Catholics, is this a self-fulfilling prophecy?

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I was just thinking about how so often I’ll see a Protestant poster preface a response with something like "What you just said is what all good Catholics should say, … "

Now it should go without saying that how appropriate (or inappropriate) that is depends on *what *they are responding to; but I would just like to ask: Can something like that become a self-fulfilling prophecy?

In particular, I’m wondering if any of the Catholics here have ever seen a comment like that and thought “I didn’t know that was what all good Catholics should say, but I guess it is then.” ?
 
Peter_J said:
I was just thinking about how so often I’ll see a Protestant poster preface a response with something like "What you just said is what all good Catholics should say, … "

Now it should go without saying that how appropriate (or inappropriate) that is depends on *what *they are responding to; but I would just like to ask: Can something like that become a self-fulfilling prophecy?

In particular, I’m wondering if any of the Catholics here have ever seen a comment like that and thought “I didn’t know that was what all good Catholics should say, but I guess it is then.” ?
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Not sure what a “self-fulfilling prophecy” really means. It seems ‘prophecy’ deals with the future. Yet the Protestant comment seems to deal with the past. A good Catholic would defend the Faith and its application to a particular circumstance, real or a what if hypothetical.

I read into the Protestant comment that he or she may be dismissing the Catholic response as “Well, that’s your party line, not mine, and I will not consider it further.” And perhaps, “Well, you are just giving the party line you do not really understand because if you did, you would agree with the Protestant view.”

Perhaps not a self-fulfilling prophecy, but rather, I am not changing my mind.

And I must add, in such conversations I encounter, the Protestant avoids saying just why the Catholic party line is wrong. Had a Protestant recently berate the Hail Mary Prayer and totally ignored giving her analysis Luke Chapter 1, v26-56.
 
How would a protestant know what a good Catholic should say, anyway?
 
I thought that was protestant speak for “you catholics are so wrong…”
 
Crusaderbear said:
I thought that was protestant speak for “you catholics are so wrong…”
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Honestly, you’re probably right. The few times I’ve used that statement or ones like it, it was on a point I completely disagree with the Catholic position on. Though to be fair I’m also using it applauding the Catholic I was discussing with for holding the party line. So many Catholics I know don’t, either through ignorance or disobedience. The latter of which isn’t really compatible with the Catholic faith (you don’t get to pick and choose so to speak).
 
MichaelP3 said:
Well…

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

I’m Protestant and it took me about 7 seconds to find 2865 things a good Catholic should say 😊

(Hint. We do have internet)
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And yet, almost all Protestants seem blissfully unaware about what Catholics actually teach on any number of subjects… 🤷

(Snarkiness not directed at you… just the repeated misrepresentation of Catholic teachings present in many Protestant circles.)
 
MichaelP3 said:
Well…

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/_INDEX.HTM

I’m Protestant and it took me about 7 seconds to find 2865 things a good Catholic should say 😊
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Just so you know, about 25 years ago, Catholics worldwide were polled on whether or not to give non-Catholics internet access. We figured it would be the best way to keep your names in the super computer database that is under the Vatican, so that’s why you have access. That and cat videos, because who doesn’t appreciate a good cat video, right?
 
ProdglArchitect said:
And yet, almost all Protestants seem blissfully unaware about what Catholics actually teach on any number of subjects… 🤷

(Snarkiness not directed at you… just the repeated misrepresentation of Catholic teachings present in many Protestant circles.)
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And vice versa which I as first one ,then the other many maybe next the other, have found. Pot, kettle , black…
 
ProdglArchitect said:
And yet, almost all Protestants seem blissfully unaware about what Catholics actually teach on any number of subjects… 🤷

(Snarkiness not directed at you… just the repeated misrepresentation of Catholic teachings present in many Protestant circles.)
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To be fair, most protestants are blissfully unaware of what protestants actually believe, too. It doesn’t help that there are about 30,000 different varieties of protestant, each with its own doctrine in various states of articulation and rigidity. You add in the my-interpretation-of-sola-scriptura and continual personal revelation aspects, and it’s impossible for ANYONE to know what protestants actually believe.

Non mainline Protestantism is the Occupy Wallstreet of religion. Most of them have no clue why they’re there, but they feel strongly about it and want to yell and demand you listen.

In qualification, I’ll admit that I used to be protestant, I’ve been several denominations of mainline and non mainline, evangelical, full gospel, non-denominational, and Pentecostal. I know of which I speak.
 
Rosebud77 said:
And vice versa which I as first one ,then the other many maybe next the other, have found. Pot, kettle , black…
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… Could you try again? I honestly don’t follow you here… no offense intended.
 
Brassring said:
To be fair, most protestants are blissfully unaware of what protestants actually believe, too. It doesn’t help that there are about 30,000 different varieties of protestant, each with its own doctrine in various states of articulation and rigidity. You add in the my-interpretation-of-sola-scriptura and continual personal revelation aspects, and it’s impossible for ANYONE to know what protestants actually believe.

Non mainline Protestantism is the Occupy Wallstreet of religion. Most of them have no clue why they’re there, but they feel strongly about it and want to yell and demand you listen.

In qualification, I’ll admit that I used to be protestant, I’ve been several denominations of mainline and non mainline, evangelical, full gospel, non-denominational, and Pentecostal. I know of which I speak.
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See… this is actually what makes the ignorance even more baffling. The Catholic has an excuse. I could know one particular group’s beliefs inside and out, but then I come across another Protestant group and couldn’t tell you the first thing about their beliefs apart from “Jesus.”

However, any Protestant, in doing even the most cursory study of Catholicism, has a single place they can go to to learn about not just the “what” of Catholic belief, but also the “why.”
 
Brassring said:
Good. Read them. Then read them again. And again. Read them until you decide to convert. You won’t regret it.
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I’m not sure if you have ever read any of my posts but I mentioned many times I have studied the Catechism. I got a copy from my local parish (Thought it would be unethical to print it out at work) and I truly have studied it in various ways. It would embarrass any of my University textbooks with the amount of notes in there. On the Catechism (A wonderful document where I found a lot more good then bad) well… I’ve been there, done that and got the stretchmarks.On the hope of getting me to convert, well I’m not sure how that corresponds with the rules on here but I’ll let it slide.

But yea, back to the question, A Protestant can know what a good Catholic should say. It is clearly in there.

Regards
 
ProdglArchitect said:
And yet, almost all Protestants seem blissfully unaware about what Catholics actually teach on any number of subjects… 🤷

(Snarkiness not directed at you… just the repeated misrepresentation of Catholic teachings present in many Protestant circles.)
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True maybe… I know many Protestants who are as you claim. Just yesterday I defended confession to a co-worker. Not that I agree with it, but he didn’t understand the Catholic understanding regarding it. I’m all for someone disagreeing, they should just know what they disagree to.

Like a Catholic poster I really respect on here said. You get the exception and the rule. On both sides. And I would add, one shouldn’t assume which is which.
 
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