with children who are in our sons’ classes at our parish school. They are almost universally welcomed and accepted. At least, I don’t know of any parents who have condemned them, whatever they may believe privately. And, for the record, I am strongly opposed to gay “marriage.”

StAnastasia
 
Scott_Lafrance said:
I can’t say I disagree. I have two teenage girls and I am about one foot in the nuthouse.
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I had two myself, fortunately now both are grown up. I believe that that teenage daughters is God’s punishment upon us for being teenage boys.
 
StAnastasia said:
No, adultery is different, in that it involves deception and the break of trust. I’m talking about our gay and lesbian friends in lifelong relationships of fidelity, including the ones with children who are in our sons’ classes at our parish school. They are almost universally welcomed and accepted. At least, I don’t know of any parents who have condemned them, whatever they may believe privately. And, for the record, I am strongly opposed to gay “marriage.”

StAnastasia
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They still put their immortal souls in danger, even when they they have children in your son’s classes. A lifelong intrinsically disordered relationship is still intrinsically disordered.

“For the record,” do you also oppose civil unions, as the Church teaches? Or, have you added that to the list of Church teaching that you avoid in your cafeteria?
 
rlg94086 said:
They still put their immortal souls in danger, even when they they have children in your son’s classes. A lifelong intrinsically disordered relationship is still intrinsically disordered.

I leave that up to God. Tea Party membership may put one’s “immortal soul” in danger, but I’ll let God decide that.
“For the record,” do you also oppose civil unions, as the Church teaches?
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StAnastasia said:
I leave that up to God. Tea Party membership may put one’s “immortal soul” in danger, but I’ll let God decide that.

I’m in favor of the state granting civil unions. I believe one reason gay and lesbian couples continue to push for marriage status is that they are denied truly equal protections for themselves and the children they are raising. When LGBT people are accorded equal protection for their families, I will continue to oppose gay “marriage,” although I’m troubled as to why infertile heterosexual couples should be accorded that privileged status.
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In other words, you choose to disobey Church teaching on this issue. Having read your posts, it’s not the only issue. I pray for your conversion.
 
rlg94086 said:
In other words, you choose to disobey Church teaching on this issue. Having read your posts, it’s not the only issue. I pray for your conversion.
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Yes – I and my family and our parish and our priests, and people in many other parishes in the diocese. In fact, I would say its very rare to find someone here who is overtly hostile to LGBT people, even though privately they may be so.
 
StAnastasia said:
Yes – I and my family and our parish and our priests, and people in many other parishes in the diocese. In fact, I would say its very rare to find someone here who is overtly hostile to LGBT people, even though privately they may be so.
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I don’t know anyone hostile either, but they don’t ignore the truth out of misplaced compassion. I will add your family, parish and priests to my prayers. I hope they convert their hearts, turn from their heterodoxy and more fully embrace the Church.
 
Rich_Olszewski said:
You are speaking of matters related to faith, and if one does not accept God as a matter of faith, your argument doesn’t work. Revealed truth has no meaning whatever to a Buddhist or agnostic. It may be our “revealed truth,” but no one else’s.
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The Church does not agree with you, Rich, because her mission is to be a beacon of light and truth to the world including those unbelievers. Whether or not they accept the message is irrelevant to the mandate, “Go ye therefore and baptize all nations…” The Church with full authority must speak out against homosexual unions, which is a moral issue. See Post #59.
 
rlg94086 said:
I don’t know anyone hostile either, but they don’t ignore the truth out of misplaced compassion. I will add your family, parish and priests to my prayers. I hope they convert their hearts, turn from their heterodoxy and more fully embrace the Church.
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Thank you. You might add the Carmelites, the Dominicans, the Franciscans, and the Jesuits as well, at least the ones with whom I interact.
 
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